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The Culture At Miami Is Broken

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RightSaidFred said:
Could be that. Or....maybe Miami did want to be good at football at one point in time. They hired Lou Saban, who was an NFL head coach. Then they hired Howard, who was Bear Bryant’s OC, right before being Don Shula’s OC for the only undefeated team in NFL history.

It was after the antics of the Johnson era that UM decided to de-emphasize football. Nobody else took us down. We took ourselves down.

None of the people who were around in the Saban/Howard days are around today. Not in the athletic department, and not on the BOT.
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They wanted a team that would not be a laughing stock. They screwed Howard over immediately after winning the title. Given the fact that he was a major hire and did exactly what he promised, that was not good sign. But it was the team JJ created they hated. Thing is that wasn’t the antics. That was the excuse.

It was that the institution had nothing to do with the success. The players, more than any school in history, did it mostly on thier own. JJ was good coach and his staff was too but he was still learning. Politics was involved in this. Those kids pulling that off with so little help scared a lot of people about losing certain political advantages. Combined that with all the institutions we completely ****ed off and boom. But your base position is sound. It was an inside job.
 
You can find hundreds of derogatory statements about (past) UM culture on the net; even showing up yesterday at https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant...l---cheeseheads-vs-convicts/81034426/page-10/

Shalala and BOT and others clearly set out to do a wholesale image-change, and while it's not clear they have totally succeeded, they have destroyed the competitive caliber of the program for sure in their efforts.

I never liked the nastiness of banners and funding and attendance protests, but now agree that unless something like that becomes the rule rather than the exception, this "nice guys finish last and we like nice guys" mindset won't go away.
 
Maybe this is a curse for not hiring Barry Alvarez. We achieved immediate success with the hire of Larry Coker but long term that decision seems to have come back to haunt Miami. 🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️
 
It should be common knowledge that the brief periods of dominance that were built by Schnell and JJ in the 80s, and by Butch in the late 90s and early 00s, had nothing to do with any institutional competence or commitment to create them.

What was Miami football before 1980? A bit player, an afterthought in big time college football. And since the early 2000s, what has Miami been? Not much better than it was before, except for the added pain of broken hopes that somehow Miami will return to its former dominant days.

What many don't seem to realize is that Miami got lucky. In its moribund moment, with a stroke of good fortune, Miami landed Schnellenberger, a SB winner and 3-time NC winner as OC, under two of the best pro (Shula) and college (Bear Bryant) coaches ever.

Without being convinced to take the job by his wife and then Executive VP of UM, Dr John Green, many Canes fans would not be fans today. Miami got a big time football coach that the administration did nothing to deserve. In fact, just prior to his hiring, the BOT held a meeting to decide whether to drop the program to 1-AA or to eliminate it altogether. Green convinced them not to and proceeded to hire him.

There's no need to go into a detailed history of the reigns of dominance that would follow. It's only necessary to point out that everything good about the Miami football brand was created by three people: Scnellenberger, JJ, and Butch. All were hires that the administration did nothing to support or bring about. And as astutely noted by Gatorhater above, not only did they have nothing to do with bringing in the coaches that made the program what it was, they tried to, and succeeded, in undermining and disfavoring the type of coach and player that made it all possible.

And today we find ourselves in a time where it is almost impossible to luck into elite up-and-coming coaches. There's no hidden gems that the big money programs don't know about, in addition to the well-known fact that big money (overt and covert) has never mattered more to building a championship program.

There was no institutional reason Miami should have ever succeeded, and that truth is even more relevant now. It would take a colossal miracle, things being as they are, for Miami to ever be a respectable upper tier program again, let alone the national power it once was.

P.S. In focusing primarily on the coaches, I failed to mention, as mdpcane correctly noted, the importance of Sam Jankovich, the AD who identified and hired JJ and along with him, Butch, who recruited the players that were the foundation of 4 more NCs.
 
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Seeker said:
It should be common knowledge that the brief periods of dominance that were built by Schnell and JJ in the 80s, and by Butch in the late 90s and early 00s, had nothing to do with any institutional competence or commitment to create them.

What was Miami football before 1980? A bit player, an afterthought in big time college football. And since the early 2000s, what has Miami been? Not much better than it was before, except for the added pain of broken hopes that somehow Miami will return to its former dominant days.

What many don't seem to realize is that Miami got lucky. In its moribund moment, with a stroke of good fortune, Miami landed Schnellenberger, a SB winner and 3-time NC winner as OC, under two of the best pro (Shula) and college (Bear Bryant) coaches ever.

Without being convinced to take the job by his wife and then Executive VP of UM, Dr John Green, many Canes fans would not be fans today. Miami got a big time football coach that the administration did nothing to deserve. In fact, just prior to his hiring, the BOT held a meeting to decide whether to drop the program to 1-AA or to eliminate it altogether. Green convinced them not to and proceeded to hire him.

There's no need to go into a detailed history of the reigns of dominance that would follow. It's only necessary to point out that everything good about the Miami football brand was created by three people: Scnellenberger, JJ, and Butch. All were hires that the administration did nothing to support or bring about. And as astutely noted by Gatorhater above, not only did they have nothing to do with bringing in the coaches that made the program what it was, they tried to, and succeeded, in undermining and disfavoring the type of coach and player that made it all possible.

And today we find ourselves in a time where it is almost impossible to luck into elite up-and-coming coaches. There's no hidden gems that the big money programs don't know about, in addition to the well-known fact that big money (overt and covert) has never mattered more to building a championship program.

There was no institutional reason Miami should have ever succeeded, and that truth is even more relevant now. It would take a colossal miracle, things being as they are, for Miami to ever be a respectable upper tier program again, let alone the national power it once was.
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im sure not intentionally, but you left out a very important piece of Miami's overall football success -- AD Sam Jankovich.
 
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The administration purposely set out to clean up the image of the program at all costs and in the process neutered it. Funny thing is it hasn’t changed, as another poster pointed out social media was all over the “thugs” & “convicts” getting their *** kicked last night.
We are now Northwestern and Vanderbilt, small private schools with decent football programs.
We can’t sniff the elite recruits in our own backyard and I really don’t foresee that changing under the current AD and head coach.
 
A great AD can serve as a buffer to the BOT. Problem is, the BOT/President are the ones that hire the AD.

Who knows where Miami athletics goes from here but I wouldn’t hold my breath for a return to relevance. The potential is there but the commitment isn’t.
 
The OP is correct.

The Administration (or many of the them) associate winning at Miami with the Thug U image of the past. No different than a lot of college football fans, including many Canes fans.

What The U needs is someone with power on the BOT who understands this, and savvy enough spin the renegade image into a positive. Hire the right AD to build a winning organization and culture, who can hire coaches of the same mindset.
 
Three things occurred that will likely prevent Miami from ever seeing another NC:

1) NCAA Comeuppance Sanctions: And the call for the death penalty, leaving a bitter taste in the mouths of BOT.
2) Donna Shalala (2001-2015): She left to run the Clinton Foundation in 2016 and helped HRC lose a slam dunk election.
3) 30 for 30 "The U" (2009) and reruns: A constant reminder of what the BOT, academics and NCAA want to avoid, that will forever dictate what coaches will work at the "New" U.
 
MedleyCane said:
I don't disagree.
But you won't get someone from Alabama or similar elite program if the commitment isn't there from the school.
Notice who our AD is?
There is a reason why we have someone who is way over his head.
A real AD wants no part of this school.
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Puleaze... you could get the UCF guy tomorrow..
 
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Jack71 said:
Sounds like the makings of a great ESPN 30 for 30 episode:

"What if I told you that the people who hated the Miami Hurricanes football program the most, and did more to sabotage it as a national powerhouse, wasn't the NCAA, but the University of Miami's own administration and Board of Trustees?"
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Good god
 
WhatTheHell said:
Other than being horrible coaches what else do they have in common? They are nothing. They are merely pimples that continue to grow. We pop one, and a new one sprouts. The cycle continues. They are replaceable pawns in an endless, sick and twisted Saw-styled game. Fire Richt? Prepare to wake up confused in a dirty room chained to a toilet, and have Jigsaw come riding up on his tricycle saying “in front of you is Rob Chudzinski and Marc Tressel....”
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Loved the whole thing, but wanted to call this part of the post out. It's friggin perfect, and it made me laugh in the midst of all of this dumbfvckery. Thanks, WTH.
 
Seeker said:
P.S. In focusing primarily on the coaches, I failed to mention, as mdpcane correctly noted, the importance of Sam Jankovich, the AD who identified and hired JJ and along with him, Butch, who recruited the players that were the foundation of 4 more NCs.
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We can waste massive amounts of time analyzing the motivation of the BOT, because we can't change them. Bottom line is that the health of the football program starts with a visionary AD. Flake has been a total bust; wasted years and millions of $. He needs to go yesterday.
 
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