The big boyz of College are miles ahead.

[Mario Hurricanes]

I have come to realize we are never going to be a top contending program again. If we ever want to see elite football played by someone in a Miami uniform we are going to have to settle for YouTube. We are going to be a mid-tier ACC team. Some years will be better than others, but generally a mid-tier team in a mid-tier conference. And why is that? It's because that is perfectly fine for the people making decisions and stroking the checks here at Miami.

I hate to get political here but this started when shalala took over. I think we can all agree that she is far left right? Well I got news for you those type of people don't like football! It's to barbaric, it's to rough, it's to masculine. She couldn't just close the football team right, not at Miami? So she neutered it! That was even better! She could still bring in hundreds of millions of dollars because of the football team from tv rights and selling cheap crap to the plebeians. But she could use that money to fund the scholarships of the Womens Rowing Team, new buildings, and big salaries for her woke minions she brought in and placed in positions of power. Those type of people don't believe in greatness, or excellence, or being #1. They believe in equality, and fairness, and nobody having too much because that is not fair. If you had that thought process what would want your football team to be? A mid-tier team in a mid-tier conference, and that's what we got boys. Those bureaucratic, woke, progressives once they were let in by shalala only destroy what is there. By design by the way! They can't build anything, they can't make anything exceptional. Which is why they are in academics. If those people had to fend for themselves in the real world they would starve.

I admire the schools like Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, and Notre Dame. Because they are able to keep those people out of positions of power that effects the football team! The debate on whether Manny goes, and Baker, or James is all a jerk off because the position will be filled my someone okay - not excellent - but okay. So it really doesn't matter who is fired and when. The man-haters are in control.

 

[Miami Nights]

Watching Bama earlier, and now Clemson and Ohio State.

These college teams are flicking waaay more advanced.

Miles better athletes. Organized. Solid.

It takes big money to even fluck with these machines.

those schools are just more serious about football than Miami is. Miami doesn't want the football program to make the university. Miami's ad is a ***** and that's a fact. don't look now its the espn ap.

 

[Canedude08]

I have come to realize we are never going to be a top contending program again. If we ever want to see elite football played by someone in a Miami uniform we are going to have to settle for YouTube. We are going to be a mid-tier ACC team. Some years will be better than others, but generally a mid-tier team in a mid-tier conference. And why is that? It's because that is perfectly fine for the people making decisions and stroking the checks here at Miami.

I hate to get political here but this started when shalala took over. I think we can all agree that she is far left right? Well I got news for you those type of people don't like football! It's to barbaric, it's to rough, it's to masculine. She couldn't just close the football team right, not at Miami? So she neutered it! That was even better! She could still bring in hundreds of millions of dollars because of the football team from tv rights and selling cheap crap to the plebeians. But she could use that money to fund the scholarships of the Womens Rowing Team, new buildings, and big salaries for her woke minions she brought in and placed in positions of power. Those type of people don't believe in greatness, or excellence, or being #1. They believe in equality, and fairness, and nobody having too much because that is not fair. If you had that thought process what would want your football team to be? A mid-tier team in a mid-tier conference, and that's what we got boys. Those bureaucratic, woke, progressives once they were let in by shalala only destroy what is there. By design by the way! They can't build anything, they can't make anything exceptional. Which is why they are in academics. If those people had to fend for themselves in the real world they would starve.

I admire the schools like Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, and Notre Dame. Because they are able to keep those people out of positions of power that effects the football team! The debate on whether Manny goes, and Baker, or James is all a jerk off because the position will be filled my someone okay - not excellent - but okay. So it really doesn't matter who is fired and when. The man-haters are in control.

You really think University Presidents are running athletic departments.. It's almost like the typical Miami fan never attended college.. Oh wait, most of our "Fans" haven't, and it shows when this conversation comes up.

It's in the name people, it's the UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI, not Football Vocational School of Miami. Dr. Shalala may have made comments about the program, but she wasn't running it, just like Tad Foote wasn't running the program when he was here. This narrative that the Miami administration is "Ruining" the program is complete nonsense and shows that our fanbase doesn't have a faintest clue what the F is going on. Can you say that our large donors aren't holding Blake James accountable? Yes, and that's their job, not Dr. Shalala or even Dr. Frenk. In college sports, the money people(known as boosters) are given carte blanche to team with the athletics department administration to manage the department. There is little and I mean little oversight from the administration at large in this management model, mostly because sports aren't seen as a priority by academic minded people and for good reason. You go to Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, even Southern Cal and you see that the University President has zero day to day oversight of the department, it is usually huge institutional donors making the calls. Once athletic department leadership loses the support of those donors, they are forced out and replaced.

The few schools that move away from this model(The Alabamas and LSUs of the world) are usually marginal academic institutions with zero credibility in that realm. They go more with an "All Hands on Deck" method where the school teams extensively with donors to transfer all applicable resources to the athletic department at the expense of the rest of the institution.

The job of the University President is to raise money for the University and ensure that the academic side continues to be relevant in a quickly changing world. Dr. Shalala did that well, Dr. Frenk isn't, and it has nothing to do with the US News and World Report ranking. Dr. Shalala raised over 3 BILLION dollars for the University, that's **** good, especially when one notes that our donor pool is shallower than a lot of peer institutions. People forget that we are relatively young as a major University, peer institutions like Duke, Southern Cal and Tulane existed 50+ years before. That plays a role in building those long term institutional donors.

Just an FYI, the Miami football program doesn't draw in hundreds of millions of dollars, especially when you look at the true revenue generators for the University, RESEARCH. Miami football draws in pennies compared to the medical school and our STEM research departments. No one writes 50 million dollar checks for the football program, but they sure as **** will for the medical school or for Rosenstiel....

 

[Dghustla]

Crazy for all their talent. All I saw was Clemsons DBs getting roasted on Go
Routes and post.

and their safeties busting coverages all night long.

 

[Hurracanes]

You really think University Presidents are running athletic departments.. It's almost like the typical Miami fan never attended college.. Oh wait, most of our "Fans" haven't, and it shows when this conversation comes up.

It's in the name people, it's the UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI, not Football Vocational School of Miami. Dr. Shalala may have made comments about the program, but she wasn't running it, just like Tad Foote wasn't running the program when he was here. This narrative that the Miami administration is "Ruining" the program is complete nonsense and shows that our fanbase doesn't have a faintest clue what the F is going on. Can you say that our large donors aren't holding Blake James accountable? Yes, and that's their job, not Dr. Shalala or even Dr. Frenk. In college sports, the money people(known as boosters) are given carte blanche to team with the athletics department administration to manage the department. There is little and I mean little oversight from the administration at large in this management model, mostly because sports aren't seen as a priority by academic minded people and for good reason. You go to Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, even Southern Cal and you see that the University President has zero day to day oversight of the department, it is usually huge institutional donors making the calls. Once athletic department leadership loses the support of those donors, they are forced out and replaced.

The few schools that move away from this model(The Alabamas and LSUs of the world) are usually marginal academic institutions with zero credibility in that realm. They go more with an "All Hands on Deck" method where the school teams extensively with donors to transfer all applicable resources to the athletic department at the expense of the rest of the institution.

The job of the University President is to raise money for the University and ensure that the academic side continues to be relevant in a quickly changing world. Dr. Shalala did that well, Dr. Frenk isn't, and it has nothing to do with the US News and World Report ranking. Dr. Shalala raised over 3 BILLION dollars for the University, that's **** good, especially when one notes that our donor pool is shallower than a lot of peer institutions. People forget that we are relatively young as a major University, peer institutions like Duke, Southern Cal and Tulane existed 50+ years before. That plays a role in building those long term institutional donors.

Just an FYI, the Miami football program doesn't draw in hundreds of millions of dollars, especially when you look at the true revenue generators for the University, RESEARCH. Miami football draws in pennies compared to the medical school and our STEM research departments. No one writes 50 million dollar checks for the football program, but they sure as **** will for the medical school or for Rosenstiel....

I was informed by people in the know Shalala had a strong influence with decisions made with Athletics. I think you would be surprised by how much she micromanaged our programs. She was more concerned about public relations and altering our perception with the media rather than producing results. You can argue all you want she didn’t manage our Athletics but her agenda was crystal clear what she wanted; therefore, Dee and Hoycut were restricted to a degree and didn’t have the support they needed to do what was needed. She axed a lot of ideas and potential hires. In addition, the lack of resources invested into our programs were heavily due to her bidding. She didn’t prioritize it and milked the brand for what it’s worth. Just look at the results. I believe we had 3 AD’s and 3 Head Coaches under her watch. Lastly, her last knife into the program was hiring Blake James as an AD who wasn’t qualified for the job. No one else in the country hires him.

Frenks is the opposite. He doesn’t care and doesn’t get involved. He didn’t even bring his own AD which isn’t helping the situation.

 

[SSCanes]

We just got spread.. 15 years late.. we are running old version of super simple and just go fast..

The routes I see bama run, Ohio st, etc.. we dont even have they ran a out up comeback on goal line.. lol..

We dont even have wrs, lol..

Against Clemson we couldnt even run a play because our oline cant block a simple inside osu straight handling those guys like nothing

I was thinking that last night. Whoever lines up as Bama’s QB won’t need pads, no way our Dline touch Jim next year

 

[305to954]

There’s a difference between competitive and being in Bama, OSU tier.

We had our best class in quite awhile and our 4th best commit would be middle of the pack to the bottom of Bamas class rankings wise. We ain’t close.

Bingo. Bama/OSU/Clemson gets a Leonard Taylor/ James Williams level of player a multiple positions every cycle.

 

[Go Canes!!]

I have come to realize we are never going to be a top contending program again. If we ever want to see elite football played by someone in a Miami uniform we are going to have to settle for YouTube. We are going to be a mid-tier ACC team. Some years will be better than others, but generally a mid-tier team in a mid-tier conference. And why is that? It's because that is perfectly fine for the people making decisions and stroking the checks here at Miami.

I hate to get political here but this started when shalala took over. I think we can all agree that she is far left right? Well I got news for you those type of people don't like football! It's to barbaric, it's to rough, it's to masculine. She couldn't just close the football team right, not at Miami? So she neutered it! That was even better! She could still bring in hundreds of millions of dollars because of the football team from tv rights and selling cheap crap to the plebeians. But she could use that money to fund the scholarships of the Womens Rowing Team, new buildings, and big salaries for her woke minions she brought in and placed in positions of power. Those type of people don't believe in greatness, or excellence, or being #1. They believe in equality, and fairness, and nobody having too much because that is not fair. If you had that thought process what would want your football team to be? A mid-tier team in a mid-tier conference, and that's what we got boys. Those bureaucratic, woke, progressives once they were let in by shalala only destroy what is there. By design by the way! They can't build anything, they can't make anything exceptional. Which is why they are in academics. If those people had to fend for themselves in the real world they would starve.

I admire the schools like Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, and Notre Dame. Because they are able to keep those people out of positions of power that effects the football team! The debate on whether Manny goes, and Baker, or James is all a jerk off because the position will be filled my someone okay - not excellent - but okay. So it really doesn't matter who is fired and when. The man-haters are in control.

Under normal circumstances we win the coastal would have played Clemson for the acccg this year.

 

[canesbaby]

Completely agree with OP, it’s going to be Bama, Clemson and OSU in 3 of the playoff spots for the foreseeable future. Everyone else is playing for the 4th spot.

 

[Miami[]_[]Smoke]

Under normal circumstances we win the coastal would have played Clemson for the acccg this year.

No, unc would have won it. We would have both had two conference losses and they murdered us head to head

 

[canesbaby]

You really think University Presidents are running athletic departments.. It's almost like the typical Miami fan never attended college.. Oh wait, most of our "Fans" haven't, and it shows when this conversation comes up.

It's in the name people, it's the UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI, not Football Vocational School of Miami. Dr. Shalala may have made comments about the program, but she wasn't running it, just like Tad Foote wasn't running the program when he was here. This narrative that the Miami administration is "Ruining" the program is complete nonsense and shows that our fanbase doesn't have a faintest clue what the F is going on. Can you say that our large donors aren't holding Blake James accountable? Yes, and that's their job, not Dr. Shalala or even Dr. Frenk. In college sports, the money people(known as boosters) are given carte blanche to team with the athletics department administration to manage the department. There is little and I mean little oversight from the administration at large in this management model, mostly because sports aren't seen as a priority by academic minded people and for good reason. You go to Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, even Southern Cal and you see that the University President has zero day to day oversight of the department, it is usually huge institutional donors making the calls. Once athletic department leadership loses the support of those donors, they are forced out and replaced.

The few schools that move away from this model(The Alabamas and LSUs of the world) are usually marginal academic institutions with zero credibility in that realm. They go more with an "All Hands on Deck" method where the school teams extensively with donors to transfer all applicable resources to the athletic department at the expense of the rest of the institution.

The job of the University President is to raise money for the University and ensure that the academic side continues to be relevant in a quickly changing world. Dr. Shalala did that well, Dr. Frenk isn't, and it has nothing to do with the US News and World Report ranking. Dr. Shalala raised over 3 BILLION dollars for the University, that's **** good, especially when one notes that our donor pool is shallower than a lot of peer institutions. People forget that we are relatively young as a major University, peer institutions like Duke, Southern Cal and Tulane existed 50+ years before. That plays a role in building those long term institutional donors.

Just an FYI, the Miami football program doesn't draw in hundreds of millions of dollars, especially when you look at the true revenue generators for the University, RESEARCH. Miami football draws in pennies compared to the medical school and our STEM research departments. No one writes 50 million dollar checks for the football program, but they sure as **** will for the medical school or for Rosenstiel....

Nominee for post of the year for 2021. This should be required reading for everyone on this board.

 

[GojiraCane]

Hire the right coach and things will start falling into place... not a bunch of BFFs

Even if we unwittingly hired Saban 2.0, would this (or most other fan bases) give him the necessary time to build Miami into a title contender. Alabama took off in two seasons because much of the talent was already there. Ohio State and Oklahoma have scarcely missed beats with coaching changes because the talent was already there. In our case, the talent is NOT already there and needs to be built. Our model is Clemson’s, and it took the Tigers time to get over the hump. Would a modern fanbase give this hypothetical Saban 2.0 the 3-5 years necessary to do this, or would there be banner planes in year 3?

 

[GojiraCane]

This.

biggest mistake was wanting to be “pro style bro” and be so backwards thinking like Nebraska when they couldn’t leave the triple option behind

Although the counter to that is that Nebraska’s offense was still relatively primitive when they won those national championships in the mid 90s. However they had to significantly upgrade their talent to make that work.

 

[Sabetta]

good news is so are about 100 other teams.

 

[Go Canes!!]

No, unc would have won it. We would have both had two conference losses and they murdered us head to head

If there were Coastal and Atlantic divisions they had 3 ACC losses, we had 2.

 

[Go Canes!!]

Even if we unwittingly hired Saban 2.0, would this (or most other fan bases) give him the necessary time to build Miami into a title contender. Alabama took off in two seasons because much of the talent was already there. Ohio State and Oklahoma have scarcely missed beats with coaching changes because the talent was already there. In our case, the talent is NOT already there and needs to be built. Our model is Clemson’s, and it took the Tigers time to get over the hump. Would a modern fanbase give this hypothetical Saban 2.0 the 3-5 years necessary to do this, or would there be banner planes in year 3?

Year 3? Try game 1.

 

[Artist Formerly Known As]

Even if we unwittingly hired Saban 2.0, would this (or most other fan bases) give him the necessary time to build Miami into a title contender. Alabama took off in two seasons because much of the talent was already there. Ohio State and Oklahoma have scarcely missed beats with coaching changes because the talent was already there. In our case, the talent is NOT already there and needs to be built. Our model is Clemson’s, and it took the Tigers time to get over the hump. Would a modern fanbase give this hypothetical Saban 2.0 the 3-5 years necessary to do this, or would there be banner planes in year 3?

I’m sure some folks will never be happy, but I think a large portion of fans who call for early firings do so because they know what they’re seeing. We’ve seen mediocre to failing coaches for 15 years. Our fan base knows what the signs are.

The right coach who makes the right decisions, improves the basics, and makes adequate progress year over year would be given a longer leash.

The reason Manny has a shorter leash is because the defense is all his players, coaches, and scheme and we still see the same poor discipline and mistakes fundamentally.

 

[GojiraCane]

You really think University Presidents are running athletic departments.. It's almost like the typical Miami fan never attended college.. Oh wait, most of our "Fans" haven't, and it shows when this conversation comes up.

It's in the name people, it's the UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI, not Football Vocational School of Miami. Dr. Shalala may have made comments about the program, but she wasn't running it, just like Tad Foote wasn't running the program when he was here. This narrative that the Miami administration is "Ruining" the program is complete nonsense and shows that our fanbase doesn't have a faintest clue what the F is going on. Can you say that our large donors aren't holding Blake James accountable? Yes, and that's their job, not Dr. Shalala or even Dr. Frenk. In college sports, the money people(known as boosters) are given carte blanche to team with the athletics department administration to manage the department. There is little and I mean little oversight from the administration at large in this management model, mostly because sports aren't seen as a priority by academic minded people and for good reason. You go to Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, even Southern Cal and you see that the University President has zero day to day oversight of the department, it is usually huge institutional donors making the calls. Once athletic department leadership loses the support of those donors, they are forced out and replaced.

The few schools that move away from this model(The Alabamas and LSUs of the world) are usually marginal academic institutions with zero credibility in that realm. They go more with an "All Hands on Deck" method where the school teams extensively with donors to transfer all applicable resources to the athletic department at the expense of the rest of the institution

That’s why it’s not sustainable. You will eventually get political pressure from students at those colleges about the inequity of it. While ESPN/ABC may not report on it, other institutions will. It will spread. And it ultimately could lead to the diminishment of football or its outright banning within a generation.

 

[OBLIVION]

You don't get a free out on the highest paid coach in your programs history and turn around and hire Manny if your serious about winning.

Seriously look at the hires that have been made since Butch left and tell me where you see serious about winning at? Had we cared about winning we would've paid Butch what was needed.

 

[canesstevealum08]

Since we won our last natty a lot has happened through no fault of our own. ESPN conf networks to promote state schools and college towns and phase out Miami usc ucla thrown in university of Washington types. Look at the national champs before Saban got to Bama the geography was much wider.

Camps but mostly budgets and the NCAA have stopped Miami (along with a non transparent lazy admin). It got bad after coker. He kept it elite for about four years after. Idk how you follow that up with a first timer but we did.