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canesigep23 said:
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Just saw this.. he threw the ball 9 yards further in the Louisville game.

From the -47 to the +5 = 48 yards from the right hash to the left side of the field

Indiana game throw was +49 to +15 = 34 yards from the right hash. If he throws it 10 yards further it's a TD or incomplete pass at worst.
 
PIPO said:
He pre-determined his throw. He didn’t even look at Mali.

Mali wasn’t open yet when Beck was throwing the ball. If he waits another 1/2 second - 1 second, Mali would’ve come open for Carson’s favorite throw for a good 10-12 yards. But people are making it like he would’ve been open for 20-30 yards. I don’t see how.
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1 more second and the DE/DT sacks him
 
ssvir said:
1 more second and the DE/DT sacks him
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I haven’t re-watched anything of the game so I will give you the benefit of the doubt.

It’s been speculated that he (Carson) changed the line call and instead of having Marty go out on a route to the flat, he stayed in to block, which based on the only video I’ve seen, McCoy got blown up right away and Marty saved his and Carson’s *** from an immediate sack.

Marion then didn’t adjust to his new route, which should’ve been a dig route, which is what it seemed like a possibility why Carson threw the ball that he did as Marion kept running to the corner why he didn’t react as if Carson was throwing the ball sooner.

But it’s just speculation. It’s also possible Carson just under threw it significantly.

Only Carson can answer this question.
 
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If you throwing in cover 2 there Miami should have had another route under neath so that corner could vacate and cover in the area not just give them a free release to just sink with the route . Ball should have never went there but if you are going to attempt that throw it had to be in the end zone
 
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When you see the replay from behind the play, the way Marion reacts to the ball being thrown to him makes me think he wasnt the primary read on the play. Beck was locked on him the whole time and Toney was coming free across his face with what looked like it could gave been a huge play. I know hindsight is perfect but we had 49 seconds left still and didnt need to force it at that time.
 
One would hope Beck looks to the #1 playmaker in cfb, Toney before going anywhere else with the ball. Kinda seemed like a predetermined throw to Marion.
 
Yoyo423 said:
Just saw this.. he threw the ball 9 yards further in the Louisville game.

From the -47 to the +5 = 48 yards from the right hash to the left side of the field

Indiana game throw was +49 to +15 = 34 yards from the right hash. If he throws it 10 yards further it's a TD or incomplete pass at worst.
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That throw vs Louisville was a punt. It had a ton of air under it which is why Toney had to throttle down, wait for it, and it turned into a contested catch. The throw vs Indiana had a safety squeezing the window, which was already small, towards the sideline. If Beck makes a rainbow type throw like that to somewhere between the goal line and 5 yard line it's a jump ball between IU's safety and Marion. That Louisville throw shows that more than likely Beck's absolute best, which no one always does, was a punt type throw that ends with a jump ball.

Beck was capable of a mortar shot and that throw required a cruise missile. If I had to guess Beck knew that, tried to muscle it on more of a rope, and came up short cause 13 months removed from TJS it's just more than he's capable of. I'm not sure he's capable of it pre injury. A 55+ yard strike is a big boy throw that requires top level arm strength. It's not just about throwing it the needed distance it has to arrive before the safety meaning it can't have that much air under it.
 
brock said:
If you throwing in cover 2 there Miami should have had another route under neath so that corner could vacate and cover in the area not just give them a free release to just sink with the route . Ball should have never went there but if you are going to attempt that throw it had to be in the end zone
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I mean......if you want to throw the 9 route yeah. But if someone motions, turning it into a 2x2 look, to run something field side short or intermediate I'd almost guarantee that the safety moves over from the hash pre snap or IU might shift into a C4 look. It changes things.

Toney motions and him and Marion run a smash concept?
 
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This why i keep saying processing is the most important attribute for a qb. The throw was there but if beck reads the safety he either 1. Throws it early with anticipation, therefore you don’t need to make as long of a throw because you’re beating the safety with the ball or 2. You bring your eyes back to the other targets after clearly seeing the safety go directly to the go route after the snap,so you can either get it to bauman or hit mali for 10 yards or so

You can’t pre determine where you’re gonna throw pre snap, and not read the safety AND throw it late and short

But thats just who beck has been bro but now he doesn’t have the arm strength to make up for it anymore. He helped us big time to get to the natty so ill appreciate him forever
 
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ssvir said:
1 more second and the DE/DT sacks him
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I'm not 100% on that. Brown was still in position to be between Beck and Fisher (blitzing Mike). If Beck steps out to his left McCoy can push Fisher up field as he turns to pursue. You might be right though. McCoy definitely wiffed and it would have been very close if he tried to escape the pocket.

Toney was open when he released the ball to Marion or at least in position to be thrown open. If he throws it to the referee or just to his left Toney can make the catch and then IU's LB'ers have the enviable task of corral'ing him in the open field. Who knows how far he takes it. I would say at minimum it's 1st down at the 30 and possibly closer to the 20.
 

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The bottom line is there was plenty of time left on the clock and inside Indiana territory we didn’t need to go for the jugular there. If there were only 10-15 seconds left I would understand taking a shot there but it was totally unnecessary. Then again, if we don’t give up the blocked punt, or miss the FG earlier, or the defense doesn’t jump offsides which eventually led to an Indiana TD. There’s just so many “what if’s” in this game it can drive you crazy thinking about it.
 
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E1k said:
This why i keep saying processing is the most important attribute for a qb. The throw was there but if beck reads the safety he either 1. Throws it early with anticipation, therefore you don’t need to make as long of a throw because you’re beating the safety with the ball or 2. You bring your eyes back to the other targets and you can either get it to bauman or hit mali for 10 yards or so

You can’t pre determine where you’re gonna throw pre snap, and not read the safety AND throw it late and short

But thats just who beck has been bro but now he doesn’t have the arm strength to make up for it anymore. He helped us big time to get to the natty so ill appreciate him forever
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I think he'll regain some arm strength. Most pitchers, 12-13 months removed from TJS, would just be starting to throw from the mound right now. I know occasionally you get the guy who's throwing from elevation at 10-11 months but that's the exception. I don't think think Becks arm is 100% recovered. Six months to a year from now maybe that throw I think their will be a meaningful difference in arm strength. I'm sure he got the "gift wrap" or whatever it's called the surgeon installs a thicker and more durable ligament. Advanced surgical techniques are why some guys are coming back from TJS throwing harder than they did before.
 
DoctorKrazey said:
The bottom line is there was plenty of time left on the clock and inside Indiana territory we didn’t need to go for the jugular there. If there were only 10-15 seconds left I would understand taking a shot there but it was totally unnecessary. Then again, if we don’t give up the blocked punt, or miss the FG earlier, or the defense doesn’t jump offsides which eventually led to an Indiana TD. There’s just so many “what if’s” in this game it can drive you crazy thinking about it.
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The non holding call against IU's LT on Mendoza's QB draw. If he doesn't hook Bain, who beat him like a red headed step child, Bain decapitates Mendoza in the backfield. I know they were "letting guys play" in that game but that was a situation where a player is going to make the play, 90% chance, and he gets held by a player who's body was entirely behind him besides his left arm. He wasn't partially beat and still in the play competing he was torched. Really frustrating.

Then to have to hear a bunch of goobers say that Mendoza "ran Bissainthe over" when the reality is Bissainthe was being partially blocked by a WR as he lunges in front of him.......:rolleyes:
 
BRockCane98 said:
The non holding call against IU's LT on Mendoza's QB draw. If he doesn't hook Bain, who beat him like a red headed step child, Bain decapitates Mendoza in the backfield. I know they were "letting guys play" in that game but that was a situation where a player is going to make the play, 90% chance, and he gets held by a player who's body was entirely behind him besides his left arm. He wasn't partially beat and still in the play competing he was torched. Really frustrating.

Then to have to hear a bunch of goobers say that Mendoza "ran Bissainthe over" when the reality is Bissainthe was being partially blocked by a WR as he lunges in front of him.......:rolleyes:
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No doubt. Just for fun, or curiosity’s sake, I would love for someone to go back and count how many times Bain/Mesidor were held and it wasn’t called throughout the season.What would their numbers actually look like?
 
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