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Think it would have been much harder to score a TD from the 20-30 yard line with the score being what it was and the time left, than Carson making a better throw and getting a TD there. IU wasn't doing anything special to defend the goal line on that play. Take your shot, get the lead, trust the defense. I was fine with taking a shot there and then. Execution was baaaaaaaaad.
I still don't understand what Beck was trying to do there. That throw doesn't look like he was trying to throw it to the pylon and came up short. Throw looks like he was trying to hit Marion back shoulder around the 15, but I don't know why he thought the corner wouldn't be there.
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Yea I'm in the same boat the more I look at those pictures and replaying the season.
And the more you think about it you have to go for the kill shot if it present its self.
Have to take into account we had no timeouts and we got bain,mesidor and the whole defence with the city cooking if Beck hits the TD. Thats alot of pressure for IU to deal with if those events happen.
I was wrong imo saying it was the wrong choice. It was the right choice , just needed a lil more juice, but I think he could make that throw given a second chance.
He threw it as if he does it all the time no hesitation. He was going for the W.
We made mistakes as a team against IU and ole miss .a game we could've given away but This time it bit us in the butt.
Beck did a great job for the U.
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Extremely well coached DB. It was also a great pick. Marion can run and not only did the DB keep up with him, he closed the distance once the ball was in the air. I think it’s cathartic to believe Beck blew it and if he goes to Toney we win the championship, but I changed my opinion today. Beck made the correct decision and it wasn’t even a terrible throw, Sharpe (I think he’s the DB) just made a terrific play when he had the opportunity.
Our DB (OConnor) had a gift wrapped pick 6 in the 1st half and didn’t have the ball skills to make the play. Theirs did.
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If he wanted to play hashes, CJ was running the same route against the same coverage on the near hash too
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He's rainbowed throws all year idk why he likes to float all his throws so much but either way the read and throw was wrong with how the play was drafted up. We live on
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No it was a terrible throw. Safety picks it if the db doesn’t. It needed to be towards the pylon like Tua’s throw.
1) The db was still in the area even though he was in cover 2 prior to Beck throwing it
2) You as the QB knows there will not be a receiver in the DB’s area prior to the pass
3) Based on Beck’s film review and pass attempts throughout the game, he knows the Indiana defense was smart and they don’t cover grass if there’s no receiver in their area (my biggest issue with the offense)
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I’ll say this one thing and I’m done on this subject:
As I said on Tuesday morning, this is a 60 yard throw to the pylon. No, he can’t make that throw right now. Not on the trajectory it needed to be thrown on. Yes, you can have him come out to greentree right now and he can throw a ball 60 yards in the air. No, it will not be on the trajectory this ball needed to be on to complete it.
And the fact that we know he can’t make that throw is proven by the fact that Keelan Marion didn’t even ******* look for the ball, because he knew he wasn’t gonna attempt that throw. It’s right hash on the 50 to the left front pylon, and the ball had to be put on a line. If you wanna throw that ball, it has to be gone in under 2 seconds. I still stand by my previous comments that the ball shouldn’t have went there in the first place. There is literally nobody on that side of the field to make the field corner even think. That doesn’t even take into account we didn’t need to force a play there.
I like Beck. He played well for the vast majority of the season. He’s not Cam, but he’s one of the best QBs in the history of the school. We don’t win the Ohio State game without him. Obviously the Ole Miss drive will go down in Hurricane lore.
But this was a bad decision and bad throw. When you add those 2 up, you get what you got. Sometimes you can get away with one or the other. You rarely get away with both. We didn’t. What’s done is done. The kid is gonna think about it for the rest of his life. I’m far more enraged about the blocked punt in punt safe than I am this play.
As I said on Tuesday morning, this is a 60 yard throw to the pylon. No, he can’t make that throw right now. Not on the trajectory it needed to be thrown on. Yes, you can have him come out to greentree right now and he can throw a ball 60 yards in the air. No, it will not be on the trajectory this ball needed to be on to complete it.
And the fact that we know he can’t make that throw is proven by the fact that Keelan Marion didn’t even ******* look for the ball, because he knew he wasn’t gonna attempt that throw. It’s right hash on the 50 to the left front pylon, and the ball had to be put on a line. If you wanna throw that ball, it has to be gone in under 2 seconds. I still stand by my previous comments that the ball shouldn’t have went there in the first place. There is literally nobody on that side of the field to make the field corner even think. That doesn’t even take into account we didn’t need to force a play there.
I like Beck. He played well for the vast majority of the season. He’s not Cam, but he’s one of the best QBs in the history of the school. We don’t win the Ohio State game without him. Obviously the Ole Miss drive will go down in Hurricane lore.
But this was a bad decision and bad throw. When you add those 2 up, you get what you got. Sometimes you can get away with one or the other. You rarely get away with both. We didn’t. What’s done is done. The kid is gonna think about it for the rest of his life. I’m far more enraged about the blocked punt in punt safe than I am this play.
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Brother some people just like to run their mouth. That's simply something you should be used to by now. Facts and relevance don't matter with people on here. They just want each make it seem like they know more than they do.
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Brother you think if we had another game and him and Dawson are sitting in film, Dawson is telling him that’s where the ball should’ve went on that read? Marion should’ve looked for the **** ball, period. It’s insane you’re running a route and just getting cardio. But imo the ball didn’t need to go there. Not in that situation. 22 seconds? Sure. 32? Sure. Not 52 on 1st down. The safety drops to his back half immediately. It’s not like he looked middle and buddy hung there. He’s turning at the snap. And you have nobody threatening the flat at all. I’m not gonna pretend I know more than you but I don’t think that’s the right read with what I’ve been taught. And especially in that situation. As a QB, you’re always aware of where you are and what you need. You don’t have to push that right there, I’m sorry.
Regardless tho, I’m not gonna kill the kid. We should’ve won that game before this play was made.
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Brother instead of making me type all this again just look at the last couple posts I've made on this. No 100% it's not the right read. The right read was the shallow cross to Malachi that was slow developing. Malachi would have got down to about the 10 considering The far side of the field was already free and clear. However there's a lot more contexts that needs to be considered. Just read the other post please so I don't have to type all this crap. I'm driving and voice to text is annoying. But I get what you're saying Just disagree for various reasons
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Will do. I’m at Disney with my kids lol. I just came on and saw this thread and we’re all beating a dead horse at this point of course.
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He didn't need the pylon. If he got it to the 5 near the sideline with zip it's a TD. Take off those 5 yards and it's within 6-7 yds of the 46yd TD in the clip I shared. You're seriously underrating Beck's arm. 60 might be getting close to the edge of how far he can throw it with zip, but there's no doubt he can make that throw.
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As is this **** is in the past. All it is as brothers were chasing another day with those that matter. Live in the present my brother. Enjoy disney with the family and purge this poison from your system.
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It's arguably the right read if you are Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert.....handful of others that can thunder bolt that throw in there. But if an arm like that is at QB the defense is probably in a different coverage, the safety prioritizes depth over width on his drop, and many other things are different.
Not about killing Beck. He played well for the Canes this season and I appreciate the run he helped us go on. I just don't think a lot of people realize how much of a difference throwing from the far hash to outside the numbers on the field side makes. This idea that lots of QB's can make that throw is crazy. I just went back and looked at the Hail Mary Mendoza, no this isn't meant to rip him in anyway, threw before HT and he released it on his own 45 short side hash and it went to the Goal line (shade over 55 yards). That's him taking I believe two full strides into it and just ripping it without really worrying about placement or trajectory. I think he can probably go 60? Maybe a shade over on his best throws. And not every throw is your best. Most QB's can't throw it 65+ even when just throwing for distance. Yes there are freaks, I've mentioned one in this thread (Joe Milton), who can push it towards 80 but they don't always have or at least haven't yet developed the other skills needed to play QB at a high level. At best that was a low% throw for Beck as it would be for all but a handful of QB's.
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The safety is more of an issue than you realize. The angle he took when Beck threw it is based on him seeing that the ball was short so he flattens out. A better throw and you get a different angle more towards the pylon.
Also....everyone's mentioned that Marion wasn't looking. If he turns to look back for the ball as he would need to for the pass to be completed that slows him down somewhat changing the timing of his arrival. You can't just take what we saw happen based on the throw Beck made, how fast Marion ran when not looking for the ball, and plug it all into a new hypothetical play where Beck makes a stronger throw and Marion is looking. Those factors change where the safety is and where Marion is. This is a tight window. It's gonna come down to a few feet and it was going to take an absolutely fantastic throw from Beck. IMO it's at best a low % throw for Beck.
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It’s a NFL throw that he didn’t make.
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Bad read, point blank period. And it was predetermined. He wasn't reading sh*t.
*3x1 formation to the boundary.
*Read the Safety to the field (single WR side)
*If that Safety opens up to the field, your X is doubled, look back to the 3 WR side.
*With the Safety being occupied by the vertical from the field, you should have Malachi open crossing the field (versus a Linebacker).
*3x1 formation to the boundary.
*Read the Safety to the field (single WR side)
*If that Safety opens up to the field, your X is doubled, look back to the 3 WR side.
*With the Safety being occupied by the vertical from the field, you should have Malachi open crossing the field (versus a Linebacker).
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Yep he does not posses the arm talent to even force that throw anyways, dumbest decision he made all year and it was for all the marbles too that’s what makes it mind boggling. I get trying that bs throw in the first quarter. With the game on the line your #1 priority is ball safety & live to fight another down you don’t attempt those types of throws with the game on the line unless it’s a busted coverage or WIDE open smh.