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The Beck throw....

ball was intercepted at the 15.

5 more yards and he completes it. the safety probably makes the tackle before the endzone.

again, any starting d1 QB has the arm strent to make that throw. this was not about a lack of arm strength at all. beck chose to put it where he did because he wanted to keep it away from the safety, which he was locked in on.
 
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canesigep23 said:
Distance wasnt a factor. He should’ve put that towards that front pylon/sideline. We would’ve walked away national champs. Pain.

Same exact spot as Tua. This is how it should’ve looked.
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Not the same exact spot! Far hash vs near hash. That throws 50 or 51 yards where as Becks was more like 58. That was also a busted coverage where the safety was clearly out of position so Tua could put more air under it.

The safety wasn't out of position on Becks throw. The safety is reacting to the trajectory of the throw he sees before he turns and breaks. He could see it was short so he flattened his angle. If it was a stronger throw he would have taken a different angle.
 
DerekDohrman said:
ball was intercepted at the 15.

5 more yards and he completes it. the safety probably makes the tackle before the endzone.

again, any starting d1 QB has the arm strent to make that throw. this was not about a lack of arm strength at all. beck chose to put it where he did because he wanted to keep it away from the safety, which he was locked in on.
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Carson tried to fire it into him rather than put loft on the ball...had he done that, we may be talking differently today.
 
CityboyCanes4life82 said:
Do you know who he is? He’s a formal coach of Crystal ball when he was at FIU. He was a head coach of Duke Johnson in high school.

So he knows his football.
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I'm aware. I know he knows football. I've worked with very respected coaches and often times they fail to factor in details like near hash vs far hash when thinking about distances.

It's not a 45 yard throw. It's 58 yards and it needs to be a strike.
 
B Run said:
Carson tried to fire it into him rather than put loft on the ball...had he done that, we may be talking differently today.
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If he does that, rainbows it, it's a jump ball between the safety and Marion that hopefully Marion breaks up or wins. If the throw is stronger the safety will see that and take a different angle. Rainbow'ing it to the goal line isn't ideal but it's far better than what he did.
 
BRockCane98 said:
I'm aware. I know he knows football. I've worked with very respected coaches and often times they fail to factor in details like near has vs far hash when thinking about distances.

It's not a 45 yard throw. It's 58 yards and it needs to be a strike.
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OK, got ya. If Carson Beck is a first round QB he has to make that throw.
 
It was a bad throw and it was stupid. WR isnt even looking for ball and Beck threw it straight to defender who had no one threatening the flats to hold him.. Beck hasnt tried that throw ALL year after under throwing Moore who had to make great catch on man single coverage

 
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skyman said:
It was a bad throw and it was stupid. WR isnt even looking for ball and Beck threw it straight to defender who had no one threatening the flats to hold him.. Beck hasnt tried that throw ALL year after under throwing Moore who had to make great catch on man single coverage

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He lobbed that and was a bit inside the hash which shortens the throw a bit. That's probably about the best thing he, given his arm strength, could have done there.
 
BRockCane98 said:


Not ripping this dude. I've seen him do solid breakdowns before but I don't think he realizes how far this throw is.

Far hash to sideline = 100 feet
47 yard line to goal line = 141 feet

Do the basic geometry and the distance from where Beck was standing to the front pylon is just under 173 feet or 57 2/3rds yards. For a throw that really needs to be a strike, can't rainbow it and leave time for DB's to adjust while the balls in the air, that's more club than Beck had in his bag especially post injury.

That's a throw that you need top shelf arm strength to make and make consistently. He's asking to much.
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Bro!! Shut The **** up with this 141 feet bull**** Carson! HS QBs are making that throw in their sleep! You threw a duck! Just let it go Carson! Miami fans still rock with you big dawg!
 
canesigep23 said:
Distance wasnt a factor. He should’ve put that towards that front pylon/sideline. We would’ve walked away national champs. Pain.

Same exact spot as Tua. This is how it should’ve looked.
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Respectfully disagree with one aspect of what you are saying:

The Tua Throw to Smitty wasn’t on the same hash as Beck’s. Tua had a more direct and shorter throw.

@BRockCane98 - even though we’ve been arguing in another thread, is correct here in terms of it being a longer throw.

I will say that it didn’t need to be on a rope, per se, IMO. It needed to be thrown with the intention of throwing it out of bounds with the way Beck’s arm has been this year.
 
KingB02 said:
Bro!! Shut The **** up with this 141 feet bull**** Carson! HS QBs are making that throw in their sleep! You threw a duck! Just let it go Carson! Miami fans still rock with you big dawg!
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LOL at HS QB's making that throw easy. Maybe a handful every recruiting cycle.

58 yards and it needs to be a real strike. Thats a throw that only QB's with A level arm strength can make.

How is this me shilling for Beck? Knowing what you can and can't do is a big part of QB'ing. Beck should have known that that isn't a throw he could realistically make. He made a mistake. I still like him and appreciate the run he helped the Canes make but that was bad judgement.
 
skyman said:
It was a bad throw and it was stupid. WR isnt even looking for ball and Beck threw it straight to defender who had no one threatening the flats to hold him.. Beck hasnt tried that throw ALL year after under throwing Moore who had to make great catch on man single coverage

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Ouch! That throw should’ve been picked off if the corner looked back.. underthrown again, but not as bad as the one in the natty
 
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KingB02 said:
Bro!! Shut The **** up with this 141 feet bull**** Carson! HS QBs are making that throw in their sleep! You threw a duck! Just let it go Carson! Miami fans still rock with you big dawg!
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Funny how fans and even many football coaches reject knowledge. They want it to be really simple.

"He's on the 47 so it's a 45 yard throw"

Nope. Almost 60 as it turns out. But why would we want to know that.
 
Rag arm throw and poor choice to begin with on 1st & 10...Toney is crossing wide open with room to continue upfield for probably another 5 yards or so after the catch. Then you have 1st & 10 on the 20, quick spike, and plenty of time left to make 20 yds.
 
BRockCane98 said:
LOL at HS QB's making that throw easy. Maybe a handful every recruiting cycle.

58 yards and it needs to be a real strike. Thats a throw that only QB's with A level arm strength can make.

How is this me shilling for Beck? Knowing what you can and can't do is a big part of QB'ing. Beck should have known that that isn't a throw he could realistically make. He made a mistake. I still like him and appreciate the run he helped the Canes make but that was bad judgement.
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HS QBs are throwing streaks and go routes everywhere from all parts of the field. Turn on any QB with at least 1 d1 offers highlights and you will see that throw at least once! Go routes are the easiest throws. We should’ve been screaming BLUUUURRRRR!!! On that play!!
 
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