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DMoney said:
McConathy definitely slowed down after spring but he still played more than Lightfoot, who was a five star.

The guys who had the most momentum this time last year were OJ Frederique and Jordan Lyle as late arrivals. Bryce Fitzgerald's trajectory reminds me a bit of those guys. Lofton's hype was pretty consistent and he would've played even more if not for Arroyo.
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scary as it means we still failed to land better experienced safeties.
 
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Calinative said:
What the **** were yall expecting? 8 True Freshman starters? Lmao. If a True Freshman is getting legit snaps, that's pretty **** impactful for the most part. Like oh no Lofton wasn't an impactful freshman because he didn't start over ******* Elijah Arroyo! .... yall tripping for real. Lol Lyle received 60 touches as a true frosh on the #1 offense in the country. McConathy didn't produce.... but he was a 3star true frosh that got on the field game 1 lol.

Again Toney and Moore are getting hype. Is it only living up to the hype if they get 1k yards? I'm confused lol.
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Loften the best athlete and Rb didn’t have a big impact.
ZP was talked up as a starter by week 3-5.
McConathy shouldn’t have played. He should have shirted but we lost Wayne and others.
I don’t need the pumping of true freshman. They take time and if we get one starter, great.

If Bryce starts, what does that say about the kids returning and transfers? We will know in a couple months if Mario can identify kids at a level needed to win the acc.
 
Memnon said:
Not at all.

My stance has been when he shows it on the field in games I'll believe it.

YALL are the ones that think practice matters more than in-season performance.
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No doubt this CB room should just be best man plays. It's pretty ******* loaded with talent right now. More talent then we've had in 20 years. Expectations out of our CB room should be really high, regardless which guys are on the field. Nickel is probably the biggest question on how we're going to go about the rotation there. Like It makes sense for Scott to be the primary Nickel, but I could see why Brantley or Damari could be useful there depending on situation cause I very much doubt Ewald is really seeing PT except when backup are in mostly. Even though Brantley has always played outside, honestly I think he should want his shot at getting a lot of Nickel snaps because ultimately at the next level thats a skillset that teams will likely view as neccessary for his build...

Notre Dames top 3 WRs are expected to be Malachi Fields (6'4" 222lbs), Jaden Greathouse (6'1" 215lbs), and Jordan Faison (5'10" 185lbs). But unlike what people would probably expect given those guys' size, I'm pretty sure they more play Greathouse in the slot. So I absolutely could see Brantley on Faison outside a lot, and maybe Damari playing more slot that game along with Scott.

Floridas top 3 WRs are expected to be Eugene Wilson (5'10" 194lbs), J Michael Sturdivant (6'2" 213lbs), and probably Dallas Wilson (6'3" 213lbs). Well in that one Wilson is the slot guy, And I probably wouldn't expect Brantley to get the most work outside over OJ/Lucas/OConnor there - even if he was above Damari as an Outside CB. Maybe that's a game Brantley could be more utilized in the slot with Scott.... Much rather line him up in slot to guard Wilson than Damari...

Though teams don't usually use guys inside and outside, usually feel like they more just stick to one and leave them there, so who knows. I'll still say I'll be shocked if Lucas or Damari aren't getting Safety reps when needed. Too much talent at CB not to play these dudes when we are weak at Safety depth.
 
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90scane said:
Loften the best athlete and Rb didn’t have a big impact.
ZP was talked up as a starter by week 3-5.
McConathy shouldn’t have played. He should have shirted but we lost Wayne and others.
I don’t need the pumping of true freshman. They take time and if we get one starter, great.

If Bryce starts, what does that say about the kids returning and transfers? We will know in a couple months if Mario can identify kids at a level needed to win the acc.
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“If Bryce starts, what does that say about the kids returning and transfers? “

It says the coaches think starting him gives us the best chance to win. It really is no more complicated than that. Some kids are physically and mentally ready to play early. Some aren’t. Message posts aren’t going to tell anyone much riveting though they are.
 
The talent level seems to have certainly risen with Mario

We have NFL players at almost every postion

QB - Beck
RB - Fletcher & Lyle, maybe Brown too
TE - Lofton
OL - The whole starting 5 plus Samson
DE - Bain for sure - sounds like other young potential as well (Blount, Lightfoot, etc.)
CB - OJ, Lucas
S - Poyser

Biggest question marks are who takes the next step or leap at DT, LB, and WR. Lots of talent (veterans and young guys)

Should be a fun year
 
brock said:
And?…

we have flipped prime players each of the last few years
Mark fletcher, Jordan Lyle, Justin Scott, Hayden Lowe, Josh Moore, Armando Blount and I’m sure some others so it’s proven we have the ability to do it
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Everyone missed the “financial incentives” part of the paragraph
 
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nvlahos said:
The talent level seems to have certainly risen with Mario

We have NFL players at almost every postion

QB - Beck
RB - Fletcher & Lyle, maybe Brown too
TE - Lofton
OL - The whole starting 5 plus Samson
DE - Bain for sure - sounds like other young potential as well (Blount, Lightfoot, etc.)
CB - OJ, Lucas
S - Poyser

Biggest question marks are who takes the next step or leap at DT, LB, and WR. Lots of talent (veterans and young guys)

Should be a fun year
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What does "NFL players" entail?
 
90scane said:
As for Toney, this is another sign of failures. RayRay and the cuse transfer.

Moore, he would be behind Horton but we couldn’t keep him.

Sooo we pump the replacements hoping they can save us.
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What the h*ll is going on with you tonight? Critical post after critical post a few weeks before the season starts just as people are starting to get excited. Can you just let some people enjoy themselves and not try to find a negative spin for everything? I know this is a message board and we encourage people to post and express different opinions, but it is beyond odd to see post after post after post that shows nothing but determination to be as critical as possible.

You don’t have to drink the kool aid, but just chill out, step away from the keyboard and go talk to your family. Right about now they must be wondering why you have been screaming at your computer screen for the last 2 hours.
 
90scane said:
Loften the best athlete and Rb didn’t have a big impact.
ZP was talked up as a starter by week 3-5.
McConathy shouldn’t have played. He should have shirted but we lost Wayne and others.
I don’t need the pumping of true freshman. They take time and if we get one starter, great.

If Bryce starts, what does that say about the kids returning and transfers? We will know in a couple months if Mario can identify kids at a level needed to win the acc.
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You're acting like if a true freshman receives positive hype that if they aren't an entrenched game 1 starter, it means it was bs basically. It really doesn't make any sense. Like you're looking at it like it's black or white, like either they are an all american or didn't make an impact. Like it just seems obvious that Pre-season hype for a Freshman should be viewed on a curve. It's very rare you're going to get Jeremiah smith like performances...Or Mauigoa/Bain/OJ type performances too. And receiving Hype in the preseason doesn't mean less than that isn't a great result or just another preseason lie...

Cause how the **** is Lofton (at a difficult position to get True Frosh PT) TE2 basically all year playing behind a 2nd round pick, and you want to act like the hype was false about him lol. Meanwhile he's what about to be firmly TE1 now. Like him and Lyle (who seems like he will be RB1) playing that much on the #1 offense in the country absolutely tells me That the preseason Hype came true. Lyle didn't need to beat out Damien Martinez and get 1k yards rushing for me to say hey that hype was real lol. Obviously TBD if they are both studs or not this year. But for True Freshman they produced quite well.

If Wiley Jr plays as LB3 or 4 this year, would that be him living up to the hype if the only LBs in front of him in PT are Seniors who have started like every game the last 3 years (Wes and Toure)? What if any of our True Freshman CBs are getting hype in preseason? I'd argue literally if any of them actually gets real game experience before half time that is pretty well living up to the hype considering our CB room is OJ/Lucas/Brantley/OConnor/Damari/Scott/etc.... Like come on now..
 
N.M.B. Cane said:
I’m thinking he means get drafted and consistently playing Sunday’s

As opposed to like day 2 picks or just getting to nfl … that’s how I took it
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If he means drafted, then he is overzealous imo. I won't even consider he meant consistently playing in the NFL because their is no legitimate way to explain that.
 
90scane said:
As for Toney, this is another sign of failures. RayRay and the cuse transfer.

Moore, he would be behind Horton but we couldn’t keep him.

Sooo we pump the replacements hoping they can save us.
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You make some good points but I think the big picture is much better than prior off seasons. We have a lot of veterans leading this team and are only relying on a few true freshmen to step up.

Beck Supersenior
Daniels Supersenior
Fletcher 3 Years
Entire OL 3-5 years

Mesidor Supersenior
Bain 3 Years
Moten Senior
Blay Supersenior
Toure Competing with McCormick
Wes Senior
Chase Smith Supersenior
Poyser 3 Years
Brantley Supersenior
Scott Supersenior

Toney is really the only true freshmen who is probably "needed" to compete the first team in that he's just too good not to start or rotate in vs. Notre Dame. After him, at least one of the other two freshmen WRs will probably be tapped for meaningful snaps. I'm not sure if anyone else will be "needed" barring injury at Safety or Tight End. Wiley, Fitzgerald, Lowe are freak athletes that we want to rotate in to gain experience, along with Simpson and one or both Tight Ends.
 
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if you're a team with deep playoff runs in you, you need every body possible to contribute in any way. You will play 16-17 games now to win a title.

So that means you absolutely need some true freshman to contribute in some way -- even if it's just for a few plays or series. It was much simpler in the age of having to go 12-0 to leave guys on the sidelines and save RS seasons

But those days are from a bygone era in college football
 
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k9cane said:
if you're a team with deep playoff runs in you, you need every body possible to contribute in any way. You will play 16-17 games now to win a title.

So that means you absolutely need some true freshman to contribute in some way -- even if it's just for a few plays or series. It was much simpler in the age of having to go 12-0 to leave guys on the sidelines and save RS seasons

But those days are from a bygone era in college football
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Very good point & That’s the whole reason they made that rule about being able to play in 4 games and still Redshirt
 
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