The Arch hype train is derailing already

[Ghurd8]

As a Vikings fan, it's actually insane how he misses layups still. He has the arm talent, good athlete, but his mechanics are still outta whack, he's trying to throw through the receiver every time, and can't play 2 games without being injured. When he came to Minnesota, he said that he had to "(re)learn how to play QB." And it's year 3, and he may get traded this weekend.

It may cost KOC his job, which would suck.

**end rant**

Rough helpind Darnold turn around just to pivot to someone unplayable. I'm a panthers fan... so you know, it could always be worst.

As an aside, I'd still take Kevin in a heartbeat if he was fired.

 

[E1k]

One of the reasons he’s getting so much hype this year is because texas had a very mid supporting cast around him last year and be finished the year well in spite of that

So people are thinking more talent around him automatically means he takes a leap. They’re giving him the benefit of the doubt because he’s a 5star recruit, he’s a Manning, he’s at a top sec school

He’s rawer than Eli and Peyton were, maybe its the era idk but his footwork to accuracy being this underdeveloped is surprising. Eli and peyton have an annual qb camp so i would have thought he would be fundamental sound but hey maybe thats me falling for the manning hype lol

 

[DMoney]

When it comes to quarterback, I've learned to look at three things: physical tools, instincts and football character. Things like footwork and release are lower on the list for me. They can be taught IF (and this is a big if) there is natural twitch in the feet and arm.

Physical tools are self-explanatory. The more you can do, the better you can be. The best quarterbacks have some special traits.

Instincts are critical and separate from learned skills. Anthony Richardson had elite physical tools, but he had no instincts. The clearest tell that Richardson lacked instincts was his running. He was never a great runner in college or high school. Compare that to someone like Jalen Hurts who dominated with his legs.

The last one is basic. You need your quarterback to have good football character- works on his game, plays tough, keeps his head on the field.

When you look at the best quarterbacks in the world, they always checked these boxes. Many of them had major questions coming out- Josh Allen was inaccurate, Pat Mahomes made wild decisions, Lamar Jackson was raw as a passer. But they got better with time and coaching.

Arch has more pedigree but falls in a similar bucket. He's a big athlete with an arm who needs technical work. I like his mental toughness and I think his pocket navigation and running ability reflect his natural instincts. As he continues to refine his game, I expect him to make leaps.

 

[305407cane]

One of the reasons he’s getting so much hype this year is because texas had a very mid supporting cast around him last year and be finished the year well in spite of that

So people are thinking more talent around him automatically means he takes a leap. They’re giving him the benefit of the doubt because he’s a 5star recruit, he’s a Manning, he’s at a top sec school

He’s rawer than Eli and Peyton were, maybe its the era idk but his footwork to accuracy being this underdeveloped is surprising. Eli and peyton have an annual qb camp so i would have thought he would be fundamental sound but hey maybe thats me falling for the manning hype lol

His supporting cast was mid? Man idk about all that. That was like a top 5 blue chip ratio team last year. Ryan wingo was at receiver etc

 

[passitback]

Anything short of dominance is a let down for Arch Manning. He's been hyped up for years. His production hasn't lived up to the hype.

He has time to change that. Maybe he will, maybe he won't.

IDGAF what that man does with himself, so long he isn't beating us, he can throw for a gazillion yards and be the best football player in the history of all history, lol.

That said, **** Arch, **** Texas, and **** every single team that aint this U!

 

[ShadowSpring]

When it comes to quarterback, I've learned to look at three things: physical tools, instincts and football character. Things like footwork and release are lower on the list for me. They can be taught IF (and this is a big if) there is natural twitch in the feet and arm.

Physical tools are self-explanatory. The more you can do, the better you can be. The best quarterbacks have some special traits.

Instincts are critical and separate from learned skills. Anthony Richardson had elite physical tools, but he had no instincts. The clearest tell that Richardson lacked instincts was his running. He was never a great runner in college or high school. Compare that to someone like Jalen Hurts who dominated with his legs.

The last one is basic. You need your quarterback to have good football character- works on his game, plays tough, keeps his head on the field.

When you look at the best quarterbacks in the world, they always checked these boxes. Many of them had major questions coming out- Josh Allen was inaccurate, Pat Mahomes made wild decisions, Lamar Jackson was raw as a passer. But they got better with time and coaching.

Arch has more pedigree but falls in a similar bucket. He's a big athlete with an arm who needs technical work. I like his mental toughness and I think his pocket navigation and running ability reflect his natural instincts. As he continues to refine his game, I expect him to make leaps.

He's had the best coaching in the world and here we are acting like he's some raw kid out of small town Nebraska. I just don't see these huge leaps coming. He is what he is, a flawed player. The #1 pick is ridiculous.

 

[AllAboutTheU]

When you look at the best quarterbacks in the world, they always checked these boxes. Many of them had major questions coming out- Josh Allen was inaccurate, Pat Mahomes made wild decisions, Lamar Jackson was raw as a passer. But they got better with time and coaching.

None of these guys were as heralded, received as much elite level training or played with as much talent as Arch Manning. And comparing him to 3 of the most developmental arcs in the history of the position seems like a massive reach at this point.

 

[DTP]

He’s just not a very good passer. He’s much more of an athlete than a quarterback and he still needs a lot of work throwing the ball. The Bo Nix comparisons are apt.

 

[NicKane]

Arch is a stud.

He’s big as ****, he runs for 60-yard TDs and he can throw.

He dealt with unprecedented media noise, played behind a horrible OL, didn’t complain and still finished strong.

He’s not a finished product and he has a lot of work to do as a passer. But I’d rather have a tough gamer with big tools than a polished player with no upside.

I’ll take the Arch stock anybody wants to sell.

This post makes me further question your ability to evaluate anything on the football field D. This is almost on par with old Petey boy digging in his heels last year that our defensive line wasn’t very good. Arch is just not a good quarterback, dude, I don’t know what in the world you see but at the end of last season, he was average at best! And word is in camp, he ain’t doing too good this year either.

 

[NicKane]

There are legit concerns about his game. But he also improved dramatically the last half of last season.

He was actually just average at Best in the second half of last season versus this media lead story that he was somehow really good at the end of last season. That’s laughable, he was average at Best. It only looked good because the first half of last years season He was so awful that he needed to be benched. From what I’ve seen of three years of this kid, he is not a good quarterback. End of story.

 

[CanesDynasty]

He was actually just average at Best in the second half of last season versus this media lead story that he was somehow really good at the end of last season. That’s laughable, he was average at Best. It only looked good because the first half of last years season He was so awful that he needed to be benched. From what I’ve seen of three years of this kid, he is not a good quarterback. End of story.

I couldn't agree more. This breakdown is worth watching if you enjoy laughing

 

[TooColdToHold]

When it comes to quarterback, I've learned to look at three things: physical tools, instincts and football character. Things like footwork and release are lower on the list for me. They can be taught IF (and this is a big if) there is natural twitch in the feet and arm.

Physical tools are self-explanatory. The more you can do, the better you can be. The best quarterbacks have some special traits.

Instincts are critical and separate from learned skills. Anthony Richardson had elite physical tools, but he had no instincts. The clearest tell that Richardson lacked instincts was his running. He was never a great runner in college or high school. Compare that to someone like Jalen Hurts who dominated with his legs.

The last one is basic. You need your quarterback to have good football character- works on his game, plays tough, keeps his head on the field.

When you look at the best quarterbacks in the world, they always checked these boxes. Many of them had major questions coming out- Josh Allen was inaccurate, Pat Mahomes made wild decisions, Lamar Jackson was raw as a passer. But they got better with time and coaching.

Arch has more pedigree but falls in a similar bucket. He's a big athlete with an arm who needs technical work. I like his mental toughness and I think his pocket navigation and running ability reflect his natural instincts. As he continues to refine his game, I expect him to make leaps.

LOL, the grandson of an NFL QB and nephew of two Super Bowl winners just needs a little more technical training. Not to mention that he has played three years under a widely regarded offensive guru and former D1 QB.

 

[E1k]

His supporting cast was mid? Man idk about all that. That was like a top 5 blue chip ratio team last year. Ryan wingo was at receiver etc

Yes they were mid. You’re talking about on paper..Alabama had the highest blue chip rating last year look what happened to them, A&M was top5 as well did either one look like a top5 team? Penn state had a higher blue chip ratio than us last year, franklin got fired

Wingo was the only weapon they had, they still felt they needed to drop millions on coleman to be the wr1. They dropped millions to get another rb, and to revamp the oline

They were mid asf. Its hard to believe because they recruit well but we should know that doesn’t just equal success.

 

[E1k]

Yes they were mid. You’re talking about on paper..Alabama had the highest blue chip rating last year look what happened to them, A&M was top5 as well did either one look like a top5 team? Penn state had a higher blue chip ratio than us last year, franklin got fired

Wingo was the only weapon they had, they still felt they needed to drop millions on coleman to be the wr1. They dropped millions to get another rb, and to revamp the oline

They were mid asf. Its hard to believe because they recruit well but we should know that doesn’t just equal success.

More evidence of them being mid lol

 

[ShadowSpring]

More evidence of them being mid lol

Point taken

 

[Dre]

When it comes to quarterback, I've learned to look at three things: physical tools, instincts and football character. Things like footwork and release are lower on the list for me. They can be taught IF (and this is a big if) there is natural twitch in the feet and arm.

Physical tools are self-explanatory. The more you can do, the better you can be. The best quarterbacks have some special traits.

Instincts are critical and separate from learned skills. Anthony Richardson had elite physical tools, but he had no instincts. The clearest tell that Richardson lacked instincts was his running. He was never a great runner in college or high school. Compare that to someone like Jalen Hurts who dominated with his legs.

The last one is basic. You need your quarterback to have good football character- works on his game, plays tough, keeps his head on the field.

When you look at the best quarterbacks in the world, they always checked these boxes. Many of them had major questions coming out- Josh Allen was inaccurate, Pat Mahomes made wild decisions, Lamar Jackson was raw as a passer. But they got better with time and coaching.

Arch has more pedigree but falls in a similar bucket. He's a big athlete with an arm who needs technical work. I like his mental toughness and I think his pocket navigation and running ability reflect his natural instincts. As he continues to refine his game, I expect him to make leaps.

I believe the one part you're giving too much grace for is the Josh Allen piece. Josh Allen is the exception to the rule. Inaccurate QBs rarely magically figure it out like he did.

When you watch Arch and see the throws he misses it is shocking. He may have instincts but the product isn't any different than Anthony Richardson when you're routinely erratic. 3 Arch games with under 50% completion percentage last year, including an 11/25 vs UTEP. Highest percentage vs a Power 4 was 21/27 vs Oklahoma and that went for a total of 166 yards.

Last name doing most of the work.

 

[theribdoctor]

I believe the one part you're giving too much grace for is the Josh Allen piece. Josh Allen is the exception to the rule. Inaccurate QBs rarely magically figure it out like he did.

When you watch Arch and see the throws he misses it is shocking. He may have instincts but the product isn't any different than Anthony Richardson when you're routinely erratic. 3 Arch games with under 50% completion percentage last year, including an 11/25 vs UTEP. Highest percentage vs a Power 4 was 21/27 vs Oklahoma and that went for a total of 166 yards.

Last name doing most of the work.

Josh Allen is still inaccurate. He'll give you something amazing, and then throw like 4-5 int's in a row...until he can win anything in the post season, he's tony romo.

 

[Gsugradcanefan]

The media hype train is already in full motion as they're starting to lotion Marshall Manning (Peyton's son). He's the freshman starting QB on his school's varsity team and ESPN has been broadcasting his school's games.

 

[Plymouth9]

The media hype train is already in full motion as they're starting to lotion Marshall Manning (Peyton's son). He's the freshman starting QB on his school's varsity team and ESPN has been broadcasting his school's games.

He is not the starter at Baylor High School. But, he does see playing time.

 

[mosthated305]

When it comes to quarterback, I've learned to look at three things: physical tools, instincts and football character. Things like footwork and release are lower on the list for me. They can be taught IF (and this is a big if) there is natural twitch in the feet and arm.

Physical tools are self-explanatory. The more you can do, the better you can be. The best quarterbacks have some special traits.

Instincts are critical and separate from learned skills. Anthony Richardson had elite physical tools, but he had no instincts. The clearest tell that Richardson lacked instincts was his running. He was never a great runner in college or high school. Compare that to someone like Jalen Hurts who dominated with his legs.

The last one is basic. You need your quarterback to have good football character- works on his game, plays tough, keeps his head on the field.

When you look at the best quarterbacks in the world, they always checked these boxes. Many of them had major questions coming out- Josh Allen was inaccurate, Pat Mahomes made wild decisions, Lamar Jackson was raw as a passer. But they got better with time and coaching.

Arch has more pedigree but falls in a similar bucket. He's a big athlete with an arm who needs technical work. I like his mental toughness and I think his pocket navigation and running ability reflect his natural instincts. As he continues to refine his game, I expect him to make leaps.

Not seeing the mental toughness you are talking about it. I see a kid that has been babied and told was the next great one his whole life. Not his fault and he's a good kid but he also never attended any camps. I want QBs who want to go prove they are better than everyone else and not just settle for being told you're great.

Like someone else stated, it looks like he's pressing trying to live up to an unattainable hype. He will never been Peyton but maybe he could be Eli level. If he was as mentally tough as you say then the hype wouldn't bother him and he would be able to go out and play free.