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That last drive…

P-Tizzle said:
Yes, I know we got to UL 32 yard line with :30 to play and still three timeouts. But the drive started on our 15 either way four minutes to play and 3 timeouts. My post is responding to where you said we had decent field position. That last drive didn’t start with decent field position.

The problem is that it took 3 1/2 minutes to only get the the 30 yard line. Typically with :30 left play, you’re either kicking the extra point after the go ahead score, or it’s at the goal line….not still 30 more yards to go. That entire drive play calling and execution was a video of what NOT to do.
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So, I agree with you. We ended up in good field position, didnt start there. The problem was the time it took to get into scoring position . No chunk plays. Slow to the line. My original point remains- the goal of the drive was FG attempt, never a TD.
 
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Stats02 said:
Looked to me we were relieved and happy to be in FG range and were just trying to pick up a few more yards to make the FG a little easier.

That play call after we got the 1st down told me all I needed to know. We throw a 3-4 yard out to Lofton. Even if the ball doesn't get tipped and Lofton makes the catch, the LB is there to tackle him for minimal gain and the clock still running. That means we either have to take our 2nd TO or hurry up to the line and run another play, losing valuable seconds. If we were inside the 10 yard line, that play would have been fine, but we still had 30+ yards to go with 36 seconds left. We were not going to take a shot downfield or over the middle. Dawson was only going to dink and dunk to the sidelines and hope that one of our guys would make a play by breaking a tackle, or was hoping for a Louisville mistake.
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I think we all misread this play after watching the video @skyman posted in another thread ( ~24:55 mark). Carson thought he was under pressure and went to the hot route. I don't think the plan on that play was to throw a 3-4 yard out route. @gogeta4 should Lofton even have been expected to adjust his route since he saw Capers was tracking him and not blitzing?
 
U2Cane said:
Im talking the pace( or lack of it) of the drive, the short passes. I have not broken the film down, so yes maybe no one is ever open. If thats the case then what has the staff done all off - season regarding WR's and TE's?
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I don't know, but you can't hit the waiver wire midseason. No one "fixes" their talent deficiencies in October.
 
flips said:
I think we all misread this play after watching the video @skyman posted in another thread ( ~24:55 mark). Carson thought he was under pressure and went to the hot route. I don't think the plan on that play was to throw a 3-4 yard out route. @gogeta4 should Lofton even have been expected to adjust his route since he saw Capers was tracking him and not blitzing?
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Murray also said Cici should have gone out and met that blitzer instead of letting him get upfield and that’s what caused the tip.
 
To me, it was clear:

- Miami was trying to protect field position at all cost
- Was trying to work down field with safe, low risk, high reward plays
- 3 TOs gave plenty of time for potentially 3-4 shots at endzone and FG as backup

Life had other plans.

Again.

and again

and agai

and again

The Canes are just simply cursed.

Watching Ole Miss vs UGA...our Canes offense has no business whatsovever being in the same stadium as these two squads...and they might be somewhere in Top 3-7 teams right now.

🤷‍♂️
 
sdaly12 said:
I am sure Mario will utter his analytics nonsense as well. game was there tom be had but we did lack killer instinct. the 2 yard int. was there to improve FG distance. great teams do not play for a tie at home with all things trending positively
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nonsense he was out coached, he was out prepared & outplayed
not sure what game you were even watching.
 
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CaneFanWNY said:
https://americanfootballdatabase.fandom.com/wiki/Marty_Ball

Had one year with an NFL QB showing how prolific an offense could be, even with an ooga booga run scheme, and Mario still went right back to Marty-ball like Pookie hitting the spoon

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You can hate gattis and his route concepts that put all of the receivers into the same spot of the field, you can hate Dawson and his weird tendency of calling dumb **** in the redzone, but both offenses did the very same things that have been and will continue to be the endemic issue of this team on that side of the ball and in the overall grand scheme of championship success.

I’m bipolar and my thought processes ride the highs and lows like a mf (pause) and therefore I try to not reactively porst as much as I used to, but one thing I’ve been consistent within my line of thinking is:

The common denominator of this issue starts at the top, and the common denominator needs to have a Dabo Swinney moment of realization & deviate away from whatever vision it is that we keep trying to **** two sticks together in hopes of creating a fire, because it’s not working in terms of the success that’s being aimed for.

Do you wanna win, or do you wanna win your way??
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We don’t have the personnel to do what we did last year. Beck just threw 5 interceptions lol you want us to operate like we have a NFL qb?
 
E1k said:
We don’t have the personnel to do what we did last year. Beck just threw 5 interceptions lol you want us to operate like we have a NFL qb?
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At a bare minimum, I want Miami’s offense to put its skill players in a position where they can get the ball; without it having to feel like they’re going through 10 rounds in the ring beforehand, every single time. An NFL QB isn’t required to run modernized sets that utilize space and getting the ball out of their hand quickly, concisely and away from the teeth of the defense.

The offensive identity (condensed phonebooth formations leaning into the short side of the field, face diving the RB in the middle for the first 2 downs *or a 2nd down screen into traffic instead of another ooga booga run up the gut* and the occasional long developing play with a tall, immobile and eventually shellshocked QB) have been the same things that’ve remained as a constant through 2 different OCs; with Cam Ward’s ability to extend plays being the only outlier, and therein lies my philosophical issue with the approach.

This most likely isn’t a conversation if mateer came here instead of Oklahoma, but he didn’t. Was Beck the backup option to mateer, or was beck the only available option because the HC star chases on QB A into the 11th hour, retroactively limiting fallback plans if it doesn’t work out?
****’s frustrating
 
CaneFanWNY said:
At a bare minimum, I want Miami’s offense to put its skill players in a position where they can get the ball; without it having to feel like they’re going through 10 rounds in the ring beforehand, every single time. An NFL QB isn’t required to run modernized sets that utilize space and getting the ball out of their hand quickly, concisely and away from the teeth of the defense.

The offensive identity (condensed phonebooth formations leaning into the short side of the field, face diving the RB in the middle for the first 2 downs *or a 2nd down screen into traffic instead of another ooga booga run up the gut* and the occasional long developing play with a tall, immobile and eventually shellshocked QB) have been the same things that’ve remained as a constant through 2 different OCs; with Cam Ward’s ability to extend plays being the only outlier, and therein lies my philosophical issue with the approach.

This most likely isn’t a conversation if mateer came here instead of Oklahoma, but he didn’t. Was Beck the backup option to mateer, or was beck the only available option because the HC star chases on QB A into the 11th hour, retroactively limiting fallback plans if it doesn’t work out?
****’s frustrating
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I agree but im saying we didn’t just pull back the scheme because mario wanted it this way. We have no choice, this philosophy is probably the best way to maximize this team with beck at qb

On top of that we don’t have weapons on offense like last year, so yea dawson has to do a better job scheming but the players have to get open and make plays. Someone other than CJ and Toney have to step up

And it would be a conversation with mateer he is about the same level as beck but a worse fit here. Beck was one of if not the best option we had
 
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sdaly12 said:
nonsense he was out coached, he was out prepared & outplayed
not sure what game you were even watching.
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agree with everything you said, funny I texted those same comments to a Tide fan early Sat. point being is as bad as we played we still had a shot!
last play call looked flat out weird 2 yard toss with time running out ?
 
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