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WestEndzone said:
Consigliere said:
WestEndzone said:
Does anyone remember that he coached some of the greatest secondaries in CFB history (01-03)?
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Does anyone remember that coach that coached some of the defenses in CFB history (01-05)?
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You clearly didn't take my comment on its face. I don't appreciate the assumptions and the sarcasm.

Douchery notwithstanding, I'll respectfully reply to your comment. Randy's defenses as a whole got progressively worse. He rode on Schiano's coattails. The secondaries were consistently good under Stoops.
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I'm saying success once doesn't always lead to success another time. I think Stoops is in the wait and see category.
 
nycane said:
butch was a coordinator. golden was an HC.
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So you take another gamble when we haven't won 10 games since 2003? It'll be hiring another learning on the job coach, an unknown. In regards to Golden, I'm talking about hiring a coach who has won 10 games or a conference championship. Like what Urban did at Utah, Brian Kelly did at Cincinnati, or Charlie Strong did at Louisville.
 
Consigliere said:
WestEndzone said:
Consigliere said:
WestEndzone said:
Does anyone remember that he coached some of the greatest secondaries in CFB history (01-03)?
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Does anyone remember that coach that coached some of the defenses in CFB history (01-05)?
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You clearly didn't take my comment on its face. I don't appreciate the assumptions and the sarcasm.

Douchery notwithstanding, I'll respectfully reply to your comment. Randy's defenses as a whole got progressively worse. He rode on Schiano's coattails. The secondaries were consistently good under Stoops.
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I'm saying success once doesn't always lead to success another time. I think Stoops is in the wait and see category.
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Very true. I like Stoops as an X's and O's guy. If he can prove to be a good CEO while at KY, then he might be a solid candidate. We might need to wait for fair data -- it's his first gig.
 
Want. I've been thinking about this since the Louisville game, and I think he'd be an awesome hire. I think he'd come too.
 
One of the best options we might have. Not sure he'd leave UK to come here though. Would be at a similar salary or paycut.
 
Consigliere said:
Coordinators are hired all the time. Everyone can't have HC experience, these guys aren't born HCs.

David Shaw was a coordinator. Mark Helfrich was a coordinator. Bob Stoops was a coordinator.
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I think you and I have a misunderstanding. I'm quite aware every HC, whether college or pros, was a position coach or coordinator at some point in their careers. I'm saying where we are as a program now, i.e. (3 straight failed HCs) we shouldn't be putting ourselves in a position to hire another coordinator who will be learning on the job. Let a top coordinator prove himself by going to a school in the Big East, Conference USA, etc. and then we can consider hiring him but not directly hire a coordinator when we haven't won 10 games in 10 years.
 
JustCanesBaby said:
Consigliere said:
Coordinators are hired all the time. Everyone can't have HC experience, these guys aren't born HCs.

David Shaw was a coordinator. Mark Helfrich was a coordinator. Bob Stoops was a coordinator.
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I think you and I have a misunderstanding. I'm quite aware every HC, whether college or pros, was a position coach or coordinator at some point in their careers. I'm saying where we are as a program now, i.e. (3 straight failed HCs) we shouldn't be putting ourselves in a position to hire another coordinator who will be learning on the job. Let a top coordinator prove himself by going to a school in the Big East, Conference USA, etc. and then we can consider hiring him but not directly hire a coordinator when we haven't won 10 games in 10 years.
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So you want to hire someone similar to Al Golden? If you wouldn't mind, throw out some names that fit your criteria.

For me it isn't about success at x,y,z. Its about would the potential new coach bring one side of the ball to an elite level from an Xs and Os standpoint (whether it be D or O)? For instance, Golden had success at Temple, however, he is a defensive coach who doesn't bring an elite defense with him. Ideally, that same coach would be able to have a coaching circle so that he could bring in coordinators that would make both sides of the ball elite.

IMO, that is why guys like Stoops, Narduzzi, Montgomery, etc are guys who I would give a look to because they immediately strengthen one side of the ball.
 
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We got a problem.

Half the coaches we want - don't want to come here.

The other half - we can't afford.

The third half - they don't have any track record, other than being a good coordinator. (Shannonesque)

And the fourth half - the number of coaches who we can afford, who want to come here, who are proven and experienced, who know the Miami expectations - currently number only - ONE.
 
UMFarArcher said:
We got a problem.

Half the coaches we want - don't want to come here.

The other half - we can't afford.

The third half - they don't have any track record, other than being a good coordinator. (Shannonesque)

And the fourth half - the number of coaches who we can afford, who want to come here, who are proven and experienced, who know the Miami expectations - currently number only - ONE.
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Throw in there that THE guy is likely one his way somewhere else, mainly and NFL gig, using his 4-5 year success story here as a resume building stepping stone. And, I'm good with that. Then bring in the next climber, as long as he kicks *** here.
 
UMFarArcher said:
We got a problem.

Half the coaches we want - don't want to come here.

The other half - we can't afford.

The third half - they don't have any track record, other than being a good coordinator. (Shannonesque)

And the fourth half - the number of coaches who we can afford, who want to come here, who are proven and experienced, who know the Miami expectations - currently number only - ONE.
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I think everyone would be on board with Butch. I have no faith that the admin would actually hire him.
 
DiegoCane said:
So you want to hire someone similar to Al Golden? If you wouldn't mind, throw out some names that fit your criteria.

For me it isn't about success at x,y,z. Its about would the potential new coach bring one side of the ball to an elite level from an Xs and Os standpoint (whether it be D or O)? For instance, Golden had success at Temple, however, he is a defensive coach who doesn't bring an elite defense with him. Ideally, that same coach would be able to have a coaching circle so that he could bring in coordinators that would make both sides of the ball elite.

IMO, that is why guys like Stoops, Narduzzi, Montgomery, etc are guys who I would give a look to because they immediately strengthen one side of the ball.
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No, not an Al Golden type. An Urban Meyer at Utah type, a Brian Kelly at Cincinnati type, a Charlie Strong at Louisville type. We need a coach who has won something, at least 10 games or a conference title. I like Hugh Freeze.
 
JustCanesBaby said:
DiegoCane said:
So you want to hire someone similar to Al Golden? If you wouldn't mind, throw out some names that fit your criteria.

For me it isn't about success at x,y,z. Its about would the potential new coach bring one side of the ball to an elite level from an Xs and Os standpoint (whether it be D or O)? For instance, Golden had success at Temple, however, he is a defensive coach who doesn't bring an elite defense with him. Ideally, that same coach would be able to have a coaching circle so that he could bring in coordinators that would make both sides of the ball elite.

IMO, that is why guys like Stoops, Narduzzi, Montgomery, etc are guys who I would give a look to because they immediately strengthen one side of the ball.
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No, not an Al Golden type. An Urban Meyer at Utah type, a Brian Kelly at Cincinnati type, a Charlie Strong at Louisville type. We need a coach who has won something, at least 10 games or a conference title. I like Hugh Freeze.
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Freeze make 3 million a year. He's nothing like Meyer at BGSU or Utah or Kelly at Cincy.
 
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DiegoCane said:
Freeze make 3 million a year. He's nothing like Meyer at BGSU or Utah or Kelly at Cincy.
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Who cares how much he makes? He hasn't stayed at a school long enough like Meyer or Kelly did. I think had he stayed at Arkansas state he would've had a similar winning percentage but the point I'm making is he's won something and is considered a top offensive coach. Taking another coordinator is a huge risk as we haven't won 10 games in 10 years. So why do it? UF can afford a learning on the job coach like Muschamp because Urban Meyer won championships, SEC and Nat'l, during his tenure. We haven't done anything since 2003.
 
JustCanesBaby said:
DiegoCane said:
Freeze make 3 million a year. He's nothing like Meyer at BGSU or Utah or Kelly at Cincy.
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Who cares how much he makes? He hasn't stayed at a school long enough like Meyer or Kelly did. I think had he stayed at Arkansas state he would've had a similar winning percentage but the point I'm making is he's won something and is considered a top offensive coach. Taking another coordinator is a huge risk as we haven't won 10 games in 10 years. So why do it? UF can afford a learning on the job coach like Muschamp because Urban Meyer won championships, SEC and Nat'l, during his tenure. We haven't done anything since 2003.
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Because it isn't realistic.

I like Freeze but he isn't taking a half a mill paycut to come here. I could throw out a bunch of names that would be great hires but they aren't realistic.
 
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