Tell me Stoops shouldn't be our next Coach

[Hurracanes]

Would love him. He was an amazing coach here and at FSU.

 

[JustCanesBaby]

Because it isn't realistic.

I like Freeze but he isn't taking a half a mill paycut to come here. I could throw out a bunch of names that would be great hires but they aren't realistic.

Realistic? It isn't unrealistic to hire a successful coach from a lower-tier school. Can we finally agree UM fans don't know sh*t and just throw out myths believing they're true?

All people ever talk about is Miami doesn't have money to hire anyone or will only consider the same names we've been throwing out since 2006. What is this based on? Larry Coker was one of the highest paid coaches when he was here. We supposedly were considering Jon Gruden as well and he wouldn't have been cheap.

No one knows who UM would consider and how much money they have to spend it's all assumptions.

 

[Canesfan1899]

He's not taking this job.

Why? It would be a step from a lower tier SEC school, he has coached at UM before, and knows the talent pool in south florida.,

 

[DiegoCane]

Because it isn't realistic.

I like Freeze but he isn't taking a half a mill paycut to come here. I could throw out a bunch of names that would be great hires but they aren't realistic.

Realistic? It isn't unrealistic to hire a successful coach from a lower-tier school. Can we finally agree UM fans don't know sh*t and just throw out myths believing they're true?

All people ever talk about is Miami doesn't have money to hire anyone or will only consider the same names we've been throwing out since 2006. What is this based on? Larry Coker was one of the highest paid coaches when he was here. We supposedly were considering Jon Gruden as well and he wouldn't have been cheap.

No one knows who UM would consider and how much money they have to spend it's all assumptions.

The entire history of Miami football.

Why Freeze? Lets throw 10 mill a year at Saban. IF not I'm throwing 8-9 at Chip Kelly and stealing him from the Eagles.

This should be an easy search this time considering we have unlimited money.

 

[drifters1234]

Because it isn't realistic.

I like Freeze but he isn't taking a half a mill paycut to come here. I could throw out a bunch of names that would be great hires but they aren't realistic.

Realistic? It isn't unrealistic to hire a successful coach from a lower-tier school. Can we finally agree UM fans don't know sh*t and just throw out myths believing they're true?

All people ever talk about is Miami doesn't have money to hire anyone or will only consider the same names we've been throwing out since 2006. What is this based on? Larry Coker was one of the highest paid coaches when he was here. We supposedly were considering Jon Gruden as well and he wouldn't have been cheap.

No one knows who UM would consider and how much money they have to spend it's all assumptions.

The entire history of Miami football.

Why Freeze? Lets throw 10 mill a year at Saban. IF not I'm throwing 8-9 at Chip Kelly and stealing him from the Eagles.

This should be an easy search this time considering we have unlimited money.

No to Chip Kelly. He's unproven. Didn't even win a national title before he was chased off to the NFL.

 

[IHATETHISPLACE]

Stoops would certainly listen if UM called. Freeze would laugh in Miami's face if they called him unless he has a bad year this year and they want him out.

 

[cowboycane]

I am not sure Hugh Freeze's Bible Camp bull**** would play down here like it does in the Deep South.

He's a religious guy, so what?

All these coaches claim to be religious guys. Freeze is a Bible thumping, born again weirdo. Again, plays with certain fan bases, but I am not so sure it would work here. No one is begrudging the man his religion, but when even people at Ole ******* Miss (brother is an alum) think it is a little over the top, I don't see it working out in Miami.

 

[JustCanesBaby]

The entire history of Miami football.

Why Freeze? Lets throw 10 mill a year at Saban. IF not I'm throwing 8-9 at Chip Kelly and stealing him from the Eagles.

This should be an easy search this time considering we have unlimited money.

I'm really curious to hear about our history on paying coaches. Do tell.

Moreover, now you're just distorting my original statements. This idea that we can only find 1-2 million dollar coaches baffles me. This myth that we don't have money is never substantiated.

I look at Miami as a top school in the college football world. If a coach comes here and has success he would not leave for another college coaching job. To mention Saban or Kelly reveals to me that you are completely missing my argument, which was never stated that Miami has some unlimited cap. If Miami can't afford to get a coach from a school like Ole Miss or any other lower-tier school then we have bigger problems because the college football landscape will just get more competitive with salaries.

I chose Freeze because he's rarely mentioned and has had significant success. I don't like coordinators and I am also curious about Jim McElwain and David Shaw. If there's anything Miami's football history reveals is that it will hire a coach who has showed success at a lower-tier school or position, but not that it doesn't have money.

 

[IHATETHISPLACE]

The entire history of Miami football.

Why Freeze? Lets throw 10 mill a year at Saban. IF not I'm throwing 8-9 at Chip Kelly and stealing him from the Eagles.

This should be an easy search this time considering we have unlimited money.

I'm really curious to hear about our history on paying coaches. Do tell.

Moreover, now you're just distorting my original statements. This idea that we can only find 1-2 million dollar coaches baffles me. This myth that we don't have money is never substantiated.

I look at Miami as a top school in the college football world. If a coach comes here and has success he would not leave for another college coaching job. To mention Saban or Kelly reveals to me that you are completely missing my argument, which was never stated that Miami has some unlimited cap. If Miami can't afford to get a coach from a school like Ole Miss or any other lower-tier school then we have bigger problems because the college football landscape will just get more competitive with salaries.

I chose Freeze because he's rarely mentioned and has had significant success. I don't like coordinators and I am also curious about Jim McElwain and David Shaw. If there's anything Miami's football history reveals is that it will hire a coach who has showed success at a lower-tier school or position, but not that it doesn't have money.

How is Miami going to outbid Ole Miss for anything? Shaw would not leave where he is for Miami. McElwain would take the Miami job

 

[Consigliere]

Does anyone remember that he coached some of the greatest secondaries in CFB history (01-03)?

Does anyone remember that coach that coached some of the defenses in CFB history (01-05)?

You clearly didn't take my comment on its face. I don't appreciate the assumptions and the sarcasm.

Douchery notwithstanding, I'll respectfully reply to your comment. Randy's defenses as a whole got progressively worse. He rode on Schiano's coattails. The secondaries were consistently good under Stoops.

I'm saying success once doesn't always lead to success another time. I think Stoops is in the wait and see category.

Very true. I like Stoops as an X's and O's guy. If he can prove to be a good CEO while at KY, then he might be a solid candidate. We might need to wait for fair data -- it's his first gig.

Agreed.

 

[JustCanesBaby]

How is Miami going to outbid Ole Miss for anything? Shaw would not leave where he is for Miami. McElwain would take the Miami job

Except for the last statement how does Miami's fan base know all of this? Have we been in mediocrity so long we have such a low criteria?

Basically, this is what everyone assumes Miami will do:

1. Hire a coach for 2 million dollars max and anything more is unrealistic
2. Can't have any on-field or off-field incidents while they were coach
3. See 1

 

[Consigliere]

I think many of you assume you need to throw money to get quality.

Is Mack Brown quality? How about Kirk Ferentz? Brady Hoke?

There is no guaranty that simply throwing money at the problem will equate to wins. The Yankees don't win every year and they out spend everyone.

It is about making the right decisions not just a costly one. There are plenty of coaches available and really good who would be glad to take $2 Million (to start) and live in Coral Gables. It's not like you have to recruit 1000 miles away either.

 

[grogz26]

Jeremy Pruitt
Ed Oregeron
Butch Davis
Greg Schiano

 

[IHATETHISPLACE]

How is Miami going to outbid Ole Miss for anything? Shaw would not leave where he is for Miami. McElwain would take the Miami job

Except for the last statement how does Miami's fan base know all of this? Have we been in mediocrity so long we have such a low criteria?

Basically, this is what everyone assumes Miami will do:

1. Hire a coach for 2 million dollars max and anything more is unrealistic
2. Can't have any on-field or off-field incidents while they were coach
3. See 1

Well the Shaw thing is pretty simple no sane person would leave the Stanford job for the Miami job. I think Miami could spend over 2 mil but outbidding a school like Ole miss is unrealistic.

Why hire a coach that has incidents on or off the field when there are plenty of good candidates that have done everything right?

 

[DiegoCane]

The entire history of Miami football.

Why Freeze? Lets throw 10 mill a year at Saban. IF not I'm throwing 8-9 at Chip Kelly and stealing him from the Eagles.

This should be an easy search this time considering we have unlimited money.

I'm really curious to hear about our history on paying coaches. Do tell.

Moreover, now you're just distorting my original statements. This idea that we can only find 1-2 million dollar coaches baffles me. This myth that we don't have money is never substantiated.

I look at Miami as a top school in the college football world. If a coach comes here and has success he would not leave for another college coaching job. To mention Saban or Kelly reveals to me that you are completely missing my argument, which was never stated that Miami has some unlimited cap. If Miami can't afford to get a coach from a school like Ole Miss or any other lower-tier school then we have bigger problems because the college football landscape will just get more competitive with salaries.

I chose Freeze because he's rarely mentioned and has had significant success. I don't like coordinators and I am also curious about Jim McElwain and David Shaw. If there's anything Miami's football history reveals is that it will hire a coach who has showed success at a lower-tier school or position, but not that it doesn't have money.

You have your head in the sand sir. Bringing up guys like Freeze and Shaw shows this, Freeze makes 3.2, Shaw 3.0. They aren't leaving their schools for at best the same salary (we have never paid a coach more then Golden's 2.3 million).

Some schools that pay their HC more: Northwestern, Utah, Washington St, Kansas, Georgia Tech, Cincinnati, TCU

 

[Consigliere]

Some schools that pay their HC more: Northwestern, Utah, Washington St, Kansas, Georgia Tech, Cincinnati, TCU

And recently what do they get for that money?

 

[DiegoCane]

Some schools that pay their HC more: Northwestern, Utah, Washington St, Kansas, Georgia Tech, Cincinnati, TCU

And recently what do they get for that money?

Not my point, I think a good hire can be made for 2.5 million.

Pointing out to the poster that we don't have the money that a lot of mediocre schools have. And even if we do, the admin has shown they won't spend it for a HC.

 

[grogz26]

Lol at all these fans thinking Miami is going to get a proven winner at head coach

Why would any proven guy want to come into this **** storm of a fan base?

Jeremy Pruitt is probably best case

 

[Canesbball]

He shouldn't. He hasn't won or done anything. There are better options. Who cares what a coach shows from an emotional standpoint if they don't have it upstairs from a technical perspective? We don't need a ra-ra guy. We need a proven winner with a technical background.

Yet you'd keep Al Golden.


You know that ridiculous FSU defense from last year? He built it.

I don't see how you read the rest of my post and concluded I want to keep Al Golden. Al Golden is not a proven winner or technical guy. I don't care what defense Mark Stoops built. I'm not in favor of hiring coordinators or a guy without a resume. What top school does? I'd like to take a look at Hugh Freeze.

Tell that to Texas Tech who might have the biggest up and coming coach in CFB.

You wouldn't hire Oregon's OC Frost? Baylor's Montgomery? Lulz but ya lets look at Hugh Freeze who after next season when his monster class from last year leaves will be sucking extreme rod at Ole ****

 

[JustCanesBaby]

Tell that to Texas Tech who might have the biggest up and coming coach in CFB.

You wouldn't hire Oregon's OC Frost? Baylor's Montgomery? Lulz but ya lets look at Hugh Freeze who after next season when his monster class from last year leaves will be sucking extreme rod at Ole ****

We haven't won 10 games in 10 years but you're ok with hiring another unproven coach who will be learning on the job? Kliff Kingsbury hasn't done anything. He was blown out in a couple of games last year. For every Scott Frost(who I don't even think calls plays), there's a Dana Holgorsen, Will Muschamp, Gene Chizik, Charlie Weis, etc. Hugh Freeze sorta has a resume similar to Gus Malzahn. Highly successful high school football coach, high-powered offense and has won a conference championship. Besides he is only one example, I also like David Shaw and Jim McElwain. Hugh Freeze has a better resume than almost all names suggested except for Butch.

What top schools hire coordinators and have success? USC, Texas, UF, Alabama etc. have all had success by hiring a man who has won at lesser program. That was Sam Jankovich's whole coaching search criteria. I don't see how anyone can be opposed to hiring a head coach who has won 10 games or at least a conference championship.