Tell me about Chud

[INCaneFan]

And last time Chud was in college was 2003 at Miami. The year they wasted a **** good defense by not understanding where Berlin succeeded.

He wasn't as great of an offensive mind then.

Square peg, round hole. He was so caught up in running the offense the way he envisioned it that he didn't adapt to his personnel. Chud was blasted that year repeatedly since it was plain as day to all of the armchair QB's that Berlin was much better in the gun.

 

[DiegoCane]

Why haven't we heard his name at USCw or USCe?

Plus Chud personality is a wet blanket. He's so great offensively that he can't get an OC job in the NFL, Pagano had to give him a mercy hire or he would be unemployed.

You haven't heard his name because it's assumed he has no interest in returning to college (except for Miami).

And he could have easily gotten an OC job in the NFL this year. He was San Francisco's top target before Indy gave him a raise:

49ers miss out on Chudzinski, who?s staying with Colts | The Sacramento Bee

My concerns with Chud are recruiting and evaluation. To me, the only Chud scenario that would work is if he brought an associate head coach like Orgeron or Cristobal.

But if we're talking about Xs and Os, schematic advantage and "offensive-minded coaching," Chud gives you that.

The same article list Lane Kiffin as the front runner until he returned to Bama so I'm not convinced. Is that the same reason he was a TEs coach in 09-10 after he was fired as OC in Cleveland? His O in 2008 was 31st or 32.

I've yet to see a Chud coached offense have this schematic advantage you speak of. Certainly not at Miami in 03 when the offense cost us a chance at a NC

 

[01Canes]

And last time Chud was in college was 2003 at Miami. The year they wasted a **** good defense by not understanding where Berlin succeeded.

He wasn't as great of an offensive mind then.

Square peg, round hole. He was so caught up in running the offense the way he envisioned it that he didn't adapt to his personnel. Chud was blasted that year repeatedly since it was plain as day to all of the armchair QB's that Berlin was much better in the gun.

Coaches who don't adapt their schemes to their personnel are dog s*** in general. This paragraph from SI's Doug Farrar sums it up perfectly:

It seems like a simple conceit: Take a dynamic playmaker on either side of the ball, add him to your already impressive mixture of scheme and personnel, and the results will benefit everyone involved. It happens every year, but the inverse phenomenon seems just as common: A player's productivity nosedives because his talents don't fit the vision of a coaching staff, and everybody suffers for it.

The Redskins trying Albert Haynesworth as a two-gapping defensive tackle, the Buccaneers insisting that Darrelle Revis play passive zone defense, the Eagles trying to turn Nnamdi Asomugha into a safety, the Chiefs deeming Brandon Flowers expendable when they went to more of a man defense ... the road is littered with the careers of players who went to the wrong place and suffered for it, because a coaching staff refused to realize which players best fit their schemes and further refused to adapt to the players they had.

 

[DMoney]

I do genuinely respect your opinion D$ but where is the evidence that Chud is "one of the better offensive minds in the league"? The stats do not support this statement. He was a disaster in Cleveland, was pretty bad in Carolina, and is now severely under-achieving in Indy despite having one of the best young QB's in the league.

He had top 10 offenses with Derek Anderson and a rookie Cam Newton. I watched Newton a ton that year, and he had guys wide-open all over the field while he set rookie records. Carolina was the worst offensive team in the league the year before. Chud also adapted his style to Cam's running, which showed innovation and a willingness to adapt.

And since "considered one of the better offensive minds in the NFL" involves people's subjective opinion, here are some quotes:

Chudzinski has been one of the NFL's more innovative offensive minds the last few seasons.

Rob Chudzinski hired to be Cleveland Browns' coach - NFL.com

It seems head coach John Fox and GM Ryan Pace have an equally good eye for skill on the offensive side as well. That was demonstrated when word broke they requested to interview with Indianapolis Colts offensive consultant Rob Chudzinski. Recent memories of that name conjure images of his short stint as head coach of the Cleveland Browns that ended with a disappointing 4-12 record and an unceremonious early dismissal. What is lost in all of that is Chudzinski was and remains one of the most respected offensive minds in the game today. Despite no running game that season in Cleveland (no rusher got over 400 yards) his unit still ranked a respectable 18th in total yards and he managed to put wide receiver Josh Gordon and tight end Jordan Cameron in the Pro Bowl. That was despite no continuity at quarterback with Brian Hoyer, Brandon Weeden and Jason Campbell all logging starting time that year.

Chicago Bears Eye For Coordinator Talent Strikes Again With Rob Chudzinski

In his first year in Charlotte, Chudzinski took the league's worst-ranked offense in 2010 and transformed it into a top-10 unit. The Panthers finished with the most yards in their 17-year history, fueled by an innovative scheme that maximized the talents of rookie quarterback Cam Newton.

Inside the Panthers: Rob Chudzinski to talk with St. Louis

Chudzinski has the reputation of being an innovative offensive mind who is decent with personnel.

ESPN.com - Chudzinski hire creates confusion, no buzz

 

[maurice3p]

Rob Chudzinski:

In 2001, the Hurricanes won the national championship. A year later, the Canes offense set school records for points, total yards and rushing touchdowns. During his tenure at the University of Miami he coached three All-American tight ends: Bubba Franks, Jeremy Shockey, and Kellen Winslow II. He has coached both Winslow (Cleveland Browns) and Shockey (Carolina Panthers) in the NFL as well.

NFL:

In 2011, Chudzinski was named the Carolina Panthers offensive coordinator. He took one of the league's worst offenses in 2010 and transformed it into one of the top 10 offenses in 2011 with rookie quarterback Cam Newton. The Panthers finished seventh overall in the league on offense, fifth in points scored, and set a new franchise record for total yards in a season.

 

[maurice3p]

Since the BOT doesn't want Butch, I would be good with Chud. I'm sure he will hire a good staff, bring Cristobal and Schiano back.

 

[The Franchise]

So Dud took the number 1 overall draft pick and a transcendent talent and leader who made Gene Chizik a NC HC and improved Carolina's offense a little with him? Ok. He's got that going for him.

 

[WhatTheHell]

Nothing he did at Miami is impressive. Coker and Shannon were also coordinators of obscenely productive units at Miami during that run. If you had a pulse as a coordinator during our stretch of talent, you were going to put up numbers. You were basically coaching an NFL unit on each side of the ball vs college teams.

Also, why isn't it mentioned that in 2012 that Carolina offense of his slipped back down to #19th in the NFL?


So basically we're hiring a guy to be our head coach based on him improving an offense as an NFL as a coordinator after inheriting a stud QB? That's who some want in charge during the most important time for Miami football.

 

[DMoney]

So Dud took the number 1 overall draft pick and a transcendent talent and leader who made Gene Chizik a NC HC and improved Carolina's offense a little with him? Ok. He's got that going for him.

"Improved their offense a little?" They went from worst in the league to fifth in scoring.

And nobody expected Cam to set rookie records for passing. The knock on him was that he was exceedingly raw.

There is a lot more to being a college head coach than coaching offense. But I have no doubt he and Kaaya would light teams up.

 

[Cans4life]

My body is prepared for UM to name Chud as HC with Mario as associate HC.

 

[DiegoCane]

So Dud took the number 1 overall draft pick and a transcendent talent and leader who made Gene Chizik a NC HC and improved Carolina's offense a little with him? Ok. He's got that going for him.

"Improved their offense a little?" They went from worst in the league to fifth in scoring.

And nobody expected Cam to set rookie records for passing. The knock on him was that he was exceedingly raw.

There is a lot more to being a college head coach than coaching offense. But I have no doubt he and Kaaya would light teams up.

I do respect your opinion so I'm curious why you are so **** bent on a "pro-style" offense?

It doesn't fit our recruiting grounds.

 

[DMoney]

So basically we're hiring a guy to be our head coach based on him improving an offense as an NFL as a coordinator after inheriting a stud QB?

Would you consider Derek Anderson a stud QB? Chud sent him to the Pro Bowl and built a Top 10 offense around him.

I just think people are talking out of both sides of their mouths. They say "Miami doesn't need a recruiter," but then pine for Butch whose main skill is the ability to accumulate talent. They say we need an Xs and Os guy, but then **** on Chud who is a sought-after Xs and Os guy at the highest level.

The only hires that would make people happy are Butch and Herman. And I understand. They would make me happy, too. But Miami football isn't over if we don't hire one of those two.

My only hope is that we have a true coaching search and don't limit it to "Miami guys," "offensive guys," or "guys with head coaching experience." Cast a wide net and see who has the best plan for fixing this.

 

[DiegoCane]

By the way Chud's mentor, who can actually get hired for an OC job, Norv Turner's last 3 years as an OC:

2013: 17th
2014: 27th
2015: 30th (currently)

Its like hiring from the Al Groh coaching tree.

 

[DMoney]

I do respect your opinion so I'm curious why you are so **** bent on a "pro-style" offense?

It doesn't fit our recruiting grounds.

For one, it fits the players we already have. Particularly our franchise player. Of course, players come and go, and we need to have a long-view. But you have to at least think about short-term results considering that this is a turn-key team with a stud QB starting and a stud QB committed.

Moreover, I don't think a scheme that relies on QB running fits our recruiting grounds at all. How many great running QBs come out of South Florida? There are too many receivers here that need the ball. I am all for a passing spread, but I prefer pro-style reads to an Air-Raid. It is easier to recruit big time QB prospects when you can sell them on pro-style reads (see Josh Rosen and Christian Hackenberg). And any system we run should heavily utilize the tight end and running backs, since we have historically been able to land elite players at those positions.

 

[DMoney]

Coaches who don't adapt their schemes to their personnel are dog s*** in general.

Chud's greatest triumph was adapting his scheme to a rookie Cam Newton. You saw elements of both the 90s Cowboys and the Malzahn Tigers. I'm not worried about Chud's ability to adapt to his personnel at all.

 

[WhatTheHell]

So basically we're hiring a guy to be our head coach based on him improving an offense as an NFL as a coordinator after inheriting a stud QB?

Would you consider Derek Anderson a stud QB? Chud sent him to the Pro Bowl and built a Top 10 offense around him.

I just think people are talking out of both sides of their mouths. They say "Miami doesn't need a recruiter," but then pine for Butch whose main skill is the ability to accumulate talent. They say we need an Xs and Os guy, but then **** on Chud who is a sought-after Xs and Os guy at the highest level.

The only hires that would make people happy are Butch and Herman. And I understand. They would make me happy, too. But Miami football isn't over if we don't hire one of those two.

My only hope is that we have a true coaching search and don't limit it to "Miami guys," "offensive guys," or "guys with head coaching experience." Cast a wide net and see who has the best plan for fixing this.

That's where we disagree.

- Carolina's offense plummeted back down to 19th his second year in Carolina, even with Cam being under the brilliant tutelage of Chud.
- His one year as HC in Cleveland, the one where he got fired, his total offense was 27th in the NFL. Actually down 3 spots from the year before.


So his crowning achievement is being the coordinator of a top 10 offense 8 years ago in the NFL? And we want him to come run a college program?


Take away his Miami affiliation, and he wouldn't even be in the conversation.

 

[ghost2]

I agree with some of the pro-style argument, but I would prefer more of a "Pro-Spread" similar to what, say, Bobby Petrino runs. You still get your TEs (more H or Y backs really - think Njoku) so you can run the ball effectively but you can also load up 5 wide and go to town. Here's an article I found that addresses what I'm describing: Alabama Football 2015 Preview: Why the Pro Style Spread Could Emerge - Roll 'Bama Roll

 

[RaiseCane]

What I glean from this thread and Lu's thread asking about Cristobal - for some reason, our administration is actually giving consideration to those two guys. I've said this in a couple other threads, but I just don't understand it. Look, I have no doubt that Chud is respected as an offensive coach, and I think that he's a significantly better candidate than Mario - but that says more about how ridiculous it is that Mario is a candidate than it does about Chud. If the guy was so well respected, he would be a coordinator or head coach, not an advisor. If he was so well respected as an offensive coach, why isn't there a single other college job in the country that he's being considered for?

We do need a coach that has Xs and Os knowledge, and not just a guy who is a "good recruiter" like Mario, but there has to be at least a bit of balance. That means we don't have to hire a guy who hasn't coached in college in 10+ years and who has one year of experience (with a terrible record) as a head coach. Again, if the idea is that we're going to pursue Herman and Fuente, but don't think we can get those guys, and we can't BBB, because of some stupid reason, and we don't have the money to attract some other coach, that doesn't mean we have to automatically go to the "Miami guys" list, all of which have significant flaws. There are other coaches out there who are well respected as Xs and Os guys who are out there that we have to at least consider, whether it's Scott Frost, or Kirby Smart, or Dino Babers, or Doug Meachem (the OC at TCU), etc., etc. I'm not even saying that those are guys I want, but to me, those guys are more viable candidates than Chud.

 

[WhatTheHell]

Also, is anyone impressed with his 2003 performance at UM that wasted one of our greatest defenses ever?

The unit with future NFL'ers:

Frank Gore
Kellen Winslow
Devin Hester
Eric Winston
Vernon Carey
Chris Meyers
Carlos Joseph
Roscoe Parrish

That he couldn't squeeze a decent offense out of because he kept putting Berlin under center? Anyone remember how much better Brock got after Dud left?

 

[3FW]

He's f***ing garbage and would put the final nail in this program's coffin.

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Chud is a Cane great, have a little respect even if you don't like him as a head coach. He's down my list, but there is no reason to speak about anyone who has done what he did for this program, especially on the field, like that. Pathetic.