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Tell me about Chud

He's probably around 5 or 6 from the names we've heard, but he can work under specific scenarios. Chud (or someone like Hue Jackson) coming in as a HC is one of the only ways I could stomach Mario Cristobal coming back (to serve as a complement).
 
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LuCane said:
He's probably around 5 or 6 from the names we've heard, but he can work under specific scenarios. Chud (or someone like Hue Jackson) coming in as a HC is one of the only ways I could stomach Mario Cristobal coming back (to serve as a complement).
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Is Cristobal as serious of a candidate as we are fearing?
 
People have been talking about wanting an Xs and Os guy. Well, Chud is considered one of the better offensive minds in the league. Fisch was able to outscheme guys at this level, and Chud is several notches above Fisch. I also think the Norv Turner-style offense fits perfectly with Miami personnel.

But as Lu pointed out, Chud would need an associate head coach to help with the transition to college and to provide guidance in recruiting.
 
DMoney said:
People have been talking about wanting an Xs and Os guy. Well, Chud is considered one of the better offensive minds in the league. Fisch was able to outscheme guys at this level, and Chud is several notches above Fisch. I also think the Norv Turner-style offense fits perfectly with Miami personnel.

But as Lu pointed out, Chud would need an associate head coach to help with the transition to college and to provide guidance in recruiting.
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What would our offense look like under Chud, as far as scheme/philosophy
 
McGahee2TheHouse said:
DMoney said:
People have been talking about wanting an Xs and Os guy. Well, Chud is considered one of the better offensive minds in the league. Fisch was able to outscheme guys at this level, and Chud is several notches above Fisch. I also think the Norv Turner-style offense fits perfectly with Miami personnel.

But as Lu pointed out, Chud would need an associate head coach to help with the transition to college and to provide guidance in recruiting.
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What would our offense look like under Chud, as far as scheme/philosophy
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Pro-style with some elements of spread, IMO. He's from the Norv Turner/Coryell school of offense - vertical passing game, playaction, power run scheme.
 
DMoney said:
People have been talking about wanting an Xs and Os guy. Well, Chud is considered one of the better offensive minds in the league. Fisch was able to outscheme guys at this level, and Chud is several notches above Fisch. I also think the Norv Turner-style offense fits perfectly with Miami personnel.

But as Lu pointed out, Chud would need an associate head coach to help with the transition to college and to provide guidance in recruiting.
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Why? SFla is full of guys who would dominate in space.

We always talk about recruiting and using that as a strength. Why not take advantage of that offensively? And when did Chud become one of the better offensive minds in the league?
 
Like I've been saying since last year when he was first brought up, if he hadn't played here no one would be talking about him.

That should be your initial barometer when you're thinking of a new HC--Would anyone be mentioning him if he hadn't played/coached here? If the answer is no, then move the fck on.
 
McGahee2TheHouse said:
DMoney said:
People have been talking about wanting an Xs and Os guy. Well, Chud is considered one of the better offensive minds in the league. Fisch was able to outscheme guys at this level, and Chud is several notches above Fisch. I also think the Norv Turner-style offense fits perfectly with Miami personnel.

But as Lu pointed out, Chud would need an associate head coach to help with the transition to college and to provide guidance in recruiting.
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What would our offense look like under Chud, as far as scheme/philosophy
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Norv Turner. I-formation with some deep passing. Same thing he did here before.
 
DMoney said:
People have been talking about wanting an Xs and Os guy. Well, Chud is considered one of the better offensive minds in the league. Fisch was able to outscheme guys at this level, and Chud is several notches above Fisch. I also think the Norv Turner-style offense fits perfectly with Miami personnel.

But as Lu pointed out, Chud would need an associate head coach to help with the transition to college and to provide guidance in recruiting.
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Who was Fisch outscheming? Every time we played a good team our offense went in the toilet. His numbers weren't much better than Coley's.
 
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The Franchise said:
Like I've been saying since last year when he was first brought up, if he hadn't played here no one would be talking about him.

That should be your initial barometer when you're thinking of a new HC--Would anyone be mentioning him if he hadn't played/coached here? If the answer is no, then move the fck on.
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Why haven't we heard his name at USCw or USCe?

Plus Chud personality is a wet blanket. He's so great offensively that he can't get an OC job in the NFL, Pagano had to give him a mercy hire or he would be unemployed.
 
DMoney said:
People have been talking about wanting an Xs and Os guy. Well, Chud is considered one of the better offensive minds in the league. Fisch was able to outscheme guys at this level, and Chud is several notches above Fisch. I also think the Norv Turner-style offense fits perfectly with Miami personnel.

But as Lu pointed out, Chud would need an associate head coach to help with the transition to college and to provide guidance in recruiting.
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Taking his merits as a coach into consideration, the bullet point on his resume most people point to first is that he didn't deserve to be fired in Cleveland. That's fair and most wouldn't disagree, but where is the success? Offensive-minded coach who's currently serving as a special assistant to a Colts team with a boatload of skill talent that's underachieving at a staggering level. His prior stint was going 4-12 in Cleveland in his only year as a head coach at any level.

Chud did well by all accounts in Cleveland in his first year as their OC back in 2007. But Cleveland's total offense regressed from 8th in his first year to 31st in his second and final season as their OC. Chud wasn't retained by their next head coach after such awful regression. Carolina's offenses ranked in the upper half of the league in his two years as the Panthers' OC from 2011-2012, which is the most success he's had as a coach.

There are several issues with Chud that go beyond Xs and Os. He appears to be a very bland, vanilla, "blah" type of Golden-like personality. This program desperately need a culture change, specifically in the locker room. Complete unknown as an evaluator. Hates recruiting. Hasn't coached in college in 12 years. Only one year of head-coaching experience at any level.

To take a gamble on Chud considering his full body of work and glaring deficiencies just seems like settling for the least controversial "Miami man." It wouldn't get anyone excited and there's a scary downside.
 
The Franchise said:
DMoney said:
People have been talking about wanting an Xs and Os guy. Well, Chud is considered one of the better offensive minds in the league. Fisch was able to outscheme guys at this level, and Chud is several notches above Fisch. I also think the Norv Turner-style offense fits perfectly with Miami personnel.

But as Lu pointed out, Chud would need an associate head coach to help with the transition to college and to provide guidance in recruiting.
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Who was Fisch outscheming? Every time we played a good team our offense went in the toilet. His numbers weren't much better than Coley's.
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Fisch:
2011: 70th total offense, 63rd scoring
2012: 36th, 49th

Coley:
2013: 48th, 33rd
2014: 47th, 62nd

Almost the exact same, both mediocre.

D$ really wants a "pro-style" offense so now Chud is one of the best offensive minds in the league and Fisch out schemed people
 
DMoney said:
People have been talking about wanting an Xs and Os guy. Well, Chud is considered one of the better offensive minds in the league. Fisch was able to outscheme guys at this level, and Chud is several notches above Fisch. I also think the Norv Turner-style offense fits perfectly with Miami personnel.

But as Lu pointed out, Chud would need an associate head coach to help with the transition to college and to provide guidance in recruiting.
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I do genuinely respect your opinion D$ but where is the evidence that Chud is "one of the better offensive minds in the league"? The stats do not support this statement. He was a disaster in Cleveland, was pretty bad in Carolina, and is now severely under-achieving in Indy despite having one of the best young QB's in the league.
 
DiegoCane said:
Why haven't we heard his name at USCw or USCe?

Plus Chud personality is a wet blanket. He's so great offensively that he can't get an OC job in the NFL, Pagano had to give him a mercy hire or he would be unemployed.
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You haven't heard his name because it's assumed he has no interest in returning to college (except for Miami).

And he could have easily gotten an OC job in the NFL this year. He was San Francisco's top target before Indy gave him a raise:

49ers miss out on Chudzinski, who?s staying with Colts | The Sacramento Bee

My concerns with Chud are recruiting and evaluation. To me, the only Chud scenario that would work is if he brought an associate head coach like Orgeron or Cristobal.

But if we're talking about Xs and Os, schematic advantage and "offensive-minded coaching," Chud gives you that.
 
DiegoCane said:
The Franchise said:
Like I've been saying since last year when he was first brought up, if he hadn't played here no one would be talking about him.

That should be your initial barometer when you're thinking of a new HC--Would anyone be mentioning him if he hadn't played/coached here? If the answer is no, then move the fck on.
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x1000

Why haven't we heard his name at USCw or USCe?

Plus Chud personality is a wet blanket. He's so great offensively that he can't get an OC job in the NFL, Pagano had to give him a mercy hire or he would be unemployed.
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Exactly. All I ever hear from Dud's Spuds is a laundry list of excuses to justify his failures. There's never any discussion about how great he was at Cleveland or elsewhere. It's always "he struggled that year and got fired and everyone hated his guts, BUT...

Now there are guys saying he might do well here (wait for it...), BUT he would need someone on the staff to do his recruiting and teach him how to be a college HC. We don't need to be hiring another stumble bum who needs someone on staff to rescue him from his incompetence.

As you said, if he's such a great offensive mind why is he a mercy hire who isn't even an OC. Oh that's right. According to the Dud Spuds, Dud had this elaborate plan to take a lesser gig on a 1 year deal because he knew he'd be the UM HC this year. Lulz.
 
And last time Chud was in college was 2003 at Miami. The year they wasted a **** good defense by not understanding where Berlin succeeded.
 
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He hasn't recruited a player in 12 years so I'd say we can't say if he likes recruiting or not. If someone has quotes rather than message board postings saying otherwise, please provide them. I remember Chud being here and don't remember that, but enough people pass it around as fact that perhaps I just forgot as time passed.

To those claiming as much, what was his recruiting area / region. We've recruited that way as long as I can remember rather than just coaches targeting their position. I would be willing to bet there's only a handful of people at most, if that, who could say where our current coaches areas were.
 
Chud would create an erectile dysfunction epidemic if he was hired. Pussies would dry up, it'd be crazy.
 
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