Team Efficiencies (From ESPN)

[BWCD]

True, Baylor doesn't kill you with TOP. However, they put up second half points without that TOP margin. Miami's offense whimpers in the second half while its TOP exacerbates the issue. There's just no second half point production, and the D breaks down...it turns a competitive game into a blowout loss.

Yep. See Louisville. This is what I was talking about last year with our explosive O, for all of it's glitz and glamour and being fun to watch, it hurts our D when it gets late in the 2nd half because they've played more snaps than they should have to. ****, even against Arky State, their last TD drive was 16 plays, 89 yards, and 5:59. We always seem to give up at least one of those type of possessions late in each game. In a close game, that's a backbreaker. WE need to be the ones putting that kind of drive on display late, not giving it up.

And I have no clue how pointing out Baylor (one good offensive football team) and their TOP disproves how most good football teams do on TOP when they're truly in control of the opponent. Flawed logic.

If this cat doesn't believe that we've been an offense having to rely on explosive plays or going 3 and out pretty much...then I don't know what to tell him. It's freaking obvious to anyone with a pair of eyes. For the most part, if we don't hit 1-3 20+ yard chunk plays on a drive, that drive is likely ending without Miami putting points up on the board.

If we can't drive 10+ plays and 80+ yards in 5+ minutes against Arky State by being a balanced offensive attack, then when we need to do it against better teams...we aren't going to be able to do it. Plain and simple.

 

[NVA CANE]

Don't need a formula to tell me that, even though we scored more points because of a talent gap, Arky State actually got more 1st downs than we did and slightly outperformed us on 3rd down conversion. The offense is skittish, at best. And, a plane without an engine, at worst.

well duh you're probably gonna lose first downs when you rip off multiple 60 yard plays. thankfully in football the scoreboard counts points and not first downs.

Unfortunately, in football, you don't play Arkansas State every week and you need a sustainable offense because you might play mighty teams like…Louisville.

so what you're saying is that when guys are open 60 yards down the field we shouldn't throw the ball to them?

The lengths people will go to defend this coaching staff is mind blowing. Thats what you got from Lu's post? SMH

 

[fincane]

True, Baylor doesn't kill you with TOP. However, they put up second half points without that TOP margin. Miami's offense whimpers in the second half while its TOP exacerbates the issue. There's just no second half point production, and the D breaks down...it turns a competitive game into a blowout loss.

Yep. See Louisville. This is what I was talking about last year with our explosive O, for all of it's glitz and glamour and being fun to watch, it hurts our D when it gets late in the 2nd half because they've played more snaps than they should have to. ****, even against Arky State, their last TD drive was 16 plays, 89 yards, and 5:59. We always seem to give up at least one of those type of possessions late in each game. In a close game, that's a backbreaker. WE need to be the ones putting that kind of drive on display late, not giving it up.

And I have no clue how pointing out Baylor (one good offensive football team) and their TOP disproves how most good football teams do on TOP when they're truly in control of the opponent. Flawed logic.

If this cat doesn't believe that we've been an offense having to rely on explosive plays or going 3 and out pretty much...then I don't know what to tell him. It's freaking obvious to anyone with a pair of eyes. For the most part, if we don't hit 1-3 20+ yard chunk plays on a drive, that drive is likely ending without Miami putting points up on the board.

If we can't drive 10+ plays and 80+ yards in 5+ minutes against Arky State by being a balanced offensive attack, then when we need to do it against better teams...we aren't going to be able to do it. Plain and simple.

Clemson lost the time of possession battle 10 out of 13 games last year. Pretty sure if I kept trying I'd find plenty more considering those are the only two uptempo chunk yard teams I looked up.

I'm not sure where in Miami's past we evolved into a Barry Alvarez team. Maybe you can point out our best offenses spending huge amounts of time on the field but I don't remember those offenses displaying a concerted effort to stay on the field for long clock killing drives. I do remember alot of graphics pointing out how explosive we were and how quickly we could score. Avoiding 3 and outs are important but those offenses didn't pick up first downs in 10 yard chunks. They usually came in 20-30 yard chunks.

 

[fincane]

An for those that don't know what a "Corch" is:

A particularly inept coach, especially one who manages to evade firing by having talented players on his or her roster.

Link to Corchest Definition
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Corch

I would have to agree.

Go Canes

Yeah well how did Butch go from being Corch to Coach? The same guy many want back. I believe he was a corch when he was 0-10 vs FSU and Virginia Tech his first 5 seasons. His staff wasn't outscheming better opponents or even some lesser opponents. All of sudden he puts together a level of talent second to none and he isn't a Corch anymore?

Butch Davis was not nor ever was a corch, **** that was a long reach on your part for a comparison. I suggest you try again.

Go Canes

Not that long.

He probably wasn't a Corch but if this message board was around in the middle of Davis losing a combined 10 straight to FSU and VT he would've gotten crushed. Losing to ECU twice. 66-13 to Syracuse(he did follow it the next week by beating UCLA). The Penn State loss. Going down to BC 28-0 before the miracle comeback. There are plenty of Botch moments on the resume. He accumulated a great deal of talent but before he did that he wasn't wowing anyone with his coaching acumen.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Don't need a formula to tell me that, even though we scored more points because of a talent gap, Arky State actually got more 1st downs than we did and slightly outperformed us on 3rd down conversion. The offense is skittish, at best. And, a plane without an engine, at worst.

well duh you're probably gonna lose first downs when you rip off multiple 60 yard plays. thankfully in football the scoreboard counts points and not first downs.

Unfortunately, in football, you don't play Arkansas State every week and you need a sustainable offense because you might play mighty teams like…Louisville.

So are you suggesting for the offense to hold off on quick strikes when they play the likes of Arkansas State?

 

[LuCane]

Don't need a formula to tell me that, even though we scored more points because of a talent gap, Arky State actually got more 1st downs than we did and slightly outperformed us on 3rd down conversion. The offense is skittish, at best. And, a plane without an engine, at worst.

well duh you're probably gonna lose first downs when you rip off multiple 60 yard plays. thankfully in football the scoreboard counts points and not first downs.

Unfortunately, in football, you don't play Arkansas State every week and you need a sustainable offense because you might play mighty teams like…Louisville.

So are you suggesting for the offense to hold off on quick strikes when they play the likes of Arkansas State?

Sometimes I wonder if you, as an example, are out there, in the real world, using that logic in a way that might affect the lives of others. **** scares me to death.

Flawed, like our current offense:

People in Kentucky support a border fence.
People in New York do not support a border fence.
Therefore, people in New York do not support people in Kentucky.

 

[Canes2082]

An for those that don't know what a "Corch" is:

A particularly inept coach, especially one who manages to evade firing by having talented players on his or her roster.

Link to Corchest Definition
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Corch

I would have to agree.

Go Canes

Yeah well how did Butch go from being Corch to Coach? The same guy many want back. I believe he was a corch when he was 0-10 vs FSU and Virginia Tech his first 5 seasons. His staff wasn't outscheming better opponents or even some lesser opponents. All of sudden he puts together a level of talent second to none and he isn't a Corch anymore?

Butch Davis was not nor ever was a corch, **** that was a long reach on your part for a comparison. I suggest you try again.

Go Canes

Actually he's right and it's not a reach. People wanted him fired. I was there for all of Butch's years and yes I watched as that banner flew overhead.

Butch couldn't beat VA tech or FSU

Lost @ home to ECU and @ ECU and was beaten by Cuse pretty good couple times

His moment came in 99 when we beat UCLA...that's was the program changing moment

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Don't need a formula to tell me that, even though we scored more points because of a talent gap, Arky State actually got more 1st downs than we did and slightly outperformed us on 3rd down conversion. The offense is skittish, at best. And, a plane without an engine, at worst.

well duh you're probably gonna lose first downs when you rip off multiple 60 yard plays. thankfully in football the scoreboard counts points and not first downs.

Unfortunately, in football, you don't play Arkansas State every week and you need a sustainable offense because you might play mighty teams like…Louisville.

So are you suggesting for the offense to hold off on quick strikes when they play the likes of Arkansas State?

Sometimes I wonder if you, as an example, are out there, in the real world, using that logic in a way that might affect the lives of others. **** scares me to death.

Flawed, like our current offense:

People in Kentucky support a border fence.
People in New York do not support a border fence.
Therefore, people in New York do not support people in Kentucky.

So then you're suggesting we need a sustainable offense? Well no crap captain obvious

 

[CaneAlmighty]

An for those that don't know what a "Corch" is:

A particularly inept coach, especially one who manages to evade firing by having talented players on his or her roster.

Link to Corchest Definition
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Corch

I would have to agree.

Go Canes

Yeah well how did Butch go from being Corch to Coach? The same guy many want back. I believe he was a corch when he was 0-10 vs FSU and Virginia Tech his first 5 seasons. His staff wasn't outscheming better opponents or even some lesser opponents. All of sudden he puts together a level of talent second to none and he isn't a Corch anymore?

Butch Davis was not nor ever was a corch, **** that was a long reach on your part for a comparison. I suggest you try again.

Go Canes

Actually he's right and it's not a reach. People wanted him fired. I was there for all of Butch's years and yes I watched as that banner flew overhead.

Butch couldn't beat VA tech or FSU

Lost @ home to ECU and was beaten by Cuse pretty good couple times

His moment came in 99 when we beat UCLA...that's was the program changing moment

And the myth that people like to spew was that he didn't have talent.. He had more talent than UCLA, Syracuse, VT etc. Only team he didn't have more talent than was FSU.
I like Butch but people have gone full ****** when it comes to hyping him up.

 

[DCF in LA]

An for those that don't know what a "Corch" is:

A particularly inept coach, especially one who manages to evade firing by having talented players on his or her roster.

Link to Corchest Definition
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Corch

I would have to agree.

Go Canes

Yeah well how did Butch go from being Corch to Coach? The same guy many want back. I believe he was a corch when he was 0-10 vs FSU and Virginia Tech his first 5 seasons. His staff wasn't outscheming better opponents or even some lesser opponents. All of sudden he puts together a level of talent second to none and he isn't a Corch anymore?

Butch Davis was not nor ever was a corch, **** that was a long reach on your part for a comparison. I suggest you try again.

Go Canes

Actually he's right and it's not a reach. People wanted him fired. I was there for all of Butch's years and yes I watched as that banner flew overhead.

Butch couldn't beat VA tech or FSU

Lost @ home to ECU and was beaten by Cuse pretty good couple times

His moment came in 99 when we beat UCLA...that's was the program changing moment

And the myth that people like to spew was that he didn't have talent.. He had more talent than UCLA, Syracuse, VT etc. Only team he didn't have more talent than was FSU.
I like Butch but people have gone full ****** when it comes to hyping him up.

You tend to get a pass in the history books when you bring in a handful of the most legendary recruiting classes in the history of the known universe. I mean, it's just stupid what he did to stockpile. So, yeah, I'll forgive him just a tad in hindsight. He's earned that much.

 

[Canes2082]

An for those that don't know what a "Corch" is:

A particularly inept coach, especially one who manages to evade firing by having talented players on his or her roster.

Link to Corchest Definition
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Corch

I would have to agree.

Go Canes

Yeah well how did Butch go from being Corch to Coach? The same guy many want back. I believe he was a corch when he was 0-10 vs FSU and Virginia Tech his first 5 seasons. His staff wasn't outscheming better opponents or even some lesser opponents. All of sudden he puts together a level of talent second to none and he isn't a Corch anymore?

Butch Davis was not nor ever was a corch, **** that was a long reach on your part for a comparison. I suggest you try again.

Go Canes

Actually he's right and it's not a reach. People wanted him fired. I was there for all of Butch's years and yes I watched as that banner flew overhead.

Butch couldn't beat VA tech or FSU

Lost @ home to ECU and was beaten by Cuse pretty good couple times

His moment came in 99 when we beat UCLA...that's was the program changing moment

And the myth that people like to spew was that he didn't have talent.. He had more talent than UCLA, Syracuse, VT etc. Only team he didn't have more talent than was FSU.
I like Butch but people have gone full ****** when it comes to hyping him up.

Well you gotta look at it both ways. While Butch couldn't beat VA tech and fsu and lost some stinkers in there he was feeling the affects of Scholly reductions. You had to get kids to buy back in the program again because we were down and SI was writing their BS articles on why we should drop the program.

All I'm saying is it took Butch a little while to get going once he was able to clear all the BS.

 

[Canes2082]

Yeah well how did Butch go from being Corch to Coach? The same guy many want back. I believe he was a corch when he was 0-10 vs FSU and Virginia Tech his first 5 seasons. His staff wasn't outscheming better opponents or even some lesser opponents. All of sudden he puts together a level of talent second to none and he isn't a Corch anymore?

Butch Davis was not nor ever was a corch, **** that was a long reach on your part for a comparison. I suggest you try again.

Go Canes

Actually he's right and it's not a reach. People wanted him fired. I was there for all of Butch's years and yes I watched as that banner flew overhead.

Butch couldn't beat VA tech or FSU

Lost @ home to ECU and was beaten by Cuse pretty good couple times

His moment came in 99 when we beat UCLA...that's was the program changing moment

And the myth that people like to spew was that he didn't have talent.. He had more talent than UCLA, Syracuse, VT etc. Only team he didn't have more talent than was FSU.
I like Butch but people have gone full ****** when it comes to hyping him up.

You tend to get a pass in the history books when you bring in a handful of the most legendary recruiting classes in the history of the known universe. I mean, it's just stupid what he did to stockpile. So, yeah, I'll forgive him just a tad in hindsight. He's earned that much.

Yeah but did any of us know at the time they would be legendary? He got a pass only when it all came together until then people were still motherF'IN him

 

[rayray]

i'm not denying that the offense could be more efficient -- this is obvious, i don't think anyone even on the coaching staff would deny it -- but never have i seen more people angry over a team scoring 40 points in three quarters. the same people in this thread harping on the fact that we scored with a bunch of bomb TDs on saturday would be the same ones saying that we need to let kayaa "air it out" had we had a bunch of methodical drives.

IMO the offense last year (which, again it should be noted, was one of the better ones in the country) had trouble staying on schedule because stephen was inaccurate inside 10 yards, and because after duke got hurt we couldn't run the ball against good teams because we didn't have a single real running back.

kaaya figures to be more accurate, which will help balance things out if not immediately than certainly at some point soon. whether our offensive line can hold up enough to let duke loose on early downs vs good teams remains to be seen.

 

[DCF in LA]

Butch Davis was not nor ever was a corch, **** that was a long reach on your part for a comparison. I suggest you try again.

Go Canes

Actually he's right and it's not a reach. People wanted him fired. I was there for all of Butch's years and yes I watched as that banner flew overhead.

Butch couldn't beat VA tech or FSU

Lost @ home to ECU and was beaten by Cuse pretty good couple times

His moment came in 99 when we beat UCLA...that's was the program changing moment

And the myth that people like to spew was that he didn't have talent.. He had more talent than UCLA, Syracuse, VT etc. Only team he didn't have more talent than was FSU.
I like Butch but people have gone full ****** when it comes to hyping him up.

You tend to get a pass in the history books when you bring in a handful of the most legendary recruiting classes in the history of the known universe. I mean, it's just stupid what he did to stockpile. So, yeah, I'll forgive him just a tad in hindsight. He's earned that much.

Yeah but did any of us know at the time they would be legendary? He got a pass only when it all came together until then people were still motherF'IN him

Gameday blunders aside, it was starting to shine throughout 99 what he was assembling. People forget that 99 team was really, really close to winning 10 or 11 games, and he was doing it with a bunch of holdovers and extremely young players. By 2000, it was simply a matter of time 'when' we would win big, not 'if'.

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

People actually believe GoRlden is another Butch Davis??? Bwahahahaha!!! Ho Lee ***, now I've seen it all. Lmfaoooo

 

[Canes2082]

People actually believe GoRlden is another Butch Davis??? Bwahahahaha!!! Ho Lee ***, now I've seen it all. Lmfaoooo

Not this guy but just saying Butch had his struggles before he figured it out here.

Could Golden finally figure it out? As of now doesn't appear so but let's see how this season pans out.

Also Butch will not be the next coach here again

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

I was in the stands during the Butch years. I know the booing, the wtf moments, but it was CRYSTAL clear that he did not get run outta here. People tend to forget that. HE chose to leave. He wasn't forced out. He also won 3 conference championships. Something AlgoRlden has never done.

 

[BWCD]

i'm not denying that the offense could be more efficient -- this is obvious, i don't think anyone even on the coaching staff would deny it -- but never have i seen more people angry over a team scoring 40 points in three quarters. the same people in this thread harping on the fact that we scored with a bunch of bomb TDs on saturday would be the same ones saying that we need to let kayaa "air it out" had we had a bunch of methodical drives.

IMO the offense last year (which, again it should be noted, was one of the better ones in the country) had trouble staying on schedule because stephen was inaccurate inside 10 yards, and because after duke got hurt we couldn't run the ball against good teams because we didn't have a single real running back.

kaaya figures to be more accurate, which will help balance things out if not immediately than certainly at some point soon. whether our offensive line can hold up enough to let duke loose on early downs vs good teams remains to be seen.

My whole point is that to be a great offense, we need to be able to do both: be explosive when the opportunity presents itself, and be able to grind out a drive when it doesn't.

We've shown that we can do the former for the past 2 years or more. The only game in that same span that I can think of that we showed the latter was against UNC last year, and that was an aberration from the norm.

 

[fincane]

I was in the stands during the Butch years. I know the booing, the wtf moments, but it was CRYSTAL clear that he did not get run outta here. People tend to forget that. HE chose to leave. He wasn't forced out. He also won 3 conference championships. Something AlgoRlden has never done.

He didn't get run of here because after 5 years we saw his team make the jump. He had those first two titles but he kept losing to Tech so he never won the title outright until 2000. In '95 we held ourselves out of a bowl game I believe but Virginia Tech was still gonna be the Big East representative in whatever the **** they used to call it back then.(Bowl Alliance?, Bowl Coalition?) In '96 they got to play in the Orange Bowl and we had to play in the Carquest Bowl.

 

[fincane]

Actually he's right and it's not a reach. People wanted him fired. I was there for all of Butch's years and yes I watched as that banner flew overhead.

Butch couldn't beat VA tech or FSU

Lost @ home to ECU and was beaten by Cuse pretty good couple times

His moment came in 99 when we beat UCLA...that's was the program changing moment

And the myth that people like to spew was that he didn't have talent.. He had more talent than UCLA, Syracuse, VT etc. Only team he didn't have more talent than was FSU.
I like Butch but people have gone full ****** when it comes to hyping him up.

You tend to get a pass in the history books when you bring in a handful of the most legendary recruiting classes in the history of the known universe. I mean, it's just stupid what he did to stockpile. So, yeah, I'll forgive him just a tad in hindsight. He's earned that much.

Yeah but did any of us know at the time they would be legendary? He got a pass only when it all came together until then people were still motherF'IN him

Gameday blunders aside, it was starting to shine throughout 99 what he was assembling. People forget that 99 team was really, really close to winning 10 or 11 games, and he was doing it with a bunch of holdovers and extremely young players. By 2000, it was simply a matter of time 'when' we would win big, not 'if'.

No one forgets. It was why we were all ****ed in 2000 that we had yet again blown a chance when we lost at Washington. He beats Florida State later and we all know the rest.