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KANE said:
Wasn’t the punter. He did what he do on every single rep. 87 chicken winged his responsibility, instead of stepping flat to the middle of the rusher. He just stuck his arm out there. ****, they didn’t even have a punt block called. They were playing field position.
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Obviously 87s effort was terrible, but also on the punter. Check out Lance’s comment.
 
bacane said:
Obviously 87s effort was terrible, but also on the punter. Check out Lance’s comment.
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I saw what Lance said, and I respect his POV, but we do that exact punting scheme ….. albeit on the high school level, This is basic stuff. It’s not rocket science. We teach our kids that have blocking responsibilities to basically block Stretch Right on punt team. You take 2 flat steps to the right, any player that is within your reach, you get your hands on him good enough to push him off of his path (slow him down), with a 3rd flat step. If you’re a back line guy, you don’t disengage until you hear the thud of the punter hitting the ball. Then get upfield. Did the punter take too long? Possibly. But if u go back and time it, it’s basically no different than the time it took him to get rid of the ball throughout the season. Nothing really changed. Cignitti is old school and was playing the “field position” game. They didn’t even call a punt block. They weren’t trying to block it. If 87 does his job, as a matter of fact…. If he takes one more step, the punt gets off, and we probably have #6 in the trophy case already.
 
KANE said:
I saw what Lance said, and I respect his POV, but we do that exact punting scheme ….. albeit on the high school level, This is basic stuff. It’s not rocket science. We teach our kids that have blocking responsibilities to basically block Stretch Right on punt team. You take 2 flat steps to the right, any player that is within your reach, you get your hands on him good enough to push him off of his path (slow him down), with a 3rd flat step. If you’re a back line guy, you don’t disengage until you hear the thud of the punter hitting the ball. Then get upfield. Did the punter take too long? Possibly. But if u go back and time it, it’s basically no different than the time it took him to get rid of the ball throughout the season. Nothing really changed. Cignitti is old school and was playing the “field position” game. They didn’t even call a punt block. They weren’t trying to block it. If 87 does his job, as a matter of fact…. If he takes one more step, the punt gets off, and we probably have #6 in the trophy case already.
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Not putting words in Lance’s mouth & should go back & check, but believe his point was the punter moved too far outside to his right, further than normal & less likely it gets blocked had he not done so. Obviously 87 didn’t help matters.
 
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bacane said:
Not putting words in Lance’s mouth & should go back & check, but believe his point was the punter moved too far outside to his right, further than normal & less likely it gets blocked had he not done so. Obviously 87 didn’t help matters.
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I’ve seen punters run that thing **** near to the sideline. He doesn’t go any further than he normally does IMO. Go back to any game and look at how many steps he normally takes. Everything was normal…. Until it wasn’t! **** hurts to be that close and have some **** like that cost us the title. If Indiana had an all out blitz on and they block it, so be it! “Good call coach! You got us on that one. Hats off to your guys.” But that?! We lose the fuccin game from that? When they wasn’t even trying to block it? FML 🤦🏾‍♂️. Awful
 
KANE said:
I’ve seen punters run that thing **** near to the sideline. He doesn’t go any further than he normally does IMO. Go back to any game and look at how many steps he normally takes. Everything was normal…. Until it wasn’t! **** hurts to be that close and have some **** like that cost us the title. If Indiana had an all out blitz on and they block it, so be it! “Good call coach! You got us on that one. Hats off to your guys.” But that?! We lose the fuccin game from that? When they wasn’t even trying to block it? FML 🤦🏾‍♂️. Awful
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YUP THEY WERE IN PUNT SAFE.......

BOTH HE AND MARTY BROWN DID NOTHING TO SLOW DOWN THAT DE. Worst on Bauman cause gah**** dude were not expecting you to make a tackle so wtf are u doing anyway
 
KANE said:
I saw what Lance said, and I respect his POV, but we do that exact punting scheme ….. albeit on the high school level, This is basic stuff. It’s not rocket science. We teach our kids that have blocking responsibilities to basically block Stretch Right on punt team. You take 2 flat steps to the right, any player that is within your reach, you get your hands on him good enough to push him off of his path (slow him down), with a 3rd flat step. If you’re a back line guy, you don’t disengage until you hear the thud of the punter hitting the ball. Then get upfield. Did the punter take too long? Possibly. But if u go back and time it, it’s basically no different than the time it took him to get rid of the ball throughout the season. Nothing really changed. Cignitti is old school and was playing the “field position” game. They didn’t even call a punt block. They weren’t trying to block it. If 87 does his job, as a matter of fact…. If he takes one more step, the punt gets off, and we probably have #6 in the trophy case already.
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Thanks. The DE got a really good jump off the snap too, but I don't understand why Bauman didn't slow the guy down. The other rusher was technically closer to the punter, but it looked like he was rushing between the shoulders of the other two protectors, so why didn't Bauman just impede the guy crossing his outside shoulder?

Snap was a little wide IIRC but Joyce didn't get much wider than he usually did. The whole play sucked, and was unfortunate. Doubt that guy blocks that kick if we had the same setup 99 times out of 100 but he did on the one that happened and it sucks.
 
KANE said:
I saw what Lance said, and I respect his POV, but we do that exact punting scheme ….. albeit on the high school level, This is basic stuff. It’s not rocket science. We teach our kids that have blocking responsibilities to basically block Stretch Right on punt team. You take 2 flat steps to the right, any player that is within your reach, you get your hands on him good enough to push him off of his path (slow him down), with a 3rd flat step. If you’re a back line guy, you don’t disengage until you hear the thud of the punter hitting the ball. Then get upfield. Did the punter take too long? Possibly. But if u go back and time it, it’s basically no different than the time it took him to get rid of the ball throughout the season. Nothing really changed. Cignitti is old school and was playing the “field position” game. They didn’t even call a punt block. They weren’t trying to block it. If 87 does his job, as a matter of fact…. If he takes one more step, the punt gets off, and we probably have #6 in the trophy case already.
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What if we had gotten punt off but Indiana scored a touchdown taking more time off the clock? So many scenarios
 
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Golsen82 said:
What if we had gotten punt off but Indiana scored a touchdown taking more time off the clock? So many scenarios
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Yes, but then it’s a different discussion. The way the game was playing was that we had gotten a little momentum going. They punted us deep. We punt the ball out and play defense. They were playing the field position game, and hopefully our defense would have held up forcing a punt or a long FG. Everything was going kinda as planned and then we give up momentum by giving up a blocked punt for a TD. Giving up an instant 7 is never a good idea, especially when you’re playing a disciplined outfit like Indiana. That’s free money. If they score, you wanna make them earn every yard.
 
Sad thing is that we knew Indiana had blocked multiple punts this year and I believe one in the playoffs.
 
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