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mossmadness said:
Huh? I never said anything about 4* or 5* players, so I have no idea why you’re babbling about that?

You said Utah’s WRs sucked. They sucked before, during, and after Stubblefield. So he shouldn’t get the blame for that. He can’t make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t. That’s fair enough. We will put the these horrible receivers on the previous WR coach that identified them and brought them in.

What I’m asking is what receivers did Stubblefield bring in to address this problem? If you don’t have any talent at a position, the solution is to bring in talent? Who did he bring in? How did they do? Even after him, as long as he recruited them, we’ll give him credit. I don’t care what their star ranking was. How did the guys he picked to help this dire WR situation, perform at Utah?
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Who cares? Its a school that can't recruit good players. How the heck am I suppose to know what players he brought in? If he brought in a stud DE or LB does that not matter. As I said, recruiting is rarely about one person. It's about your program and the totality of the staff going after a player. Oh and how much BS lies you're willing to tell a kid and his family. My point is this, recruiting isn't a problem at the U. The talent is there. Coaching has been the issue. So why are you worried about recruiting, you should be worried about whether these guys can scheme and coach. Period. Its the U, the kids come when you aren't that good, everyone will want to come if you start really winning.

Had there been in influx of 4* WR before or after Stubblefield I would question him. They have had one player who could have went someone better than Utah at the WR spot in the past 5 years. Every other kid, Utah was prob their best offer.
 
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imyrhuckleberry said:
Someone should send all this analysis to Coach Enos 'cause he probably hasn't thought about any of it . . .
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Did you notice that Stubblefield was the last person hired on this updated staff? I am sure Enos took the time to consider his resume.
 
HighSeas said:
Disagree with all of this. Catching a football is not super basic. There are specific techniques to it that I doubt anyone on this board fully comprehends, myself included. You're way oversimplifying the catching fundamental by assuming it's a binary one-size-fits-all approach of concentration=catch or no catch.

You say how a WR drops one pass and that snowballs into future drops. How is camp coaching supposed to help him in the middle of the season if he's having drop issues? That's exactly the scenario where you need a good WR coach. I'm aware of some good private/camp WR coaches - some are ex-Noles unfortunately - but we shouldn't rely on outsiders to develop our players.

Technical/fundamental skill is exactly what's required to execute in front of 70k screaming people. Coaches always tell their players to trust their technique when they're in doubt or struggling. A foundation of technique is the best confidence-builder. Ex. Tell a DB to "go cover that dude" and he might panic and get burned. Tell a DB to stay square in his pedal and anticipate route combinations and he can focus on that and execute.

QBs who struggle in live action struggle because of specific stressors like pocket pressure, coverage disguises, press coverage, etc. That's totally different from your mental midget WR theory. And regarding kickers, the Bucs just hired a specialist kicking coach and Bruce Arians said he did it specifically because kickers can get in a mental block where they need coaching to intervene. So again coaching matters in those scenarios and some Trooper Taylor has-been recruiter type is gonna do what to help?

Your "natural hands" theory is also bull****. Will Fuller had a high drop rate...until he didn't and tore up NFL defenses as a rookie. Leonard Hankerson dropped everything...until he improved his technique, broke out at Miami and had a solid NFL career. Concentration drops are a lot rarer than you think.

This is my last time addressing another CIS special fake fundamental horsecrap argument. I've seen it before with the "whyyyy are our DBs not loooooking back for the ball every tiiiime" idiocy so I know some of you just don't listen to reason and don't wanna learn.
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Even the best WR coaches in the world have players that just can't hang onto the ball. A big part of catching the ball is hand size, hand dexterity, coordination and other factors that you cannot teach. It is just like sprinting. I can teach you to get a little bit faster, but you are never going to be able to out run Bolt. Same with catching. You have no idea that Hankerson improved because of his catching technique. It could just be that after spending a full year getting first team reps with Jacory that they finally started clicking.

You are exaggerating with Fuller. He didn't drop everything in college and he still has a good amount of drops in the NFL.

Also, you are making a ridiculous statement about the DBs. No NFL DBs cover like our guys and that may be part of the reason no top recruits want to play for Rumph. His pitch is "come play for Miami and I will teach you how to get called for face guarding on every play in the NFL". No one expects the guys to get the head around when they are getting beat, but they should be getting it around on a regular basis.
 
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CanIt said:
Who cares? Its a school that can't recruit good players. How the heck am I suppose to know what players he brought in? If he brought in a stud DE or LB does that not matter. As I said, recruiting is rarely about one person. It's about your program and the totality of the staff going after a player. Oh and how much BS lies you're willing to tell a kid and his family. My point is this, recruiting isn't a problem at the U. The talent is there. Coaching has been the issue. So why are you worried about recruiting, you should be worried about whether these guys can scheme and coach. Period. Its the U, the kids come when you aren't that good, everyone will want to come if you start really winning.

Had there been in influx of 4* WR before or after Stubblefield I would question him. They have had one player who could have went someone better than Utah at the WR spot in the past 5 years. Every other kid, Utah was prob their best offer.
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You’re arguing we shouldn’t judge a person’s recruiting based on what players they recruited.

You should go out on this post. Good luck this year.
 
apfenny3 said:
Heard this the other day. Not sure on his recruiting but he’s one of the best college receivers of all time. A 5’11” guy with 4.7 speed so he was a technician
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plus he was like a coach on the field, with deceptive speed and he was a real scrapper.
 
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The Franchise said:
I’m not ready to go with the blind “Trust Enos” mantra we see on here every time we get new coaches. I love the Enos hire, but I can assure you he’s not doing anything so outlandish that thousands of competent assistants couldn’t teach it to the WR group.

I’m sure it was Enos’s call to hire Stubblefield. Where was stubblefield when Enos got the Arkansas OC gig? Curious why he didn’t wind up there if he’s so essential.
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Maybe he didn’t have the authority to call for the hire? Just guessing, but I think Enos has a lot of autonomy on the offensive side of the ball. If it’s not working out, Diaz has already shown he’s not afraid to make needed changes.
 
HighSeas said:
Disagree with all of this. Catching a football is not super basic. There are specific techniques to it that I doubt anyone on this board fully comprehends, myself included. You're way oversimplifying the catching fundamental by assuming it's a binary one-size-fits-all approach of concentration=catch or no catch.

You say how a WR drops one pass and that snowballs into future drops. How is camp coaching supposed to help him in the middle of the season if he's having drop issues? That's exactly the scenario where you need a good WR coach. I'm aware of some good private/camp WR coaches - some are ex-Noles unfortunately - but we shouldn't rely on outsiders to develop our players.

Technical/fundamental skill is exactly what's required to execute in front of 70k screaming people. Coaches always tell their players to trust their technique when they're in doubt or struggling. A foundation of technique is the best confidence-builder. Ex. Tell a DB to "go cover that dude" and he might panic and get burned. Tell a DB to stay square in his pedal and anticipate route combinations and he can focus on that and execute.

QBs who struggle in live action struggle because of specific stressors like pocket pressure, coverage disguises, press coverage, etc. That's totally different from your mental midget WR theory. And regarding kickers, the Bucs just hired a specialist kicking coach and Bruce Arians said he did it specifically because kickers can get in a mental block where they need coaching to intervene. So again coaching matters in those scenarios and some Trooper Taylor has-been recruiter type is gonna do what to help?

Your "natural hands" theory is also bull****. Will Fuller had a high drop rate...until he didn't and tore up NFL defenses as a rookie. Leonard Hankerson dropped everything...until he improved his technique, broke out at Miami and had a solid NFL career. Concentration drops are a lot rarer than you think.

This is my last time addressing another CIS special fake fundamental horsecrap argument. I've seen it before with the "whyyyy are our DBs not loooooking back for the ball every tiiiime" idiocy so I know some of you just don't listen to reason and don't wanna learn.
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Disagree with all of that. You’re couching your opinions as fact and using scout-speak to make your opinions appear more than just opinions.

For instance, you say “concentration drops are a lot rarer than you think” when you have absolutely no way of proving that opinion. Don’t get too full of yourself, bub. Your opinions on football aren’t any more valid than anyone else’s.

I guess you think Kickers and QBs don’t choke either. Everything is just technique. LOL. And that Hankerson myth has grown into something absurd on here. He played catch with a washed up coke head receiver one summer, and that’s how he learned to catch the ball. Classic. If you watched him prior to that, you’d know he made a bunch of tough catches, but tended to drop the easy ones where he had too much time to think and choke. He gained some confidence over time and got better.
 
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OriginalGatorHater said:
Even the best WR coaches in the world have players that just can't hang onto the ball. A big part of catching the ball is hand size, hand dexterity, coordination and other factors that you cannot teach. It is just like sprinting. I can teach you to get a little bit faster, but you are never going to be able to out run Bolt. Same with catching. You have no idea that Hankerson improved because of his catching technique. It could just be that after spending a full year getting first team reps with Jacory that they finally started clicking.

You are exaggerating with Fuller. He didn't drop everything in college and he still has a good amount of drops in the NFL.

Also, you are making a ridiculous statement about the DBs. No NFL DBs cover like our guys and that may be part of the reason no top recruits want to play for Rumph. His pitch is "come play for Miami and I will teach you how to get called for face guarding on every play in the NFL". No one expects the guys to get the head around when they are getting beat, but they should be getting it around on a regular basis.
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Saints-Rams game the Arnold drop and 2nd Gurley drop were both caused by wrong technique. That is the case for most drops. Plays happen fast and receivers have to make sudden decisions on how to position their hands optimally, so even the pros make mistakes. Good coaching is essential to drill the fundamentals and rep it over and over.

Likewise for DBs 2 plays exemplify what I talked about. The long pass Gilmore gave up to Watkins happened when he turned his head and looked for the ball when he wasn't in phase. A Miami DB would've continued sprinting to get back in phase and would've had a shot at a breakup. On the flipside there was a pass that was broken up by the helmet of the CB (I think it was Robey) because he didn't panic and worked to get back in phase instead of desperately seeking the ball.

I didn't say DBs should never look for the ball. When a DB is in phase and has the opportunity he should absolutely try to find the ball and make a play. Those opportunities are very rare. Miami's DBs are well-schooled. You can't possibly be serious if you think that's hurting Rumph in recruiting.

As for Will Fuller, the point is he had the highest drop rate in college and people made a huge deal about it unnecessarily. It's rare for individual players to have consistent drop issues because it's so controllable. I can think of 2 guys - Brandon Marshall and TO - who had extended concentration issues. Again technique is the most common culprit of drops.

You can lead a porster to insight but you can't make it think. I've said all I'm gonna say about this. If you guys wanna be stubborn and repress knowledge that's on you.
 
HighSeas said:
Saints-Rams game the Arnold drop and 2nd Gurley drop were both caused by wrong technique. That is the case for most drops. Plays happen fast and receivers have to make sudden decisions on how to position their hands optimally, so even the pros make mistakes. Good coaching is essential to drill the fundamentals and rep it over and over.

Likewise for DBs 2 plays exemplify what I talked about. The long pass Gilmore gave up to Watkins happened when he turned his head and looked for the ball when he wasn't in phase. A Miami DB would've continued sprinting to get back in phase and would've had a shot at a breakup. On the flipside there was a pass that was broken up by the helmet of the CB (I think it was Robey) because he didn't panic and worked to get back in phase instead of desperately seeking the ball.

I didn't say DBs should never look for the ball. When a DB is in phase and has the opportunity he should absolutely try to find the ball and make a play. Those opportunities are very rare. Miami's DBs are well-schooled. You can't possibly be serious if you think that's hurting Rumph in recruiting.

As for Will Fuller, the point is he had the highest drop rate in college and people made a huge deal about it unnecessarily. It's rare for individual players to have consistent drop issues because it's so controllable. I can think of 2 guys - Brandon Marshall and TO - who had extended concentration issues. Again technique is the most common culprit of drops.

You can lead a porster to insight but you can't make it think. I've said all I'm gonna say about this. If you guys wanna be stubborn and repress knowledge that's on you.
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So are you trying to say Arnold and Gurley never had good WR coaches and were never taught proper catching technique. That is why they didn't catch the ball? Or are you agreeing with me and saying that they already had the technique down they just made a mental error in the split second they had to catch the ball? Having a better WR coach would not have helped either of them in those situations.

The DB debate is straight BS. I am not sure exactly what play you are referring to, but one play in which a player turned his head and got beat means nothing. Players get beat all the time by not turning their head.

Obviously if you are already beat you don't turn around and try to catch up to the WR, but our players NEVER turn their head around. It is poor technique and a huge reason why DBs don't want to play for Rumph.

You are the one being stubborn and repressing knowledge. Rumph was so bad at man coverage in the NFL that they stuck him at Safety.
 
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Honestly it sounds like we got some dudes at WR that can play... so everyone that says he sucks at recruiting should take a deep breath and see if he can coach these guys up to play at the level their recruiting profiles say they can... Diaz already making #tnm attractive, and if this guy can pull out the best in these guys he will have no problem cruitin. JT4 will light it up, and Osborn will be the leader and mentor these young guys need to excell to next level so let’s put this to rest until we see them on the field! 🙌🏻
 
CanIt said:
1. You should read the comments from the fans that go along with that article because it sure sounds like they think they had a horrible QB and simply bad receivers,

2. Oh and the Tim Patrick kid complaining in the article, yeah just looked him up and he didn't even play in 2015 when Stubbs was at Utah. He was injured the entire season. The kid was probably just frustrated because he couldn't get on the field.

3. Lastly, the other kid who was quoted in the article, Tyrone Young, yeah just looked him up too. In 2016, the year after Stubblefield left he had 10 catches the entire season and then was switched over to DB the last two years of his career.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Patrick
https://utahutes.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=753

Great article to base your opinion of your new coach on buddy. As I roll my eyes.
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?? Who said I'm basing my opinion from this article? I think you are assuming. It is a factor yes...usually u gather info from different sources to come out with an opinion just like you are doing. Maybe his head coach used him as a scapegoat because his receivers and qb were bad just like you r saying... But when someone moves around that often it is usually not a good sign. You can call it bad luck because of head coaching changes but in that case I rather not bring bad luck here. But I hope he is good then get me wrong. I just wouldn't bet on it. And Im not your buddy.
 
Thearchitect25 said:
?? Who said I'm basing my opinion from this article? I think you are assuming. It is a factor yes...usually u gather info from different sources to come out with an opinion just like you are doing. Maybe his head coach used him as a scapegoat because his receivers and qb were bad just like you r saying... But when someone moves around that often it is usually not a good sign. You can call it bad luck because of head coaching changes but in that case I rather not bring bad luck here. But I hope he is good then get me wrong. I just wouldn't bet on it. And Im not your buddy.
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You're not my buddy... LOL You really told me tough guy.
 
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