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Superbowl/Wade Phillips proves point about using motion on offense.

Canezum5 said:
Another silly post just to boost post count. None of what you said has anything to do with my post.

Take Richts Pipe out of your mouth.

This is not a post in defense of Mark. Its a post that exposes the FACT that you cant use motion to find out if a defense is in man or zone these days. Dont bend the narrative, please.

Id love for UM to use stack and motion ot more. I just want to rid people of the thought that we need it to help our QBs read defenses.

Yall hate Richt so **** much yall losing comprehension ability.
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Almost as silly as your original post.
 
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Coach Macho said:
The motions aren't done simply to identify coverage. They're done to create free releases for the WR's, specifically in man coverage. Motions and stacks kill man coverage.
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I think the pats showed that dline penetration kills motions and stacks.
 
Canezum5 said:
Who said you don't need motion? I said you don't need motion to read the coverage. BOTH TEAMS were making it tough to read, presnap.

How else are you going to read the D?

The same way the greats do, POST SNAP.
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When we get a great QB, maybe he’ll be able to.
 
Canezum5 said:
We've had so many debates on here about motion or lack thereof. It was refreshing to see Wade Phillips/belicheck show us why having a bunch of motions does not help Qbs all that much in modern football. Some of you think defenses can be tipped off for man or zone coverage using motion and that hasnt been true in years.

BOTH Wade and Bill would have a man following Edelman/Cooks in motion only to be playing zone behind it. Both QBs struggled reading the defenses because of it.

Of all the sucky aspects of Richts offense.. the lack of motion wasnt the issue. Im excited to see what Enos employs and if his motions are used for playcalls and matchup advantages or to try and read the defenses.
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Tell me how pro and amateur teams differ.
 
Coach Macho said:
Those two things have nothing to do with each other.
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Of course they do. Putting the QB on his rear and cutting down RBs behind the los makes taking advantage of the other almost impossible. Just because it is indirect does not mean it doesn’t defeat the motion and stack. A kick to the nuts is not boxing but it sure ends the fight.
 
That game was an absolute defensive clinic put on by Belichick and Flores. Much of the banter I've heard since the game ended was about Brady being the GOAT after getting his sixth ring, which he is, but in my opinion this game was all about the greatness of Belichick. Over the past few years I feel like when people discuss the Pats the narrative focuses almost entirely on Brady, and I think it's easy for some to dismiss, or forget, just how great Bill is. Nobody gameplans better than this man, and when he has time to prepare for you he will find your weakness and exploit the **** out of it. It was brilliant the way they loaded six in the box, almost similar to a goal-line D in a sense, and then played zone for a majority of the game. I saw a stat where the Patriots were in zone over TWICE as much as they ran zone during the season, and it totally baffled the Rams offense. Again, there's no question Brady is the best ever, but the story of this game was the outstanding gameplan Flores and Belichick came up with on D.
 
Samson Doyo said:
It’s eye candy for college kids. Causes them to hesitate and think. Pro players are much more experienced and disciplined as a result motion isn’t as effective in the NFL. In college motion effects defenses much more. College and Pro is apples and oranges when it comes to things like motion.

Go Canes!
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On top of that Phillips and Belichek had 2 weeks to prepare for this game with 0 time restriction on how long they can practice and prepare for the game.
 
Obviously motion isn’t the end of all defenses, but to say in 2019 a offense doesn’t need to have it is dumb af.

First of all Edelman is always in motion and gained 140 yards, he was the ******* MVP of the game.

The reason NE offense spurted was because the QB was underwhelming and aside from Edelman and gronk nobody would get open on that offense.

Baldinger’s breakdowns on twitter of the Rams offense will show you, in at least 2 third downs, how motion and stacking WRs created easy throws that Goff simply didn’t make it.

On Gronk’s big catch that set up the TD for NE Edelman going in motion confused the **** out of Rams defense giving Gronk a free release and a step on the LB
 
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Canezum5 said:
Who said you don't need motion? I said you don't need motion to read the coverage. BOTH TEAMS were making it tough to read, presnap.

How else are you going to read the D?

The same way the greats do, POST SNAP.
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You realize both teams had difficulty in that game because of the post snap reads.

It is stupid to handicap yourself for no reason.
 
Gatorhater said:
I think the pats showed that dline penetration kills motions and stacks.
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Well, obviously. It will kill almost everything. Great OL blocking will kill coverage.

Though you won't get great penetration every game...but you can motion every game and get a read on the coverage.
 
hugohso said:
Obviously motion isn’t the end of all defenses, but to say in 2019 a offense doesn’t need to have it is dumb af.

First of all Edelman is always in motion and gained 140 yards, he was the ******* MVP of the game.

The reason NE offense spurted was because the QB was underwhelming and aside from Edelman and gronk nobody would get open on that offense.

Baldinger’s breakdowns on twitter of the Rams offense will show you, in at least 2 third downs, how motion and stacking WRs created easy throws that Goff simply didn’t make it.

On Gronk’s big catch that set up the TD for NE Edelman going in motion confused the **** out of Rams defense giving Gronk a free release and a step on the LB
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NE ran that same play 3 times in a row and the lambs couldn't stop it.

Unbelievable. All set up by motion.
 
miamicanephins said:
NE ran that same play 3 times in a row and the lambs couldn't stop it.

Unbelievable. All set up by motion.
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Seeing that formation gave me so much hope for Miami offense. It shouldn't be that hard for Miami to go 22 personnel and spread it out or run. The formations are pretty much endless with this personnel specially if the defense gets caught with it's base D on the field

WR JT4
TE Mallory
TE Brevin
RB Lo/Dallas
FB Realus/Hodges
 
NE Canes said:
Well, obviously. It will kill almost everything. Great OL blocking will kill coverage.

Though you won't get great penetration every game...but you can motion every game and get a read on the coverage.
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Sure. I’m not saying you shouldn’t motion, just says Miami style defense of assault on the backfield crews up just about anything O can do, assuming you have speed on D.
 
Canezum5 said:
We've had so many debates on here about motion or lack thereof. It was refreshing to see Wade Phillips/belicheck show us why having a bunch of motions does not help Qbs all that much in modern football. Some of you think defenses can be tipped off for man or zone coverage using motion and that hasnt been true in years.

BOTH Wade and Bill would have a man following Edelman/Cooks in motion only to be playing zone behind it. Both QBs struggled reading the defenses because of it.

Of all the sucky aspects of Richts offense.. the lack of motion wasnt the issue. Im excited to see what Enos employs and if his motions are used for playcalls and matchup advantages or to try and read the defenses.
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Only non-football minds think they know it all when it comes to motion, in football its, simple, its either a running play or its not. All the motioning and misdirection only works on undisciplined defenses, for the most part its useless. Doesnt take all of that non-sense, its good every now and than but doesnt need to be the primary focus of the offense like many try and suggest. In fact we dont need all that **** here, we got enuff offensive talent to just line up and go get it.
 
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Gatorhater said:
Of course they do. Putting the QB on his rear and cutting down RBs behind the los makes taking advantage of the other almost impossible. Just because it is indirect does not mean it doesn’t defeat the motion and stack. A kick to the nuts is not boxing but it sure ends the fight.
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SMH. Motions and stacks (versus man coverage) are actually a way to negate pass rush.

Like I said, they have nothing to do with each other. You can rush my QB all you want to but if my WR's are getting free releases (via stacks & motions) then you'll never get to my QB. The ball is out in 1-2 seconds.
 
Calvin said:
Only non-football minds think they know it all when it comes to motion, in football its, simple, its either a running play or its not. All the motioning and misdirection only works on undisciplined defenses, for the most part its useless. Doesnt take all of that non-sense, its good every now and than but doesnt need to be the primary focus of the offense like many try and suggest. In fact we dont need all that **** here, we got enuff offensive talent to just line up and go get it.
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Not true at all. It's far from useless.

Many times the whole purpose of motion is to make the WR's route distribution harder to identify (for the defense).
If my read is the #2 WR, and the #2 WR motions and stacks behind the #1 WR, I now can't identify who the true #2 WR is. I have to wait until the ball is snapped (distribution) to figure it out, and by then he's already gained a few steps on me.

Watch the Patriots offense versus KC.
 
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