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Stop Hiring "Miami Guys" and stop trying to Emulate Georgia

Canesfan43 said:
It's so utterly absurd that Miami is the only school in the country that zeroes in on former Alumni/Coaches from the Glory Days when it's failed time and time again. Especially a dude that went too High School with several prominent boosters.

We need to start focusing on the best X's and O's coaches in the country and stop trying to be Georgia when we clearly can't bankroll it. Mario without Ruiz is Manny Diaz level recruiting, just have to face the facts that high level kids don't care about Relationships as much and getting 4am Text Messages from the "Hardest Worker in the Building" and the "Most Tireless Recruiter". Money talks and Money Walks

We need to hire from the Briles/Dykes Trees especially the ones from the South. **** I'd rather kick the can with Lashlee if he develops well in the next season or 2. At least our offense would be outscheming people for once
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Be quiet and go back to work. When y’all gonna realize that it’s not the danm coach. Kids don’t want to live in Miami. UM is a very very hard sell for any coach. Y’all keep thinking it’s only on the coaches. Coker struggled. Shannon struggled. Golden struggled. Richt struggled. Diaz and Cristobal. At some point you have to look at why instead of WHO!! As a kid, you see the on field production of Miami compared to other programs. Then you see the college life atmosphere and facilities compared to others. And lastly, you see the talent you get to play with compared to others. Miami just doesn’t have it. If social media was around in the glory days as it is today, no way Miami has a chance.

So unless we getting Kirby Smart, Pete Carroll, Nick Saban, Lincoln Riley, or Ryan Day as our head coach, it doesn’t matter who comes in…they’ll face the same challenges as Cristobal.
 
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Go Canes!! said:
Mario’s coaching ability or lack of it is irrelevant to this or any other current conversation.

The fact he still owed $72 million on his contract is all that matters right now when discussing who to hire, fire or emulate is concerned.

He’s not going anywhere for a long, long, long time.
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you really have to hope that Mario learned a lot of lessons as well as a huge dose of humility. hire your staff and get out the way no more micro managing.
 
Maskoff407 said:
Be quiet and go back to work. When y’all gonna realize that it’s not the danm coach. Kids don’t want to live in Miami. UM is a very very hard sell for any coach. Y’all keep thinking it’s only on the coaches. Coker struggled. Shannon struggled. Golden struggled. Richt struggled. Diaz and Cristobal. At some point you have to look at why instead of WHO!! As a kid, you see the on field production of Miami compared to other programs. Then you see the college life atmosphere and facilities compared to others. And lastly, you see the talent you get to play with compared to others. Miami just doesn’t have it. If social media was around in the glory days as it is today, no way Miami has a chance.

So unless we getting Kirby Smart, Pete Carroll, Nick Saban, Lincoln Riley, or Ryan Day as our head coach, it doesn’t matter who comes in…they’ll face the same challenges as Cristobal.
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Miami has had clowns running things for a long time

Plus Mario making dogsh!t hires

It’s pretty simple actually
 
Canesfan43 said:
It's so utterly absurd that Miami is the only school in the country that zeroes in on former Alumni/Coaches from the Glory Days when it's failed time and time again. Especially a dude that went too High School with several prominent boosters.

We need to start focusing on the best X's and O's coaches in the country and stop trying to be Georgia when we clearly can't bankroll it. Mario without Ruiz is Manny Diaz level recruiting, just have to face the facts that high level kids don't care about Relationships as much and getting 4am Text Messages from the "Hardest Worker in the Building" and the "Most Tireless Recruiter". Money talks and Money Walks

We need to hire from the Briles/Dykes Trees especially the ones from the South. **** I'd rather kick the can with Lashlee if he develops well in the next season or 2. At least our offense would be outscheming people for once
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Miami is NOT the only school in the country that does this. Which school did Kirby Smart play for? Scott Frost? Jim Harbaugh? Steve Spurrier?

Schools can get coaches to take a risk if their coaches went to school there, and leaving a successful job is always a risk.

Also, if Lashlee got hired, someone’s going to call him a “Miami guy” too.
 
DTP said:
You're literally wrong about every single point you tried to make. Miami went from 31 points per game to 19 against FBS opponents. That's a huge drop-off.

The games were close against NC State, Pitt and Georgia Tech because the defense couldn't stop a nose bleed. Imagine if we were running Gattis' offense in 2021? Oh wait we saw what that looked like in 2022 when Pitt blew our doors off. Thankfully we actually had an offense that could score in 2021 and won those games.

You conveniently forgot the 2020 FSU game where Miami's offense scored 52 against FSU. And even when they lost in 2021, they scored 28 points. Gattis got three.

You want to penalize the OC/QB coach who got his backup quarterback to put up all conference type of numbers when the backup quarterbacks last year combined for 8 TDs and 7 INTs.

"Dude had zero run game" 2020: 163 yards per game 2021: 129 yards per game 2023: 128 yards per game. The running game actually got worse under Gattis.

There's plenty of stuff to complain about during Manny Diaz's tenure but an offense that averaged the most points per game since 2002 isn't one of them.
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The problem when people quote stats is their not necessarily breaking those stats down correctly. For example when we mention rushing yards etc in those years under lashlee we're not really comprehending how they break down. Our major staple that lashlee used to stimulate the offense was the screen passes/laterals. Those balls although it's a pass they go down as rushing yards... So your seeing these numbers and you're automatically thinking it comes from handoffs/traditional rushes. Under lashlee it was always situational. All that being said we've had one **** offense after another since the Coker years for multiple reasons. Myself I'm gonna go with lashlee didn't exactly set the bar high. But you go with what u feel.



To take it one step further I'm gonna say y'all gonna love Dawson...
 
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Brooklyndee said:
The problem when people quote stats is their not necessarily breaking those stats down correctly. For example when we mention rushing yards etc in those years under lashlee we're not really comprehending how they break down. Our major staple that lashlee used to stimulate the offense was the screen passes/laterals. Those balls although it's a pass they go down as rushing yards... So your seeing these numbers and you're automatically thinking it comes from handoffs/traditional rushes. Under lashlee it was always situational. All that being said we've had one **** offense after another since the Coker years for multiple reasons. Myself I'm gonna go with lashlee didn't exactly set the bar high. But you go with what u feel.



To take it one step further I'm gonna say y'all gonna love Dawson...
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Screens aren’t running plays. Unless they’re literally backwards passes. Any type of pass, regardless of whether it’s beyond the line of scrimmage or not is considered a pass play. Mike Harley had 1 yard rushing in 2021 and Charleston Rambo had zero
 
DTP said:
Screens aren’t running plays. Unless they’re literally backwards passes. Any type of pass, regardless of whether it’s beyond the line of scrimmage or not is considered a pass play. Mike Harley had 1 yard rushing in 2021 and Charleston Rambo had zero
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Brooklyndee said:
Our major staple that lashlee used to stimulate the offense was the screen passes/laterals.
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even though you chose to leave it out laterals were often the result which are most certainly rushes & Harley wasn't the only one we ran those plays with be it laterals or screens one yard out. The only difference in that was from a statistical perspective and it's the sole reason Mike Harley has any records here. They were essentially hand offs. That's how we substituted the running game since we couldn't do it conventionally. One logged rushing yards while others were passing yards. Either way the purpose was the same.
 
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DTP said:
Screens aren’t running plays. Unless they’re literally backwards passes. Any type of pass, regardless of whether it’s beyond the line of scrimmage or not is considered a pass play. Mike Harley had 1 yard rushing in 2021 and Charleston Rambo had zero
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Maybe read. Just saying. Better yet. No worries. You're correct.
 
The OLs under Lashlee weren't very mobile. Not a good thing for zone rushing. I don't remember seeing guys pull very often either.

Miami needs elite WR play to win, which hasn't been the case in a while. In the last 5 years, a 5th and 6th round pick. The last 10 years, (1,7,5,6). My concern is that Miami is hitting on the "right WRs", but the university isn't able to create an environment to develop players, so it always looks like they are busts.
 
Brooklyndee said:
Maybe read. Just saying. Better yet. No worries. You're correct.
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You literally typed “those balls, although a pass go down as rushing yards”. But I guess I read that incorrectly.

But I do agree that they used the short passing game as a de facto run game. Sometimes you have to manufacture yards when you can’t just line up and run the ball right at your opponent. The difference between 30+ points per game and <20 is a coach playing to the strengths of his team vs a coach trying to force what he wants to do.
 
Canesfan43 said:
Agreed, just trying to point out the definition of insanity is doing the dame thing over and over and expecting different results.
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Well I get what you're saying the only problem is Mario so far has:

Brought in a top 7 class
Building an Athletic building that will rival the top schools in the country
Not sticking with coordinators when they don't work
Is well liked by local High school coaches
Is a well known OL guru.

Now it's time to see progress on the field. If we see a better product on the field everything else should fall in place.
 
Brooklyndee said:
Thank God we have social media for this...
Shannon/ Mario / Gino / JD.

2 of which were failures. Other two remain to be seen other than by overly emotional and impatient fans...

By the by hiring former alums is a regular occurrence all throughout college sports. It's not something unique to us. Keep this same energy. I'm really curious how many of y'all will come back and admit how foolish and wrong y'all were.
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I’ll gladly admit I was wrong, you can bet on that. All I care about is Miami winning and winning Championships. I’m just tired of this obsession that only “Miami” guys are qualified for this job and also incredibly lazy coaching searches (Paying Temple 4 Million for Diaz especially)

I get other schools hire former alumni but Kirby Smart was a Top DC for over a decade for Bama and could’ve got any job in the country, Harbaugh took Stanford too National Levels and went too a Super Bowl and there’s other examples of coaches that the nepotism tag definitely applies too.

My problem is Mario has shown GLARING deficiencies as a Gameday Coach as evident by the constant time Mismanagement, wasted timeouts, and overall lack of feel on gameday. The 2 games against Utah in 2021 were a very big red flag and you can’t just ignore the beat downs by MTSU, FSU, Duke, Clemson, and Pitt…..in One Season. We weren’t even competitive against Middle ******* Tennessee State

Is he a good recruiter? Yes but Lanning hasn’t skipped a beat either in that department and he’s arguably been as good or better of a gameday coach. Mark Richt had the #8 class just 5 years ago. All I know is the dude is getting paid 80 million dollars and so far we’ve gotten Al Golden results
 
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Maskoff407 said:
Be quiet and go back to work. When y’all gonna realize that it’s not the danm coach. Kids don’t want to live in Miami. UM is a very very hard sell for any coach. Y’all keep thinking it’s only on the coaches. Coker struggled. Shannon struggled. Golden struggled. Richt struggled. Diaz and Cristobal. At some point you have to look at why instead of WHO!! As a kid, you see the on field production of Miami compared to other programs. Then you see the college life atmosphere and facilities compared to others. And lastly, you see the talent you get to play with compared to others. Miami just doesn’t have it. If social media was around in the glory days as it is today, no way Miami has a chance.

So unless we getting Kirby Smart, Pete Carroll, Nick Saban, Lincoln Riley, or Ryan Day as our head coach, it doesn’t matter who comes in…they’ll face the same challenges as Cristobal.
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Not true at all, this entire school has been run like FTX since Shalala took over. Its been horribly mismanaged at every step and the coaching hires reflect that.

Think about this, we passed on Leach, Mullen, and Kiffin in the past 10 years alone. we’ve been running Archaic offenses since Coker and Lashlee was the 1st true spread guy we ever had.

Shannon had the #1 class in the country, Golden top 10 class, Richt #8 class, Diaz #11 class, and Mario had the #7 class so obviously kids want to come here
 
Canesfan43 said:
Not true at all, this entire school has been run like FTX since Shalala took over. Its been horribly mismanaged at every step and the coaching hires reflect that.

Think about this, we passed on Leach, Mullen, and Kiffin in the past 10 years alone. we’ve been running Archaic offenses since Coker and Lashlee was the 1st true spread guy we ever had.

Shannon had the #1 class in the country, Golden top 10 class, Richt #8 class, Diaz #11 class, and Mario had the #7 class so obviously kids want to come here
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Those class rankings weren't by average recruit rank, they were by totals. That makes those rankings misleading. Recruit quality and development quality needs to improve.
 
Canesfan43 said:
I’ll gladly admit I was wrong, you can bet on that. All I care about is Miami winning and winning Championships. I’m just tired of this obsession that only “Miami” guys are qualified for this job and also incredibly lazy coaching searches (Paying Temple 4 Million for Diaz especially)

I get other schools hire former alumni but Kirby Smart was a Top DC for over a decade for Bama and could’ve got any job in the country, Harbaugh took Stanford too National Levels and went too a Super Bowl and there’s other examples of coaches that the nepotism tag definitely applies too.

My problem is Mario has shown GLARING deficiencies as a Gameday Coach as evident by the constant time Mismanagement, wasted timeouts, and overall lack of feel on gameday. The 2 games against Utah in 2021 were a very big red flag and you can’t just ignore the beat downs by MTSU, FSU, Duke, Clemson, and Pitt…..in One Season. We weren’t even competitive against Middle ******* Tennessee State

Is he a good recruiter? Yes but Lanning hasn’t skipped a beat either in that department and he’s arguably been as good or better of a gameday coach. Mark Richt had the #8 class just 5 years ago. All I know is the dude is getting paid 80 million dollars and so far we’ve gotten Al Golden results
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Things like time mismanagement and game day decisions are glaring cause we’re in a bunch of close games and had an offense that struggled to get a first down most weeks. You cite lanning but who left that roster that competitive. Every post from anti Mario people seems to know how the story ends. Aside from working at Miami how do Mario manny and Randy have anything in common?
 
Zombie-Cane said:
Lashlee provided the best O we have seen in quite some time yes, but let's not act like he "out schemed" anything. Go back and watch, every team we played with a pulse on D held us in check quite easily and he couldn't figure out how to convert 3rd and short to save his ***.
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Because Miami had a putrid OL.
 
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