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Stop Hiring "Miami Guys" and stop trying to Emulate Georgia

Canesfan43 said:
It's not emotional, I've provided facts.

- Hired DC Randy Shannon from Failed Regime
- Hired Mark Richt after he retired and was going into Preaching (Best Coach by Far)
- Hired Manny Diaz DC from a failed regime after he already took the Temple Job (No HC Experience)
- Hired The Head Coach who went to high school with half of the BOT after the BOT held the entire school hostage if he wasn't Hired, was going to retain Diaz if Cristobal wasn't Hired.
- Hired the AD after the HC....WTF
- Got Blown out by every team with a pulse, despite having a Blue Chip Ratio roster
- Can't recruit this year despite stating that recruiting is the only way he can get us out of this hole
- worst GameDay Coach by far we've had and thats saying a lot
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Talking about everyone, not just you

Agree with a lot of that, especially the past.

Typing doesn't help or change things…We've read it all before.

Year ones don't count…Yes the bad hires are definitely alarming…But losing with that blue chip ratio isn't indicative of much, when many were injured, many quit, some were overrated, some just didn't fit into system culture, etc…And even when a lot of that is better, year 1s are mostly no indicator.

Can't recruit this year? I'm sorry this recruiting year is over? I didn't realize.

Not a great game cay coach… But way too early off of that small sample size. He wasn't great at Oregon, but not terrible by any means…And again, hard to judge when a good bit of your upperclass talent doesn't like you or care to play for you or is injured

And again many parts I don't have issue with here…It's just the board wide need to rush (In f -uckin June before year 2!!) and just vent all this anger and negativity. It's pathetic basically...

Get a grip idiots
 
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Canesfan43 said:
It's so utterly absurd that Miami is the only school in the country that zeroes in on former Alumni/Coaches from the Glory Days when it's failed time and time again. Especially a dude that went too High School with several prominent boosters.

We need to start focusing on the best X's and O's coaches in the country and stop trying to be Georgia when we clearly can't bankroll it. Mario without Ruiz is Manny Diaz level recruiting, just have to face the facts that high level kids don't care about Relationships as much and getting 4am Text Messages from the "Hardest Worker in the Building" and the "Most Tireless Recruiter". Money talks and Money Walks

We need to hire from the Briles/Dykes Trees especially the ones from the South. **** I'd rather kick the can with Lashlee if he develops well in the next season or 2. At least our offense would be outscheming people for once
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Lashlee provided the best O we have seen in quite some time yes, but let's not act like he "out schemed" anything. Go back and watch, every team we played with a pulse on D held us in check quite easily and he couldn't figure out how to convert 3rd and short to save his ***.
 
Zombie-Cane said:
Go back and watch, every team we played with a pulse on D held us in check quite easily and he couldn't figure out how to convert 3rd and short to save his ***.
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11-3 Pitt and 9-3 NC St held UM in check in 2021? UM was the #6 team in the country in converting 4th downs in 2020 and #18 in 2021. You think converting on 4th downs is easier than converting 3rd downs?
 
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The team didn’t quit until the offense was completely and utterly hopeless. We didn’t lose the earlier games because they quit, we lost them because we continuously made catastrophic mistakes on both sides of the ball. Coaches and players were responsible for that.

Mario didn’t lose the group, but they lost hope for the season. Allowing Gattis to linger was a huge mistake and he is getting his *** kicked for it. The offense turned on him, the coaches turned on each other and we were a complete mess. I don’t care how many blue chip players you signed. That kind of toxicity will sink any team.

Mario made some big miscalculations. He went for names over chemistry in his hires and he didn’t account for how hard teams were going to come for him on the recruiting trail after he stuck it in their faces with his success with the 2022 and 2023 classes.

If nothing else, he is a leader of men. These guys will play for him. The issue is he has to be sober with his football decisions. Stubbornness will get him his *** handed to him. The good thing about being humiliated last year is he couldn’t stay the course. Mediocrity could have deluded him into staying the course, but getting skull ****ed forced him to make changes.

He is exactly who he showed himself to be at Oregon and he will get us to that level. The real questions are is that his/our ceiling and how much wrath will he endure in the meantime. He used up his goodwill real quick with those losses.
 
Canesfan43 said:
It's so utterly absurd that Miami is the only school in the country that zeroes in on former Alumni/Coaches from the Glory Days when it's failed time and time again. Especially a dude that went too High School with several prominent boosters.

We need to start focusing on the best X's and O's coaches in the country and stop trying to be Georgia when we clearly can't bankroll it. Mario without Ruiz is Manny Diaz level recruiting, just have to face the facts that high level kids don't care about Relationships as much and getting 4am Text Messages from the "Hardest Worker in the Building" and the "Most Tireless Recruiter". Money talks and Money Walks

We need to hire from the Briles/Dykes Trees especially the ones from the South. **** I'd rather kick the can with Lashlee if he develops well in the next season or 2. At least our offense would be outscheming people for once
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Thank God we have social media for this...
Shannon/ Mario / Gino / JD.

2 of which were failures. Other two remain to be seen other than by overly emotional and impatient fans...

By the by hiring former alums is a regular occurrence all throughout college sports. It's not something unique to us. Keep this same energy. I'm really curious how many of y'all will come back and admit how foolish and wrong y'all were.
 
Zombie-Cane said:
Lashlee provided the best O we have seen in quite some time yes, but let's not act like he "out schemed" anything. Go back and watch, every team we played with a pulse on D held us in check quite easily and he couldn't figure out how to convert 3rd and short to save his ***.
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I still can't comprehend how so many people on here think lashlee did some amazing job. Don't get me wrong. I don't think most on here really understand what they're seeing. But even to an untrained eye we were a disaster plenty often. Great when we completely abandoned any hope of running the ball or any form of a possession based offense we could somewhat move the ball with the same 4 routes continuously. All of which was dependent on Harley/Rooster with the extended hand offs or Rambo with stretching the field. How did we look outside of that?
 
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Wario Cristobum said:
11-3 Pitt and 9-3 NC St held UM in check in 2021? UM was the #6 team in the country in converting 4th downs in 2020 and #18 in 2021. You think converting on 4th downs is easier than converting 3rd downs?
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They always like to point out short yardage issues and try to pin that on the coordinator. Like calling a different play on third and one would work when the offensive line was getting shoved into the backfield. Miami went from a middle of the road 59th in 3rd down conversions in 2021 to 77th in 2023. Given the talent available, the offenses in 2020 and 2021 were our best in almost two decades.
 
Gables Canes said:
A 1st time HC at freaking Duke is having more instant success than we are. Let that sink in
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Duke went 9-4 and didn't play a ranked team last seasons.

The Blue Devils as a program also previously did 14 seasons under David Cutcliffe—who showed up in Durham in 2008 and built a solid little roster of smart, heady, overachievers—before he hit a ceiling and started to backslide.

Conversely, Miami is now on its fifth head coach over that same span—Shannon in his second season when Cutcliffe started coaching at Duke.

All your point proves is that Miami's 2022 roster was loaded with a bunch of inflated-ego, underachieving divas last season—a bunch of betas and quitters from the Manny Diaz era—which caused the housecleaning after the 5-7 season.

Riley Leonard to Duke in 2022 was like Drake Maye to North Carolina in 2021; a sharp kid with that it factor—while Miami saw Tyler Van Dyke completely backslide in 2022, as well as getting injured and missing half the season—which also played a massive role in a brutally bad campaign.

Cristobal's efforts to rehab Diaz's clown show roster, versus Eklo getting through to a team of overachievers—with an alpha dog, leader of a quarterback—put Duke in a better position in 2022 than Miami was in.

Let's see where things go year two and three of both program's rebuilding efforts—but Duke's "instant success" under Elko was absolutely rooted in him having harder working, higher IQ overachievers and not dealing with the broken culture, rotting cancer of a roster Beta Manny handed over to Mario.
 
Brooklyndee said:
I still can't comprehend how so many people on here think lashlee did some amazing job. Don't get me wrong. I don't think most on here really understand what they're seeing. But even to an untrained eye we were a disaster plenty often. Great when we completely abandoned any hope of running the ball or any form of a possession based offense we could somewhat move the ball with the same 4 routes continuously. All of which was dependent on Harley/Rooster with the extended hand offs or Rambo with stretching the field. How did we look outside of that?
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The love affair with Lashlee's offense is laughable.

He was literally two games better than sorry-*** Josh Gattis—going 7-5 in 2021, starting out 2-4, needing TVD to play out of his mind to get to 5-4—beating NC State, Pitt and Georgia Tech by a combined eight points—before completely shatting the bed against a FSU team that was 3-6 on the year (with a loss to Jacksonville State) and 6-12 combined under Mike Norvell at that point.

Dude had zero running game and aired it out non-stop like he was in a video game. Hilarious.
 
Brooklyndee said:
Thank God we have social media for this...
Shannon/ Mario / Gino / JD.

2 of which were failures. Other two remain to be seen other than by overly emotional and impatient fans...

By the by hiring former alums is a regular occurrence all throughout college sports. It's not something unique to us. Keep this same energy. I'm really curious how many of y'all will come back and admit how foolish and wrong y'all were.
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ItsAUThing.com said:
The love affair with Lashlee's offense is laughable.

He was literally two games better than sorry-*** Josh Gattis—going 7-5 in 2021, starting out 2-4, needing TVD to play out of his mind to get to 5-4—beating NC State, Pitt and Georgia Tech by a combined eight points—before completely shatting the bed against a FSU team that was 3-6 on the year (with a loss to Jacksonville State) and 6-12 combined under Mike Norvell at that point.

Dude had zero running game and aired it out non-stop like he was in a video game. Hilarious.
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You're literally wrong about every single point you tried to make. Miami went from 31 points per game to 19 against FBS opponents. That's a huge drop-off.

The games were close against NC State, Pitt and Georgia Tech because the defense couldn't stop a nose bleed. Imagine if we were running Gattis' offense in 2021? Oh wait we saw what that looked like in 2022 when Pitt blew our doors off. Thankfully we actually had an offense that could score in 2021 and won those games.

You conveniently forgot the 2020 FSU game where Miami's offense scored 52 against FSU. And even when they lost in 2021, they scored 28 points. Gattis got three.

You want to penalize the OC/QB coach who got his backup quarterback to put up all conference type of numbers when the backup quarterbacks last year combined for 8 TDs and 7 INTs.

"Dude had zero run game" 2020: 163 yards per game 2021: 129 yards per game 2023: 128 yards per game. The running game actually got worse under Gattis.

There's plenty of stuff to complain about during Manny Diaz's tenure but an offense that averaged the most points per game since 2002 isn't one of them.
 
Brooklyndee said:
Thank God we have social media for this...
Shannon/ Mario / Gino / JD.

2 of which were failures. Other two remain to be seen other than by overly emotional and impatient fans...

By the by hiring former alums is a regular occurrence all throughout college sports. It's not something unique to us. Keep this same energy. I'm really curious how many of y'all will come back and admit how foolish and wrong y'all were.
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I have a guess...... 0...
Did I win???... LOL!!!
It's why I've resorted to mostly Gifs because trying to engage with repetitive nonsense goes nowhere...
 
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Canesfan43 said:
It's so utterly absurd that Miami is the only school in the country that zeroes in on former Alumni/Coaches from the Glory Days when it's failed time and time again. Especially a dude that went too High School with several prominent boosters.

We need to start focusing on the best X's and O's coaches in the country and stop trying to be Georgia when we clearly can't bankroll it. Mario without Ruiz is Manny Diaz level recruiting, just have to face the facts that high level kids don't care about Relationships as much and getting 4am Text Messages from the "Hardest Worker in the Building" and the "Most Tireless Recruiter". Money talks and Money Walks

We need to hire from the Briles/Dykes Trees especially the ones from the South. **** I'd rather kick the can with Lashlee if he develops well in the next season or 2. At least our offense would be outscheming people for once
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FWIW, Al Golden went pretty hard with the 4:00 AM brainwashing type text messages you’re talking about. That’s not a style exclusive to Miami. Seems like you want an Andy Reid over a Bill B. Mario is probably closer to Bill B.
 
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