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Stop blaming the players for going! Even 7th rounders can make big bucks

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It's a 7 Million dollar difference in the length of the contract. I don't know how you roll but that's a huge difference IMO. That's the difference between end of the first round to 7th. End of the 3rd to 7th is still around a 2 million dollar difference.
 
Canesfan1899 said:
It's a 7 Million dollar difference in the length of the contract. I don't know how you roll but that's a huge difference IMO. That's the difference between end of the first round to 7th. End of the 3rd to 7th is still around a 2 million dollar difference.
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Understood.

I'm not comparing $$ between 1st and 7th rounders.

I'm talking about even 7th rounders and the player's previous circumstances. I hope that clears it up
 
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Canesfan1899 said:
I understand your point but when NFL personnel advise you to return to school you should heed that advice. Too many of these kids come out early and don't get drafted.
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I hear you loud and clear.

I'm not saying I agree, just saying plain and simple, IF I'm not well off, even 7th round money is a big draw
 
Agree. Every decision is different. There’s a ton of kids who desperately need the money, have family obligations or simply cannot handle or hate college. No even getting into the risk of injury that’s a whole other story.
ThomasM said:
I personally judge the decisions on a player by player basis. Some guys have no business declaring for the draft, while others it makes perfectly good sense.
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The fundamental gap in this argument is that if you don't make a roster you don't make anything. Also, if you are a developing talent, the money you forego by leaving one year early, can dwarf anything you receive as a late rounder.

The following article was written by someone who has too much time on his hands. It comes from SBNAtion Broncos site. He studied fifteen years of data on all draft picks and calculates the percentage of players that will be on the roster at the beginning of years 1 through 5. His data indicates that slightly more than 50% of all seventh round draft picks are on the teams roster at the beginning of year 1.

https://www.milehighreport.com/2014/5/13/5713996/how-long-does-the-average-draft-pick-stick-around
 
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SPAMM said:
The fundamental gap in this argument is that if you don't make a roster you don't make anything. Also, if you are a developing talent, the money you forego by leaving one year early, can dwarf anything you receive as a late rounder.

The following article was written by someone who has too much time on his hands. It comes from SBNAtion Broncos site. He studied fifteen years of data on all draft picks and calculates the percentage of players that will be on the roster at the beginning of years 1 through 5. His data indicates that slightly more than 50% of all seventh round draft picks are on the teams roster at the beginning of year 1.

https://www.milehighreport.com/2014/5/13/5713996/how-long-does-the-average-draft-pick-stick-around
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I agree

As I said before I'm NOT arguing the merits of someone going or staying......only saying that to someone not well off even if he falls to the 7th round, declaring for the draft can be an enticing choice.

I'm aware of ALL the fallacies, such as everyone"thinks" that they'll play forever, making the roster etc. etc.

But I'm just talking reality, just say to any underprivileged player you can get approximately at the very least $100,000 bonus and a $500,000 salary ( $$ 7th rounders get ) now if you're drafted and their eyes will open wide.
 
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MainLineCane said:
I hear you loud and clear.

I'm not saying I agree, just saying plain and simple, IF I'm not well off, even 7th round money is a big draw
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The vast majority of these players are going to make far more money off their degree rather than the NFL or any other football league. I feel society and culture should embrace this more. Even if you are one of those that look like you are going to be gifted enough to make money in the NFL still take your degree seriously because you are one accident on or off the field from losing the football money. If you are already in a hard situation this should be embraced doubly as that means it will be even tougher for you to finish it without the scholarships.


I view anybody who pushes a player to enter the draft early when they aren't a sure fired first rounder to be similar to someone who advises you to take your entire retirement savings and any future retirement savings you would put in and instead spend it all on lottery tickets.
 
PanteraCanes said:
The vast majority of these players are going to make far more money off their degree rather than the NFL or any other football league. I feel society and culture should embrace this more. Even if you are one of those that look like you are going to be gifted enough to make money in the NFL still take your degree seriously because you are one accident on or off the field from losing the football money. If you are already in a hard situation this should be embraced doubly as that means it will be even tougher for you to finish it without the scholarships.


I view anybody who pushes a player to enter the draft early when they aren't a sure fired first rounder to be similar to someone who advises you to take your entire retirement savings and any future retirement savings you would put in and instead spend it all on lottery tickets.
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Very well said. Obviously it needs to be on a case by case basis, but the numbers don’t lie, declaring early when advised to stay in school is extremely risky. The trend for early declarations is rising and a large amount of those guys end up not even drafted. It’s vital to look at the opportunity cost of each decision, but setting yourself up best for long term wealth is more important than potential short term riches
 
Professional football is one of the very few "lottery ticket" type jobs you can get in life.

There aren't too many jobs where someone can be set for life like you can with a football contract in an early round.

Very few.

With that said, leaving early and planning to be a 7th round pick doesn't sound like the best choice - unless there is a dire situation which requires someone to get some money in their pocket today.
 
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7th round money is probably better than what they can earn with whatever degree they end up with and starting at some entry level position. This may be a good decision for both, or not. If it doesn't work out they can come back to earn their degrees. If they would have stayed another year, maybe they get drafted higher or sustain a football career ending injury. Who knows? They are grown men and need to make the best decisions for themselves as well as be accountable for the consequences good or bad.
 
apfenny3 said:
Very well said. Obviously it needs to be on a case by case basis, but the numbers don’t lie, declaring early when advised to stay in school is extremely risky. The trend for early declarations is rising and a large amount of those guys end up not even drafted. It’s vital to look at the opportunity cost of each decision, but setting yourself up best for long term wealth is more important than potential short term riches
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I think it should be written into every contract that the NFL will pay for the young man to finish his degree, at the school of their choice, once their playing days are done.
 
NFL teams pay their players two ways. The first is a signing bonus. That's money given up front when you sign your contract. That's the only guaranteed money the player gets. The rest of the contract is paid on a weekly basis during the regular season. You get one check for every week of the regular season. It's already been noted that over 40% of 7th round picks never make the opening day roster so those guys only collect a signing bonus and nothing else. Signing bonuses for 7th rounders are around $65,000. A decent chunk of change for one year(especially for a college kid with no money) but hardly a life altering sum. Considering that's more than likely the end of their football career though, it seems disappointing.

Every situation is different and of course, for some kids, it's probably in their best interests to get out of school as fast as possible but for many, leaving early is a death knell. The number of early entrants who go undrafted goes up every year. There's always the risk of injury when staying but it's very rare for a highly draft rated kid to come back and get injured and lose a ton of money. It happens but not nearly as often as people want to believe.
 
I'm the LAST guy to play the race card but I find a tinge of it (along with some soft bigotry of low expectations) when A LOT of us are always so quick to assume a kid/his family is beyond dirt poor while we poo poo away the notion of a kid potentially leaving millions of dollars on the table because he's getting SOMETHING now. And getting ANYTHING is the safest/wisest thing for these kids, right? Hmmm.

Obviously there's also the crowd that thinks players shouid be paid in college so they should jump at the first opportunity to get a payday too but even that mindset is flawed as it's based more in a protest of the reality of the NCAA vs maximizing the lifetime earning potential of the individual player in the current system.

Also, people that look at this and still see life changing generational wealth for a late pick obviously don't understand guaranteed/non-guaranteed money or have any notion of the current tax brackets in this country.

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