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Statistical Look at OSU Defense

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Cribby said:
I’ll say it until I’m blue in the face “ this isn’t the game to play in a phone booth. Use space as an extra man , bigger throwing windows and gives wr’s more room for separation”
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I think it needs to be a combo of the 2. Space is needed but there will also be the need for A gap runs.
 
ShadowSpring said:
you really trying to argue Texas was a good squad in week 1? really?

this should be a funny argument upcoming
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ND started 0-2 and beat no one else. Does that mean your week 1 win isn’t quality? Y’all reach as much as humanly possible. Now because we beat them week 1 it’s not a good win.
Like you said earlier it won’t really matter in 48 hrs. Reality is gonna hit hard.
 
mwatt4233 said:
ND started 0-2 and beat no one else. Does that mean your week 1 win isn’t quality? Y’all reach as much as humanly possible. Now because we beat them week 1 it’s not a good win.
Like you said earlier it won’t really matter in 48 hrs. Reality is gonna hit hard.
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Oh for **** sakes. Texas was garbage in week 1 and didn't put it together until November. Nobody in their right mind treats that as some quality win. Texas was awful. You people are so stupid and annoying. Far worse than Gator fans. Good grief man. That game doesn't even matter now but you want your fake tuff schedule trophy
 
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mwatt4233 said:
Just stop because you have no rebuttal. Beating A&M is a quality win for you but not for Texas two week prior? It’s ridiculous
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No that is a dumb argument: Team X beat Team Y and we beat Team X so we are better always fails... first you keep saying Texas "handily" beat A&M, they won by 10, we won by 7, so 3 points is the difference between handily beating someone and barely winning or are you using the eyeball test?

How about this logic then which plays into yours, do you think UF is a quality win? My guess is no.

But using your logic, UF for us is also a "quality" win. I mean, how can you deny that if you say Texas is a quality win for you when UF handily beat Texas and we handily beat UF one week prior to them blowing the doors off of texas? See how thats a dumbass argument?
 
ST26 said:
I'm not here to debate those other teams because this comment is just not relevant to what we're talking about. All I'm saying is if Dawson goes out there trying to outwit and out-scheme Patricia, it will lead us down the road of turnover city. This game can't be a track meet, because OSU just has too many tows. I think playing cute and thinking we can out scheme OSU is a huge mistake. This needs to be a sluggish and sloppy game. We can still keep OSU on their toes by keeping the gameplan simple. However, we win this game by playing smash mouth football and putting the hammer too them in the run game. OSU really doesn't do well when people punch them in the mouth, which is why I think we have a chance. If there is a team that can win the line of scrimmage and physicality game, it's us
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My worry is they drop in 1 more into the box and take away the run (unfortunately Sonny Styles is a problem), and we waste a couple of drives trying to establish the run, giving their offense short fields. What options we got down 10/14-0?
 
It takes actual effort to research the opposing teams message board and create an account. Then start posting. I always wonder what these people are like in real life. Must be something to behold
 
The thing is ...

No.one has really tried to air it out against them

The one team that did (Illinois) scored the most on them. Granted, it was only 16 pts, but maybe ... just maybe...

Beck gotta have at least 30 PA and go for 250+.

Maybe thats the key.

Patricia is from that Belichik tree. You look at the SBs they lost, it was against Qbs who put the ball in play (twice to Eli and once to Nick Foles).

Can't play safe against them. Il that's a scary thought w Beck, but these are the games ypu pay him for.
 
305407cane said:
It takes actual effort to research the opposing teams message board and create an account. Then start posting. I always wonder what these people are like in real life. Must be something to behold
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Yeah it was super tough finding a Miami football forum. Took 1 minute of my day. It started because I just wanted to see your fan base’s opinions and only to read. After a week+ some of the ridiculous stuff being spewed caused me to create an account, again not very difficult.
 
We have to make sayin not throw to his 1st read and stop OSU run game and we will have success. And for our O gonna have to take some deep shots to win this game. Can’t have every drive be like 15 plays lol
 
mwatt4233 said:
Yeah it was super tough finding a Miami football forum. Took 1 minute of my day. It started because I just wanted to see your fan base’s opinions and only to read. After a week+ some of the ridiculous stuff being spewed caused me to create an account, again not very difficult.
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Just sounds like a lot. not sure I ever get there but keep on trucking pal
 
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We got the better lines, they got the better WR core, and LB Core, and that NT is a problem. With that being said they can be beat. It will come down to coaching.

I trust our tackles and guards to handle their man, the problem will come down to communication when OSU stunts and blitzes. Dawson better have a plan to Neutralise and/or counter that NT if Brock is havin problems. I want to see how Fletcher handles picking up blitzes against their LBs. I want to see how Styles handles Anez Cooper coming his way, I want to see Toney used as a decoy sometimes, and Dawson to create mismatches. If their LBs can cover so much space like everybody says have them mfers cover as much space as possible. I wanna to see them 1v1 against Pringle and Lofton in the passing game. I want to see early passing downs and trust our WRs to win 1v1 on the outside. To top it all off I want to see some rb screens. We have the better lines than anybody OSU has played, let’s put our players in a position to make plays.
 
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flips said:
Who's saying we need to run the ball all game? I think we, at a minimum need to run the ball as effectively as Indiana did against them, and my hope is that we are able to run the ball as effectively as Oregon (game 1 last year) & Texas did this year. I simply don't think we can win the game without running the ball effectively (let's call that 120-150+ yards & 4+ ypc) against them. Most of the discussion after that has been about the best tactics and plays to use in the run game. If I have come off sounding like I think we need to play like '94 Nebraska against OSU, I apologize.

We all saw what Beck was like against a good back 7 when we couldn't run the ball at all with our backs against UL, and saw similar performances last year at UGA when their backs couldn't get things going. We 100% need to push the ball down the field through the air. Like you, I don't love our matchups outside of Toney (also am cautiously optimistic that CJ can win occasionally downfield against them). I like getting Toney vertical, especially down the seam like we did against VTech. TEs should have opportunities too, but I'm not going to hold my breath on that one.

I guess where we differ is I rate our chances to run the ball effectively against them a bit higher than an effective passing game (which, since we really haven't defined what that looks like I'll assume its like Mendoza against OSU: a couple of 30+ yard pass completions, some DPIs down the field, YPA closer to 10 than OSU's season average of 5.5, etc). We have at a minimum 3 pros on our OL. Fletcher is coming off the best game of his life and is fully healthy again. Who knows if Pringle can contribute against OSU, but I'm cautiously optimistic. I've seen fans posting that they hope Josh Moore, JoJo Trader, and Tony Johnson have big games catching the ball downfield against OSU. I hope so too, but it's pretty unlikely.

Lastly, I don't think a lot of folks appreciate how different our running back production has been since our second loss, and that was what I was mainly trying to express in response to your yearlong rushing efficiency posts from X. I think it's a pretty unique transformation of a RB room. I did a bit more digging with some comparisions to last year (both full year and after we got Rivers back against UL and Martinez got cooking). Granted, outside of Pitt we played bad rush defenses to end the year, but that's the same thing that happened last year from UL-ISU, and Pitt was #8 in EPA/rush allowed and #4 in YPC allowed, and our backs ran the ball effectively against them (28 for 128):
  • 4.2 ypc Fletcher/Brown/Lyle through SMU
  • 3.5 ypc brown & Lyle (45% of carries)
  • 4.8 ypc Fletcher (55%)

  • 5.7ypc Fletcher/Brown/Lyle/Pringle after SMU
  • 6.4 ypc Fletcher/Pringle after SMU (71%)
  • 3.8 ypc Brown/Lyle after SMU (29%)

  • 4.6 ypc Fletcher/brown/Lyle/Pringle entire year
  • 3.6 ypc Brown/Lyle entire year (39%)
  • 5.4 ypc Fletcher/Pringle entire year (61%)

  • 6.2 ypc top 4 backs last year
  • Last year from Louisville to end:
    • Martinez/Fletcher/Lyle/Allen avg 6.6 ypc
    • Martinez/Fletcher: 6.5 ypc (86% of carries)
So, I stand by my take that we were a bad running team for most of the year, but we no longer are. Most teams don't hand the ball off nearly half the time over their first 7 FBS games to 2 RBs who were as ineffective and inefficient as Lyle and Brown were. We stopped doing that so much, then stopped giving them the ball at all againt A&M, and now we are night and day running the ball with our backs.

Go Canes; Beat Taint! We both want the same outcome, and if your way gets us there tomorrow night I'll be happy as can be.
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Agree with most of what you said i was mainly talking about the people saying this is the game for mario to go full bro ball, win in a phone booth type game. I disagree with that, im not against it if we are having success but i think osu defense is built to stop the run. Its a big10 defense.

I think our oline strength is pass blocking and their weakness is pass rush, so im saying if we win its because dawson/beck found openings in important situations. Of course we need a solid run game too we aren’t just gonna go air raid but i don’t think thats how u beat them. I think we should test their secondary like we did with notre dame early

Why im not with just saying post smu or just picking and choosing which games to factor in for what our run game is, is because are we going to factor in what defenses we played? Are we factoring in how who they played compared to who osu has seen?
 
Despite all the 5 stars on their roster and Patricia as the DC, if we had Cam Ward at QB with this defense I think we win comfortably. Don’t have to have their roster to win, just the right players.
 
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