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State of the Program Post-Shannon vs Post-Golden

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A lot of talk on the board about scheme, hirings, and whether or not Richt got the right staff, etc.

I’m interested in seeing where the board thinks our team is now compared to the day Shannon left.

I’m not talking about Golden vs Richt or anything like that. Strictly the state of the program, depth wise, conditioning, upcoming recruiting class, etc.

hindsight is always better, but I remember that class shannon had committed at the time was absolute trash and he didn’t seem to have any motivation to recruit any longer. The team was also one of the most physically poor conditioned teams we’ve ever had here. Golden on the other hand, outside of WR and CB seems to have us with depth and talent at all positions.

Future looked brighter the second we canned golden, while shannon firing was welcomed and rejoiced, I felt like the program had much further to go.

Basically before we found out about the infamous “cloud” and before golden was hired vs the day after golden was fired, which program was left in better shape for the next head coach?
 
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much better position today. one shannon had 7 guys commited at time of firing 7. golden had 16. miami was coming into the shapiro mess. we knew it was coming just not sure when. surpised they didn't tell golden up front about it. everyone knew was coming.

talent level is much better now then when shannon left. shannon relied so heavily on that one btw class. and they failed miserably. say what we want about golden. he was a horrid coach. i thought deserved 5th year. ill admit it , but i think all coaches in college deserve 5th year. its when all players are there own.

golden did improve on talent that he inherited. that was shown last year. compared to previous years talentn level much better now than when he took over
 
As big of a ******* failure Al was, he left a half decent roster behingd, and a decent recruiting class.

Randy's roster consisted of 80 wide receivers, and had something like 5 commits in December when Al took over.
 
Golden squandered a bunch of talent but he left Mark richt with an abundance of talent as well I'm not even going to lie
 
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We're a Left Tackle, LB depth, dynamic Safety, dynamic RB, solid Corner and solid WR from competing for a playoff spot next year.

We may be able to find partials of some of those on the current roster.

I'd say it's much, much better shape than 2011.
 
2010, if I recall, wasn't a great year for us in recruiting. Then Shannon left us with a mess with the 2011 class. (Didn't Golden even have to find kickers late in the process?) Then came the Shapiro scandal. And it wasn't like he had roots in South Florida.
Gotta cut some Golden some slack. He deserved to go. No question. But he really had to dig out of a hole.
 
Folden left us with more talent and more talent to come. Look at Kaaya and Allison at QB, what many consider a team's most important position... not much to complain about. Richt will make us better. Folden got good players, he just didn't know how to use them. If Richt can recruit the same talent as Folden, we'll be a 10 win team. If he can do better.. we can challenge for the playoffs.
 
LuCane said:
We're a Left Tackle, LB depth, dynamic Safety, dynamic RB, solid Corner and solid WR from competing for a playoff spot next year.

We may be able to find partials of some of those on the current roster.

I'd say it's much, much better shape than 2011.
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Honestly think the rb and linebacker problem is gone with the recruits we have coming in. I think Homer can be a great one and I'm not sure the last time we had a linebacker core this good coming in out of high school. All are EE so have the chance to make impact early as well
 
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I think we are way better structurally. Obviously new facilities but also more money etc. Golden got a lot of what he asked for so in that sense we are way better.
As far as the roster is concerned...without looking it up I want to say we are deeper overall but I have to look it up.
 
Al golden obviously left a much better recruiting class and I'd say for the most part in better shape at most positions (most importantly quarterback) However, two positions that I feel should be a lot better considering this is Miami are receiver and corner...however it looks like the incoming class will address those positions heavily.
 
Part of the reason we were so angry with Golden is he did have the program in decent shape talent wise AND WE STILL SUCKED. He may be the better leader between him and Shannon but they were both terrible coaches. I think Golden had a much worse staff though. (Even considering Patrick Nix)
 
LuCane said:
We're a Left Tackle, LB depth, dynamic Safety, dynamic RB, solid Corner and solid WR from competing for a playoff spot next year.

We may be able to find partials of some of those on the current roster.

I'd say it's much, much better shape than 2011.
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Respectfully disagree.

The squad is an entire OL away from just being CD competitive, let alone ACCCG and beyond. That will likely take 3 years to just turn around the OL while keeping current pieces and recruiting new faces for the other position groups you mentioned.

The OL right now is just not a competitive P5 conference unit...and appears to not even be close.
 
talent wise would say we are in better shape. attitude wise is the big question as it all depends on how many of these guys were Goldenized. Golden did not making winning a necessity and desperately tried to have our kids buy into a cult level koolaid drinking culture. we are either gonna have a bunch of football players stoked to be done with that crap and are excited for a real coach or we will have a bunch of kids that shouldn't be here that struggle with the change and set the actual football players back. we just don't know the amount of actual football guys compared to happy to be here guys.
 
When we fired Shannon he had Teddy Bridgewater in his pocket and his favorite receiver. We fired Shannon and lost a future NFL quarterback. Meanwhile, we got Kaaya from Golden/Coley and Brad can't seem to win the big game yet. Also, when we fired Shannon almost all of the class of 2008 left early in protest, including Olivier Vernon and others. And, if you really want to be fair, and none of you do it seems, Randy began his tenure with a beaten Kyle and no backup. Randy left Golden with a respectable amount of talent and Al didn't even try to connect with it because these were inner city guys to him that didn't match his PSU South plan. He left the local talent leave. It sent a bad message that doomed his time at UM.
 
He stacked the roster even with the misses of other top level recruits but he also instilled values that are detrimental for teams to be great IMO. Obviously the "don't rise to the ocassion, trust your training"' comes to mind... And his other ridiculous pillars
 
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When we fired Shannon he had Teddy Bridgewater in his pocket and his favorite receiver. We fired Shannon and lost a future NFL quarterback. Meanwhile, we got Kaaya from Golden/Coley and Brad can't seem to win the big game yet. Also, when we fired Shannon almost all of the class of 2008 left early in protest, including Olivier Vernon and others. And, if you really want to be fair, and none of you do it seems, Randy began his tenure with a beaten Kyle and no backup. Randy left Golden with a respectable amount of talent and Al didn't even try to connect with it because these were inner city guys to him that didn't match his PSU South plan. He left the local talent leave. It sent a bad message that doomed his time at UM.
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While I agree that Randy inherited a not so great roster (he was part of the staff that created it)
The Bridgewater stuff is revisionist history.
Bridgewater was a shaky commit at best for month's before Shannon got fired.
Chances are Bridgewater would have de-committed regardless of Shannon staying or being fired.
That de-commitment was comming all season long.
 
Even as late as 2014, Bridgewater says he wouldn't have de-committed from Miami until they hired Golden. Now why would he say that now, 2014, many years later, if it wasn't true? Minnesota Vikings QB Teddy Bridgewater: Made in Miami - TwinCities.com He had no axe to grind in 2014. He just telling you what motivated him after he made the league. What would be his motivation for lying when his college career was over? I suspect none, he was telling it like it was, he wasn't in the plans for PSU South.
 
Glad the Vikes got their hearts ripped out today. Can't stand Bridgewater and his damned ****y throat slashing ***. Hope he never wins anything of consequence in the NFL.
 
I remember at time he was a wavering commitment before Shannon was fired.
He was taking other visits before Shannon was fired.
He even gave an interview saying he wasn't sure about UM because of the way the fans treated Jacory.
Hey maybe he would have stayed commited...but to say he was a solid commitment before Shannon was fired is not how it was.
It's history now anyway.
 
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