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MEGA Mega Merged Stadium Thread.

rsa coral gables said:
yes, but slightly out of the way. i think they are going to have to build into the ground in order to lose some height. i know it remains an issue with the FAA
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I hear you. We probably agree on about 60-70 percent of this, I'm just accustomed to "big sporting venues" being able to (eventually) work out all of the details. The NASCAR track in Michigan...not only did we get a "regular" tax credit, but then we got a REFUNDABLE tax credit (on the income tax return) for "roadway and pedestrian improvements". There was about a 5-year period where we were getting a few million back from the state each year.

I would show people on the Michigan Income Tax return where there was a separate itemized line for our tax credit. Seeing as we were the only racetrack in the state to qualify for it...funny stuff...

Just like the special provision in the Internal Revenue Code (depreciation) for "motorsports entertainment facilities".
 
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Highline17 said:
The issue is that tropical park is a dangerous and long ******* walk if even feasible.
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I had an idea to run a dedicated shuttle up and down Blue Road on gamedays, you'd just need to finish out a bit of the road (and a tunnel or bridge) once you got to within a mile of Tropical.
 
Cryptical Envelopment said:
I used to. I forget the deal points. Bottom line is we are at a very bad competitive disadvantage to our rivals who have their own stadiums. You need to own the parking, F&B, concessions, merch, signage, naming, sponsor/partner activation rights, upsells, rental income for non-football events like concerts, conventions, meetings, even weddings and on and on. You need to be able to sell permanent integrations.

We are also not only 4th fiddle to the Fins, F1 and tennis at this juncture, but, and this has been my #1 point since the start of this thread, we have no program security. The Fins are going to have a new owner at some point, not too long from now. No one lives forever and Ross is no spring chicken. What if the next Fins owner decides he doesn't want to share the stadium with a college team? Or what if he's a Gator or Golden Domer that wants to do us no favors? We have almost no leverage, and no security. You know how many people in sports would just love to end the UM football program? They hate us.

Does this seem farfetched? Maybe some of it is. But do you want to expose UM to these risks for all eternity? We need our own stadium. Anyone who doesn't understand that just isn't trying hard enough.
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Perhaps we could play at FIUs crib.
Thy don't hate us, right?..
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I hear you. We probably agree on about 60-70 percent of this, I'm just accustomed to "big sporting venues" being able to (eventually) work out all of the details. The NASCAR track in Michigan...not only did we get a "regular" tax credit, but then we got a REFUNDABLE tax credit (on the income tax return) for "roadway and pedestrian improvements". There was about a 5-year period where we were getting a few million back from the state each year.

I would show people on the Michigan Income Tax return where there was a separate itemized line for our tax credit. Seeing as we were the only racetrack in the state to qualify for it...funny stuff...

Just like the special provision in the Internal Revenue Code (depreciation) for "motorsports entertainment facilities".
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a couple of things to remember.

1. there really isn't space within the urban core to build a large stadium. if there were, this would a different story and then the details (traffic, politics, money, tax credits) could be worked out and are not insurmountable.

2. the only locations where there is available land are NW Miami Dade County and Homestead (doesn't resolve the proximity to school issue) and Tropical or another park. Tropical or another park IMHO is not achievable politically.
 
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rsa coral gables said:
check your numbers. the shopping center is 12 acres, the area to the east is +/-4. magic city is 29 acres.
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Again, buildings are less acreage, all the land is a lot more.

Same-size comparatives:

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Can't even fit it all into the same picture:
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Obviously not as big as Hard Rock:
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So everyone agrees that building a stadium inside TP presents a traffic and logistical nightmare the likes of which no one has experienced ever before. But those who live within walking distance of this stand-still wouldn't dream of walking a short distance to avoid it? Got it.

Also, many who live near TP could tailgate at home in their swimming pool and walk over closer to game time. Unless of course you're **** bent on tailgating for 8 hours outside the stadium in 95 degree heat which I personally don't understand.
 
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rsa coral gables said:
a couple of things to remember.

1. there really isn't space within the urban core to build a large stadium. if there were, this would a different story and then the details (traffic, politics, money, tax credits) could be worked out and are not insurmountable.

2. the only locations where there is available land are NW Miami Dade County and Homestead (doesn't resolve the proximity to school issue) and Tropical or another park. Tropical or another park IMHO is not achievable politically.
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I would consider Tropical park to be feasible (still difficult) because of the high prevalence of sport fields and the current state of the park
 
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rsa coral gables said:
a couple of things to remember.

1. there really isn't space within the urban core to build a large stadium. if there were, this would a different story and then the details (traffic, politics, money, tax credits) could be worked out and are not insurmountable.

2. the only locations where there is available land are NW Miami Dade County and Homestead (doesn't resolve the proximity to school issue) and Tropical or another park. Tropical or another park IMHO is not achievable politically.
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The north end of the shopping center (north of Magic City) is FOUR BLOCKS from the 836, and is accessible from both the Douglas and LeJeune exits.

The combo of the shopping center and casino land would be LARGER than the Marlins area, though not as large as Hard Rock.

The site is just a couple of miles west of where the Orange Bowl sat for decades, so we are not talking about some wildly different neighborhood. Had the OB renovations gone through, we'd still be playing games there.

And I've satisfied the "no use of a public park" criterion.

Not sure what the opposition would be, if the money was willing. Both pieces of land, put together, are bigger than what the Orange Bowl originally was.

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hoops156 said:
lol **** no not for canes football. we get **** attendance on average. no one is walking lol.
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They can't even be bothered to walk to Watsco or the Light, but 4 miles to TP, then stand around for a few hours tailgating, another few for the game, then another hour back, sure, that's totally reasonable.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
The north end of the shopping center (north of Magic City) is FOUR BLOCKS from the 836, and is accessible from both the Douglas and LeJeune exits.

The combo of the shopping center and casino land would be LARGER than the Marlins area, though not as large as Hard Rock.

The site is just a couple of miles west of where the Orange Bowl sat for decades, so we are not talking about some wildly different neighborhood. Had the OB renovations gone through, we'd still be playing games there.

And I've satisfied the "no use of a public park" criterion.

Not sure what the opposition would be, if the money was willing. Both pieces of land, put together, are bigger than what the Orange Bowl originally was.

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i think too small because lack of parking. the OB worked because the OB was built and then the neighborhood grew around it. but even if the area were large enough (stadium on magic city side, structured parking across the street for 10000 cars or so), the magic city parcel was just sold (or will be closing in the future) and it is not for sale again.
 
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rsa coral gables said:
yes, absolutely they will. ****, they'll pay someone to have the right to walk
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Sidewalks or no. That's as ridiculous as the whole argument of alienating anyone to the north because more will come from the south.

Long story short, until there a proposal passed by a municipality and the funding, and the buy in of the university who listens to their wealthy donors, it's all just talk.
 
rsa coral gables said:
marlins stadium is /+- 14 acres.

use this website to obtain the land acreage

Property Search

www.miamidade.gov www.miamidade.gov
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Maybe the stadium is. The shopping center is L-shaped. So "the land" is the most important consideration.

All three Google Maps pictures are identical ratios. Shopping Center/Magic City is a bigger piece of land than Marlins, but smaller than Hard Rock/F1/Tennis/Dolphins Practice.
 
rsa coral gables said:
i think too small because lack of parking. the OB worked because the OB was built and then the neighborhood grew around it. but even if the area were large enough (stadium on magic city side, structured parking across the street for 10000 cars or so), the magic city parcel was just sold (or will be closing in the future) and it is not for sale again.
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Modern football stadiums in urban area have SOME amount of parking-garage parking now. They just do. Mercedes-Benz. SoFi. You name it.

And if you design and plan it properly, you can tailgate in (parts of) a parking garage. I've done that in Tallahassee.

And you've still got the surrounding neighborhoods for yard parking. We'd still be doing that two miles to the east if the OB renovations had happened.

A lot has happened since 2005, including Uber/Lyft and shuttles. When we were in law school, UM had those crappy jitneys as shuttles, but now they have larger capacity vehicles that are quite nice.

Where there's a will, there's a way. Garages. Surface lots. Neighborhood parking. Shuttles from UM. Shuttles from Melreese. Shuttles from Marlins Stadium. Whatever it takes.
 
JD08 said:
Do you really think they'll walk an hour in the Florida afternoon sun in September?
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Just to be clear, I would not expect many of the students who live on campus to make the trek by foot (they would shuttle to/from), but there are lots of students who live between campus and TP who would consider arriving on foot, whether walking or getting dropped off nearby.

Maybe I'm weird but it;s boggled my mind since 2008 that Miami fans insist on spending the 8 hours before kickoff cooking on an asphalt parking lot in Miami Gardens in 90 degree heat. It's hot as heII whether you're walking or standing perfectly still.

But to add context and to be perfectly honest, I live between campus and TP and would absolutely walk there instead of dealing with getting in and out by car. But I also despise traffic jams and have no issue tailgating at home in the pool. And I'm sure plenty of students (and fans/alumni) who live off-campus within 1 or 2 miles would adopt a similar strategy (pre-game pool parties, etc and then walk or get dropped off nearby). If tailgating outside the stadium is a must-do for you then of course you wouldn't want to lug gear and you'll suck it up and wait 3 hours to park.

But yes, I would expect to see scores of people walking past the traffic jam en route to the stadium, especially as you get nearer to TP.
 
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