Stacking the deck...

[tomi]

UGA top 10 is a joke, they have a good running game and thats it, their defense is serviceable

not sure why missouri is in there, haven't really proved anything

A&M deserves it with their big win against ASU

the SEC love is way too much

Woah, I attend mizzou. Im still a cane fan but mizzou has won their 10+ games and their division 2 years in a row. I can make a case that Mizzou is the most slept on program in the ******* country....

 

[GonzoCane]

The fix is in.

 

[ball915]

Don't get rustled off of preseason hype and cupcake wins. Let it play out and see how it ends up. However, do agree that the SEC gets unnecessary love based on the fact that the SEC has won 7 ships in a row at 1 point among 5 schools and the remaining 9 schools are reeping the benefits from the top SEC teams success

 

[CanesNation26]

# of SEC teams ranked in the top 25 recruiting wise in the last 4 years (ESPN):

2015- 11
2014- 10 (4 out of the top 5... 7 out of the top 10)
2013- 10
2012- 8

And people wonder why they're so good. Obviously recruiting isn't everything, look at us for the last decade, but they're a conference that gets the top horses, has programs and departments that are willing to commit huge amounts of money to their football programs, and have very passionate fans and boosters who are obsessed with winning. It's a conference that is extremely competitive and sure you can cite their shidy bowl record last year but if you look at the last 5-10 years then last years bowl results look like an anomaly. Yea they're hyped up and get over the top love from the media, no way 10 SEC teams finish in the top 25, but for the most part it's well deserved. They show out on the field. Coaches want to coach there and players want to play there.

 

[QueenOfSpades]

Hey, look at all these excuses about why them doing what they need to do (winning when they play other conferences) should be marginalized.

There were 4 opportunities for the other power 5 conferences to make the SEC look over rated and all 4 of them failed.

Right, because four teams winning in week one is a lot more important than the SEC getting completely embarrassed in the 2014 bowl season. No, really, you nailed it. Those September 6th games tell everything.

You do realize you can't base rankings off how good teams were in bowl games in the previous year right? That's irrelevant right now.

But you can decide how good Mississippi is based on a game against Tennessee-Martin?

Read your statement. Do you think Ohio State is a unanimous #1 just because? Or does last season play into this? Common sense, folks.

 

[wherrera8]

Hey, look at all these excuses about why them doing what they need to do (winning when they play other conferences) should be marginalized.

There were 4 opportunities for the other power 5 conferences to make the SEC look over rated and all 4 of them failed.

Right, because four teams winning in week one is a lot more important than the SEC getting completely embarrassed in the 2014 bowl season. No, really, you nailed it. Those September 6th games tell everything.

You do realize you can't base rankings off how good teams were in bowl games in the previous year right? That's irrelevant right now.

But you can decide how good Mississippi is based on a game against Tennessee-Martin?

Read your statement. Do you think Ohio State is a unanimous #1 just because? Or does last season play into this? Common sense, folks.

I didn't say anything about Miss. State. Ohio State is number 1 because they return a lot of the same guys that won a national championship.

Also, you said bowl game. A bowl game doesn't decide the rankings. Common sense would tell you they don't rank these teams by bowl game performance. That's absurd: looking at one game from the previous season to decide the current rankings

 

[Klamalama]

Don't be like Ped State. Don't let the Canes ruin your day.

Firing Day is 83 away.

[video=youtube;uy7LgzSiQFg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy7LgzSiQFg[/video]

I was at this game. Have to say, that the Ped State student body = bunch of azzholes.

 

[QueenOfSpades]

Hey, look at all these excuses about why them doing what they need to do (winning when they play other conferences) should be marginalized.

There were 4 opportunities for the other power 5 conferences to make the SEC look over rated and all 4 of them failed.

Right, because four teams winning in week one is a lot more important than the SEC getting completely embarrassed in the 2014 bowl season. No, really, you nailed it. Those September 6th games tell everything.

You do realize you can't base rankings off how good teams were in bowl games in the previous year right? That's irrelevant right now.

But you can decide how good Mississippi is based on a game against Tennessee-Martin?

Read your statement. Do you think Ohio State is a unanimous #1 just because? Or does last season play into this? Common sense, folks.

I didn't say anything about Miss. State. Ohio State is number 1 because they return a lot of the same guys that won a national championship.

Also, you said bowl game. A bowl game doesn't decide the rankings. Common sense would tell you they don't rank these teams by bowl game performance. That's absurd: looking at one game from the previous season to decide the current rankings

Um, again.........but you can use one game against Tennessee-Martin to decide that an SEC team is one of the best 25 teams in the country.

Good stuff.

 

[Jmhcane]

Pre-season rankings should be irrelevant, but when you place 10 teams in the top 25 you exaggerate the value of anyone who beats them -essentially another SEC team.
There may be only 6-7 in the first Championship poll, but that will be directly related to the initial overvaluation of the conference in the early polls.
"Look how many highly ranked teams they faced. Of course a 2 loss SEC team should be ranked above ANY 1 loss ACC team"

 

[pumbaa]

Pre-season rankings should be irrelevant, but when you place 10 teams in the top 25 you exaggerate the value of anyone who beats them -essentially another SEC team.
There may be only 6-7 in the first Championship poll, but that will be directly related to the initial overvaluation of the conference in the early polls.
"Look how many highly ranked teams they faced. Of course a 2 loss SEC team should be ranked above ANY 1 loss ACC team"

This is how they have manipulated the polls every year. Ohh Bama has the toughest schedule because Ole Miss, Tenn, and UGA were top 10 when they played. By the end of the year all of those teams might not be ranked anymore but they were so tough when they beat them. Its a sham and most know it at this point. Sure the SEC has some great teams but Arkansas, Tenn, and UGA should not be top 10 or 25. Tenn struggled with Bowling Green.

 

[drifters1234]

Right, because four teams winning in week one is a lot more important than the SEC getting completely embarrassed in the 2014 bowl season. No, really, you nailed it. Those September 6th games tell everything.

You do realize you can't base rankings off how good teams were in bowl games in the previous year right? That's irrelevant right now.

But you can decide how good Mississippi is based on a game against Tennessee-Martin?

Read your statement. Do you think Ohio State is a unanimous #1 just because? Or does last season play into this? Common sense, folks.

I didn't say anything about Miss. State. Ohio State is number 1 because they return a lot of the same guys that won a national championship.

Also, you said bowl game. A bowl game doesn't decide the rankings. Common sense would tell you they don't rank these teams by bowl game performance. That's absurd: looking at one game from the previous season to decide the current rankings

Um, again.........but you can use one game against Tennessee-Martin to decide that an SEC team is one of the best 25 teams in the country.

Good stuff.

No one uses one game against a cupcake to rank teams. It's based primarily on last year's performance and returning players. They also look it out how a team has done in seasons before the last, which accounts for perennial top 25 teams, even if they had an aberrant underwhelming prior season. Obviously, there will be exceptions to these factors, but they generally reflect the teams in the polls.

If you don't think the SEC has been the best conference for the last decade then you're not watching CFB. They recruit extremely well in some of the country's most fertile recruiting areas and invest tens of millions in facilities and coaching. That is a recipe for success.

Would you put the Canes in the top 25 after beating Bethune Cookman? if so, why? We have been a mediocre or worse team for over a decade, and lost a ton of talent to the NFL.

 

[QueenOfSpades]

No one uses one game against a cupcake to rank teams. It's based primarily on last year's performance and returning players. They also look it out how a team has done in seasons before the last, which accounts for perennial top 25 teams, even if they had an aberrant underwhelming prior season. Obviously, there will be exceptions to these factors, but they generally reflect the teams in the polls.

If you don't think the SEC has been the best conference for the last decade then you're not watching CFB. They recruit extremely well in some of the country's most fertile recruiting areas and invest tens of millions in facilities and coaching. That is a recipe for success.

Would you put the Canes in the top 25 after beating Bethune Cookman? if so, why? We have been a mediocre or worse team for over a decade, and lost a ton of talent to the NFL.

There is a difference between "best conference" and "entire conference is in the top 40", which is what ESPN and SEC fans want you to believe. Most of the teams in the SEC take the Mike Leach approach and build an early gaudy record against horribly overmatched teams. Then, people like you and the voters think they have done something special because they are a 3-0 SEC team. Then, like someone said earlier, Alabama gets credit for beating #15 Arkansas even though Arkansas is artificially in that spot to begin with.

I do have to ask this though......how on earth did you manage to bring Miami into the discussion?

 

[Dingaan1828]

There is no good reason to even rank anyone until about week 5 or so. I understand the argument for returning players, last year's results, blah, blah. But, polls are meant to reflect this year's results, not past performance or potential. Until there is enough evidence from on the field performance this year, there should be no poll. That doesn't hurt any team. What does hurt teams is the pre-positioning of teams before a game is even played, which has an effect on how subsequent results are viewed.

 

[QueenOfSpades]

Indiana 31 Missouri 27 @Columbia, MO

Indiana (4-8, 1-7 - tied for 13th in Big Ten)
Missouri (11-3, 7-1 - SEC East champs)

 

[wherrera8]

Right, because four teams winning in week one is a lot more important than the SEC getting completely embarrassed in the 2014 bowl season. No, really, you nailed it. Those September 6th games tell everything.

You do realize you can't base rankings off how good teams were in bowl games in the previous year right? That's irrelevant right now.

But you can decide how good Mississippi is based on a game against Tennessee-Martin?

Read your statement. Do you think Ohio State is a unanimous #1 just because? Or does last season play into this? Common sense, folks.

I didn't say anything about Miss. State. Ohio State is number 1 because they return a lot of the same guys that won a national championship.

Also, you said bowl game. A bowl game doesn't decide the rankings. Common sense would tell you they don't rank these teams by bowl game performance. That's absurd: looking at one game from the previous season to decide the current rankings

Um, again.........but you can use one game against Tennessee-Martin to decide that an SEC team is one of the best 25 teams in the country.

Good stuff.

I haven't once said that it's based on one game. It's a multitude of things including: the team's OVERALL performance a year ago RELATIVE to the amount of talent they brought back or improved on, as well as coaching and factors that contribute to the team's success. You can get hung up on the fact the played a bad team but that isn't the only factor. The bowl game result is also not a large factor as you claim it is. Think what you want.

Mississippi state by the way returns a top player in Prescott. That has a lot to do with it. That program is on the up.

 

[QueenOfSpades]

Mississippi state by the way returns a top player in Prescott. That has a lot to do with it. That program is on the up.

The next time I bring up Mississippi State will be the first time. Gotta be able to read a post if we're going to have a discussion.

 

[wherrera8]

Mississippi state by the way returns a top player in Prescott. That has a lot to do with it. That program is on the up.

The next time I bring up Mississippi State will be the first time. Gotta be able to read a post if we're going to have a discussion.

My mistake. Still doesn't take away from the main point. Regardless of what team you're talking about. Mississippi has two dudes that are projected to be top 5 picks in the draft. That talent is there. On the up.

 

[Ibis Wingz]

OP is correct. ESPN and the other networks have a pecuniary interest in who makes the playoffs. The appearance of certain teams translates to higher ratings and more advertising revenue. Hence the thinly veiled attempt at stacking the deck so they can maximize profits.

 

[Bigtip]

look no further than Missouri and TAMU as proof that:

1. the $EC is over rated as a conference
2. they are continually propped up in the polls (related to #1 )

its a self fulfilling prophecy. TAMU and Mizzu werent **** before joining the $EC. now all of a suddenly they are perennial top 15 type programs that are competing for $EC title most years

 

[gfer1988]

Sec has 10 teams in the top 25.

Thoughts?... Why?.

There sham is so obvious...their so hurt that they haven't had a chip in two years. Uga is top 10. Why?.

This preseason poll **** is a scam. Load up the sec teams with high rankings so when they lose they never fall much in the polls.

how missippie state is in there after having a competitive game with a garbage team.