Spring QB battle

[Jedi Master Cane]

An EE with the frame Williams has, and ability, can and will push for the starting job, especially when the front runner to win that job is a redshirt freshman. Perry basically just has a 7 month jump on him, and nothing more. No game time. No reps with the first team. He has spent his entire time here learning, and SOME of that he should have already had some grasp of.

Now, Richt might want Perry to start, and to redshirt Williams, but if Williams comes in and wins it, he will start. He didn't come here to wait 3-4 years.

No chance and stop hoping/expecting for it. If it happens it would be a miracle and would also mean Perry still isn't very good. Chances are Williams won't be ready and it will come down to him and Rosier. History tells you this is the most likely turn of events.

So, I should stop expecting/hoping for it, but 90% of the board was clinging to the hope Perry would start from day one? Sure thing, chief. Williams coming in early, and already physically ready, gives him a leg up on what and when Perry came in as. Dude has 8 full months to compete for the job, and his biggest obstacle is a redshirt freshman, yet I am to believe it's impossible?

My belief is that Perry came in so raw that it could very well take him more than one redshirt season to get up to par, and that will allow an EE like Williams to jump into the mix. But hey, what do I know?

That's exactly my point...you should learn from the mistake the majority of the board made LAST year.

TRUE freshman rarely start...and even more rarely do well. You're not even arguing with me at this point, you're arguing with history.

Yes, but let's compare the three areas and see if we can find some differences.

Time of enrollment.

Advantage, Williams. Enrolling early is HUGE for incoming players that want to play their freshman seasons. Especially at QB. It hurt Perry's chances a lot by not enrolling early, while it helps Williams.

Physical makeup.

Advantage, Williams. Dude is 6'3" 210ish already. Perry came in rail thin and needed a year to get physically ready. Williams does not.

Mental aspect.

While I can't say I KNOW Williams is coming in better prepared, it's hard to imagine a QB coming in less prepared by his high school coaches than Perry. By watching their film, I see Williams going through progressions and finding the right guy. I saw Perry playing street ball. Albeit, he was **** GOOD AT IT. You can see his potential, without a doubt.

Bottom line. All the reasons I believed Perry had very little chance of playing his freshman year, I don't see with Williams. Again, that's just my opinion.

LOL...dude you are reaching.

I disagree. To the highest extent possible that it is possible to disagree with another human being.

This program NEEDS Perry to be good, that we Rosier returns to being a backup and Williams redshirts and we gain some separation between him and Perry.

 

[ThomasM]

No chance and stop hoping/expecting for it. If it happens it would be a miracle and would also mean Perry still isn't very good. Chances are Williams won't be ready and it will come down to him and Rosier. History tells you this is the most likely turn of events.

So, I should stop expecting/hoping for it, but 90% of the board was clinging to the hope Perry would start from day one? Sure thing, chief. Williams coming in early, and already physically ready, gives him a leg up on what and when Perry came in as. Dude has 8 full months to compete for the job, and his biggest obstacle is a redshirt freshman, yet I am to believe it's impossible?

My belief is that Perry came in so raw that it could very well take him more than one redshirt season to get up to par, and that will allow an EE like Williams to jump into the mix. But hey, what do I know?

That's exactly my point...you should learn from the mistake the majority of the board made LAST year.

TRUE freshman rarely start...and even more rarely do well. You're not even arguing with me at this point, you're arguing with history.

Yes, but let's compare the three areas and see if we can find some differences.

Time of enrollment.

Advantage, Williams. Enrolling early is HUGE for incoming players that want to play their freshman seasons. Especially at QB. It hurt Perry's chances a lot by not enrolling early, while it helps Williams.

Physical makeup.

Advantage, Williams. Dude is 6'3" 210ish already. Perry came in rail thin and needed a year to get physically ready. Williams does not.

Mental aspect.

While I can't say I KNOW Williams is coming in better prepared, it's hard to imagine a QB coming in less prepared by his high school coaches than Perry. By watching their film, I see Williams going through progressions and finding the right guy. I saw Perry playing street ball. Albeit, he was **** GOOD AT IT. You can see his potential, without a doubt.

Bottom line. All the reasons I believed Perry had very little chance of playing his freshman year, I don't see with Williams. Again, that's just my opinion.

LOL...dude you are reaching.

I disagree. To the highest extent possible that it is possible to disagree with another human being.

This program NEEDS Perry to be good, that we Rosier returns to being a backup and Williams redshirts and we gain some separation between him and Perry.

So one year of separation is a program changer? I just don't see it that way. The program needs ANY QB to step up and be better than what we saw last year. It does not NEED to be Perry. It can be Weldon for all I care, I just want to see massive improvement. I want to see our QB make plays that every other QB we face seems to make.

I won't hang all my hopes on one guy. Whoever wins the job will be better than what we saw last year, unless they all suck and Rosier wins the job again. Then we can agree, we are in deep crap.

 

[Bk1]

Yup. Amazing 2-10 teams like UNC have 3rd string freshman QBs that so far are light years better than anything we have. If Perry aint ready in '18, he's a bust. Has to be the easiest QB slot in the country. Anyone who is half *** can waltz in and start for their career.

Maybe not. I just think he was WAY behind in terms of knowing how to watch film, progress reads, read a D, etc. Wayyyy behind. I wouldn't be shocked if it takes him more than one season to win the job. He's athletically ahead of everyone, but he has a lot of work to do to catch up on the mental aspect. When he does, look the **** out. He will be a good one.

I said it when he signed and I'll say it again. I hope everyone is patient with him and doesn't turn on him when he doesn't win the job as soon as everyone wants/expects. He has the talent, but sometimes that talent takes time to develop. With him and Williams pushing each other, great days are ahead. Just be patient.

This ain't about "winning the job when everyone wants/expects"....it's really rather simple. The only thing standing between Perry and the starting job is a QB who we all now know is completely erratic and not what Richt wants behind center.

I couldn't disagree more and I'll reiterate it one more time...if Perry doesn't beat out Rosier my money is on him never being a starter here and eventually getting passed up by Williams. I'll stand by that prediction the same way I stood by Rosier being the starter LAST off season when everyone thought I was out of my ****ing mind and was buying the Sheriff and true freshman Perry talk.

I completely understand TRUE freshman Nkosi Perry not starting...but given what we have next year I simply won't understand REDSHIRT freshman Nkosi Perry not starting. His time is right now and he'll be given every opportunity to win the job. If he doesn't it will be telling.

The one edge Rosier has on Perry is that he doesn't make a lot of stupid mistakes, because he knows where NOT to throw the ball. Not saying Perry is a turnover waiting to happen, but we honestly have no clue where he is in his development when it comes to reading a D, progressions, etc. Talent wise, we all know it's not even close. Perry is light years ahead of Rosier in that department. I just believe a guy coming in with no real training is further behind than most freshman QBs that have watched some film before coming in. So, will a redshirt season be enough? I sure hope so, for everyone's sake.

What I don't know is how well coached Williams was in high school. Watching his film he LOOKS like a guy that has been coached well, not just relying on his talent. If he was well coached for 3-4 years, and can come in already knowing how to do the things Perry didn't, he has a really good shot at stealing the job.

I'm glad Richt brought in a guy like Williams to push Perry, instead of Perry simply being better than an extremely average Rosier and Shirreffs, he will have to work hard to stay ahead of Williams. Competition is a wonderful thing.

For the purposes of THIS offseason...forget Williams. You can't ask/expect a true freshman to come in and be ready to play at this level. It's the same reason why last offseason I knew Perry was never a serious contender for the starting job and that Rosier would win it by default.

The track record for TRUE (not REDSHIRT) FRESHMEN starting isn't good . What the kid from Georgia did this year was an anomaly, an act of God, and can't be expected from Williams. Before anyone gets cute and cites the kid from Bama ask yourself why he didn't get into meaningful action until late in the season...cause he needed all that time to learn the playbook and get acclimated to the point the coaches trusted him.

No sir...this a 2 horse race or maybe a 3 horse race if Weldon shows something. The chances are it comes down to Rosier and Perry and like I said before...it would speak VOLUMES of Perry if he can't win the job. It was pretty obvious just by what happened in that Pittsburgh game with Richt yanking Rosier that any chance he gets to replace him...he will.

The time is NOW for Perry. Plain and simple. There are no excuses and the kid couldn't ask for a better situation. If Perry doesn't win the job THIS offseason then you can go ahead and pencil in Williams for the year after that.

I call BS on this....what Fromm did was no ACT of god....he wasnt the starter until Eason got hurt, he did not start the season as THE guy....he was a starter on a team with 30 plus seniors....2 all conference type running backs and a solid not great OL....couple that with a solid experienced defense...weak schedule and that is what you get....dude had everything built for him to have some success. Jarren Williams will or would have that same luxury hopefully with an improved OL. Weapons at all levels along with experience...all he has to do is not turn the ball over....ball placement, accuracy and anticipate open windows to throw in will be his biggest hurdle.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

Maybe not. I just think he was WAY behind in terms of knowing how to watch film, progress reads, read a D, etc. Wayyyy behind. I wouldn't be shocked if it takes him more than one season to win the job. He's athletically ahead of everyone, but he has a lot of work to do to catch up on the mental aspect. When he does, look the **** out. He will be a good one.

I said it when he signed and I'll say it again. I hope everyone is patient with him and doesn't turn on him when he doesn't win the job as soon as everyone wants/expects. He has the talent, but sometimes that talent takes time to develop. With him and Williams pushing each other, great days are ahead. Just be patient.

This ain't about "winning the job when everyone wants/expects"....it's really rather simple. The only thing standing between Perry and the starting job is a QB who we all now know is completely erratic and not what Richt wants behind center.

I couldn't disagree more and I'll reiterate it one more time...if Perry doesn't beat out Rosier my money is on him never being a starter here and eventually getting passed up by Williams. I'll stand by that prediction the same way I stood by Rosier being the starter LAST off season when everyone thought I was out of my ****ing mind and was buying the Sheriff and true freshman Perry talk.

I completely understand TRUE freshman Nkosi Perry not starting...but given what we have next year I simply won't understand REDSHIRT freshman Nkosi Perry not starting. His time is right now and he'll be given every opportunity to win the job. If he doesn't it will be telling.

The one edge Rosier has on Perry is that he doesn't make a lot of stupid mistakes, because he knows where NOT to throw the ball. Not saying Perry is a turnover waiting to happen, but we honestly have no clue where he is in his development when it comes to reading a D, progressions, etc. Talent wise, we all know it's not even close. Perry is light years ahead of Rosier in that department. I just believe a guy coming in with no real training is further behind than most freshman QBs that have watched some film before coming in. So, will a redshirt season be enough? I sure hope so, for everyone's sake.

What I don't know is how well coached Williams was in high school. Watching his film he LOOKS like a guy that has been coached well, not just relying on his talent. If he was well coached for 3-4 years, and can come in already knowing how to do the things Perry didn't, he has a really good shot at stealing the job.

I'm glad Richt brought in a guy like Williams to push Perry, instead of Perry simply being better than an extremely average Rosier and Shirreffs, he will have to work hard to stay ahead of Williams. Competition is a wonderful thing.

For the purposes of THIS offseason...forget Williams. You can't ask/expect a true freshman to come in and be ready to play at this level. It's the same reason why last offseason I knew Perry was never a serious contender for the starting job and that Rosier would win it by default.

The track record for TRUE (not REDSHIRT) FRESHMEN starting isn't good . What the kid from Georgia did this year was an anomaly, an act of God, and can't be expected from Williams. Before anyone gets cute and cites the kid from Bama ask yourself why he didn't get into meaningful action until late in the season...cause he needed all that time to learn the playbook and get acclimated to the point the coaches trusted him.

No sir...this a 2 horse race or maybe a 3 horse race if Weldon shows something. The chances are it comes down to Rosier and Perry and like I said before...it would speak VOLUMES of Perry if he can't win the job. It was pretty obvious just by what happened in that Pittsburgh game with Richt yanking Rosier that any chance he gets to replace him...he will.

The time is NOW for Perry. Plain and simple. There are no excuses and the kid couldn't ask for a better situation. If Perry doesn't win the job THIS offseason then you can go ahead and pencil in Williams for the year after that.

I call BS on this....what Fromm did was no ACT of god....he wasnt the starter until Eason got hurt, he did not start the season as THE guy....he was a starter on a team with 30 plus seniors....2 all conference type running backs and a solid not great OL....couple that with a solid experienced defense...weak schedule and that is what you get....dude had everything built for him to have some success. Jarren Williams will or would have that same luxury hopefully with an improved OL. Weapons at all levels along with experience...all he has to do is not turn the ball over....ball placement, accuracy and anticipate open windows to throw in will be his biggest hurdle.

History says it was an act of God. Actually there may be more recorded incidents of acts of God than there have been of true freshman starting and playing well

 

[Bk1]

This ain't about "winning the job when everyone wants/expects"....it's really rather simple. The only thing standing between Perry and the starting job is a QB who we all now know is completely erratic and not what Richt wants behind center.

I couldn't disagree more and I'll reiterate it one more time...if Perry doesn't beat out Rosier my money is on him never being a starter here and eventually getting passed up by Williams. I'll stand by that prediction the same way I stood by Rosier being the starter LAST off season when everyone thought I was out of my ****ing mind and was buying the Sheriff and true freshman Perry talk.

I completely understand TRUE freshman Nkosi Perry not starting...but given what we have next year I simply won't understand REDSHIRT freshman Nkosi Perry not starting. His time is right now and he'll be given every opportunity to win the job. If he doesn't it will be telling.

The one edge Rosier has on Perry is that he doesn't make a lot of stupid mistakes, because he knows where NOT to throw the ball. Not saying Perry is a turnover waiting to happen, but we honestly have no clue where he is in his development when it comes to reading a D, progressions, etc. Talent wise, we all know it's not even close. Perry is light years ahead of Rosier in that department. I just believe a guy coming in with no real training is further behind than most freshman QBs that have watched some film before coming in. So, will a redshirt season be enough? I sure hope so, for everyone's sake.

What I don't know is how well coached Williams was in high school. Watching his film he LOOKS like a guy that has been coached well, not just relying on his talent. If he was well coached for 3-4 years, and can come in already knowing how to do the things Perry didn't, he has a really good shot at stealing the job.

I'm glad Richt brought in a guy like Williams to push Perry, instead of Perry simply being better than an extremely average Rosier and Shirreffs, he will have to work hard to stay ahead of Williams. Competition is a wonderful thing.

For the purposes of THIS offseason...forget Williams. You can't ask/expect a true freshman to come in and be ready to play at this level. It's the same reason why last offseason I knew Perry was never a serious contender for the starting job and that Rosier would win it by default.

The track record for TRUE (not REDSHIRT) FRESHMEN starting isn't good . What the kid from Georgia did this year was an anomaly, an act of God, and can't be expected from Williams. Before anyone gets cute and cites the kid from Bama ask yourself why he didn't get into meaningful action until late in the season...cause he needed all that time to learn the playbook and get acclimated to the point the coaches trusted him.

No sir...this a 2 horse race or maybe a 3 horse race if Weldon shows something. The chances are it comes down to Rosier and Perry and like I said before...it would speak VOLUMES of Perry if he can't win the job. It was pretty obvious just by what happened in that Pittsburgh game with Richt yanking Rosier that any chance he gets to replace him...he will.

The time is NOW for Perry. Plain and simple. There are no excuses and the kid couldn't ask for a better situation. If Perry doesn't win the job THIS offseason then you can go ahead and pencil in Williams for the year after that.

I call BS on this....what Fromm did was no ACT of god....he wasnt the starter until Eason got hurt, he did not start the season as THE guy....he was a starter on a team with 30 plus seniors....2 all conference type running backs and a solid not great OL....couple that with a solid experienced defense...weak schedule and that is what you get....dude had everything built for him to have some success. Jarren Williams will or would have that same luxury hopefully with an improved OL. Weapons at all levels along with experience...all he has to do is not turn the ball over....ball placement, accuracy and anticipate open windows to throw in will be his biggest hurdle.

History says it was an act of God. Actually there may be more recorded incidents of acts of God than there have been of true freshman starting and playing well

Playing well or just being serviceable? Did he win ah game or just didnt lose them? Not an act of God....

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[ThomasM]

This ain't about "winning the job when everyone wants/expects"....it's really rather simple. The only thing standing between Perry and the starting job is a QB who we all now know is completely erratic and not what Richt wants behind center.

I couldn't disagree more and I'll reiterate it one more time...if Perry doesn't beat out Rosier my money is on him never being a starter here and eventually getting passed up by Williams. I'll stand by that prediction the same way I stood by Rosier being the starter LAST off season when everyone thought I was out of my ****ing mind and was buying the Sheriff and true freshman Perry talk.

I completely understand TRUE freshman Nkosi Perry not starting...but given what we have next year I simply won't understand REDSHIRT freshman Nkosi Perry not starting. His time is right now and he'll be given every opportunity to win the job. If he doesn't it will be telling.

The one edge Rosier has on Perry is that he doesn't make a lot of stupid mistakes, because he knows where NOT to throw the ball. Not saying Perry is a turnover waiting to happen, but we honestly have no clue where he is in his development when it comes to reading a D, progressions, etc. Talent wise, we all know it's not even close. Perry is light years ahead of Rosier in that department. I just believe a guy coming in with no real training is further behind than most freshman QBs that have watched some film before coming in. So, will a redshirt season be enough? I sure hope so, for everyone's sake.

What I don't know is how well coached Williams was in high school. Watching his film he LOOKS like a guy that has been coached well, not just relying on his talent. If he was well coached for 3-4 years, and can come in already knowing how to do the things Perry didn't, he has a really good shot at stealing the job.

I'm glad Richt brought in a guy like Williams to push Perry, instead of Perry simply being better than an extremely average Rosier and Shirreffs, he will have to work hard to stay ahead of Williams. Competition is a wonderful thing.

For the purposes of THIS offseason...forget Williams. You can't ask/expect a true freshman to come in and be ready to play at this level. It's the same reason why last offseason I knew Perry was never a serious contender for the starting job and that Rosier would win it by default.

The track record for TRUE (not REDSHIRT) FRESHMEN starting isn't good . What the kid from Georgia did this year was an anomaly, an act of God, and can't be expected from Williams. Before anyone gets cute and cites the kid from Bama ask yourself why he didn't get into meaningful action until late in the season...cause he needed all that time to learn the playbook and get acclimated to the point the coaches trusted him.

No sir...this a 2 horse race or maybe a 3 horse race if Weldon shows something. The chances are it comes down to Rosier and Perry and like I said before...it would speak VOLUMES of Perry if he can't win the job. It was pretty obvious just by what happened in that Pittsburgh game with Richt yanking Rosier that any chance he gets to replace him...he will.

The time is NOW for Perry. Plain and simple. There are no excuses and the kid couldn't ask for a better situation. If Perry doesn't win the job THIS offseason then you can go ahead and pencil in Williams for the year after that.

I call BS on this....what Fromm did was no ACT of god....he wasnt the starter until Eason got hurt, he did not start the season as THE guy....he was a starter on a team with 30 plus seniors....2 all conference type running backs and a solid not great OL....couple that with a solid experienced defense...weak schedule and that is what you get....dude had everything built for him to have some success. Jarren Williams will or would have that same luxury hopefully with an improved OL. Weapons at all levels along with experience...all he has to do is not turn the ball over....ball placement, accuracy and anticipate open windows to throw in will be his biggest hurdle.

History says it was an act of God. Actually there may be more recorded incidents of acts of God than there have been of true freshman starting and playing well

Brad Kaaya played well as a true freshman.

 

[GreatCane]

Interested to see if the spring game will be open to the public this year. It's always nice to have an excuse to tailgate in the spring. Oh and I want to see Nkosi spinning the rock

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

The one edge Rosier has on Perry is that he doesn't make a lot of stupid mistakes, because he knows where NOT to throw the ball. Not saying Perry is a turnover waiting to happen, but we honestly have no clue where he is in his development when it comes to reading a D, progressions, etc. Talent wise, we all know it's not even close. Perry is light years ahead of Rosier in that department. I just believe a guy coming in with no real training is further behind than most freshman QBs that have watched some film before coming in. So, will a redshirt season be enough? I sure hope so, for everyone's sake.

What I don't know is how well coached Williams was in high school. Watching his film he LOOKS like a guy that has been coached well, not just relying on his talent. If he was well coached for 3-4 years, and can come in already knowing how to do the things Perry didn't, he has a really good shot at stealing the job.

I'm glad Richt brought in a guy like Williams to push Perry, instead of Perry simply being better than an extremely average Rosier and Shirreffs, he will have to work hard to stay ahead of Williams. Competition is a wonderful thing.

For the purposes of THIS offseason...forget Williams. You can't ask/expect a true freshman to come in and be ready to play at this level. It's the same reason why last offseason I knew Perry was never a serious contender for the starting job and that Rosier would win it by default.

The track record for TRUE (not REDSHIRT) FRESHMEN starting isn't good . What the kid from Georgia did this year was an anomaly, an act of God, and can't be expected from Williams. Before anyone gets cute and cites the kid from Bama ask yourself why he didn't get into meaningful action until late in the season...cause he needed all that time to learn the playbook and get acclimated to the point the coaches trusted him.

No sir...this a 2 horse race or maybe a 3 horse race if Weldon shows something. The chances are it comes down to Rosier and Perry and like I said before...it would speak VOLUMES of Perry if he can't win the job. It was pretty obvious just by what happened in that Pittsburgh game with Richt yanking Rosier that any chance he gets to replace him...he will.

The time is NOW for Perry. Plain and simple. There are no excuses and the kid couldn't ask for a better situation. If Perry doesn't win the job THIS offseason then you can go ahead and pencil in Williams for the year after that.

I call BS on this....what Fromm did was no ACT of god....he wasnt the starter until Eason got hurt, he did not start the season as THE guy....he was a starter on a team with 30 plus seniors....2 all conference type running backs and a solid not great OL....couple that with a solid experienced defense...weak schedule and that is what you get....dude had everything built for him to have some success. Jarren Williams will or would have that same luxury hopefully with an improved OL. Weapons at all levels along with experience...all he has to do is not turn the ball over....ball placement, accuracy and anticipate open windows to throw in will be his biggest hurdle.

History says it was an act of God. Actually there may be more recorded incidents of acts of God than there have been of true freshman starting and playing well

Brad Kaaya played well as a true freshman.

Keep going ..even then, what was his record that year? Then when you're done with that compare that record to the relative strength of the schedule that year.

Then, when you're done with all that...I'll go ahead and give you Kaaya as a plus (even though it's somewhat of a stretch) and I want you compare the Kaaya's and Fromm's of the world to all of the other available division 1 starting QB jobs during those seasons (and every other season in NCAA history for that matter) and tell me what percentage of the total those two acts of God represent.

I'll hang up and listen.

 

[NJshoreCane]

If Perry isn't good enough to win this gig, then we might be in trouble unless Williams is a phenom. Williams looks like an excellent prospect, and all-star games aren't a great way to judge players, but he didn't jump out at me in that game. The young QB going to USC, on the other hand, did.

We need a dynamic QB to emerge. That's for sure. When's the last time we had a QB that we won because of and not in spite of?

Costa and Torretta.
To answer your question, it's been a while.

EDIT:
Those defenses giving up around 9 points per game didn't hurt their cause.

 

[Bk1]

For the purposes of THIS offseason...forget Williams. You can't ask/expect a true freshman to come in and be ready to play at this level. It's the same reason why last offseason I knew Perry was never a serious contender for the starting job and that Rosier would win it by default.

The track record for TRUE (not REDSHIRT) FRESHMEN starting isn't good . What the kid from Georgia did this year was an anomaly, an act of God, and can't be expected from Williams. Before anyone gets cute and cites the kid from Bama ask yourself why he didn't get into meaningful action until late in the season...cause he needed all that time to learn the playbook and get acclimated to the point the coaches trusted him.

No sir...this a 2 horse race or maybe a 3 horse race if Weldon shows something. The chances are it comes down to Rosier and Perry and like I said before...it would speak VOLUMES of Perry if he can't win the job. It was pretty obvious just by what happened in that Pittsburgh game with Richt yanking Rosier that any chance he gets to replace him...he will.

The time is NOW for Perry. Plain and simple. There are no excuses and the kid couldn't ask for a better situation. If Perry doesn't win the job THIS offseason then you can go ahead and pencil in Williams for the year after that.

I call BS on this....what Fromm did was no ACT of god....he wasnt the starter until Eason got hurt, he did not start the season as THE guy....he was a starter on a team with 30 plus seniors....2 all conference type running backs and a solid not great OL....couple that with a solid experienced defense...weak schedule and that is what you get....dude had everything built for him to have some success. Jarren Williams will or would have that same luxury hopefully with an improved OL. Weapons at all levels along with experience...all he has to do is not turn the ball over....ball placement, accuracy and anticipate open windows to throw in will be his biggest hurdle.

History says it was an act of God. Actually there may be more recorded incidents of acts of God than there have been of true freshman starting and playing well

Brad Kaaya played well as a true freshman.

Keep going ..even then, what was his record that year? Then when you're done with that compare that record to the relative strength of the schedule that year.

Then, when you're done with all that...I'll go ahead and give you Kaaya as a plus (even though it's somewhat of a stretch) and I want you compare the Kaaya's and Fromm's of the world to all of the other available division 1 starting QB jobs during those seasons (and every other season in NCAA history for that matter) and tell me what percentage of the total those two acts of God represent.

I'll hang up and listen.

Did i not mention the variables which let to Fromm's success?....Kayaa had none of which was posted earlier....stats dont account for experience, schedule or lack thereof, players around around you....etc....so pick it back up and actually listen....

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[ddann]

Don't sleep on Jake Heaps. Dude was a 5-star coming out of high school.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

I call BS on this....what Fromm did was no ACT of god....he wasnt the starter until Eason got hurt, he did not start the season as THE guy....he was a starter on a team with 30 plus seniors....2 all conference type running backs and a solid not great OL....couple that with a solid experienced defense...weak schedule and that is what you get....dude had everything built for him to have some success. Jarren Williams will or would have that same luxury hopefully with an improved OL. Weapons at all levels along with experience...all he has to do is not turn the ball over....ball placement, accuracy and anticipate open windows to throw in will be his biggest hurdle.

History says it was an act of God. Actually there may be more recorded incidents of acts of God than there have been of true freshman starting and playing well

Brad Kaaya played well as a true freshman.

Keep going ..even then, what was his record that year? Then when you're done with that compare that record to the relative strength of the schedule that year.

Then, when you're done with all that...I'll go ahead and give you Kaaya as a plus (even though it's somewhat of a stretch) and I want you compare the Kaaya's and Fromm's of the world to all of the other available division 1 starting QB jobs during those seasons (and every other season in NCAA history for that matter) and tell me what percentage of the total those two acts of God represent.

I'll hang up and listen.

Did i not mention the variables which let to Fromm's success?....Kayaa had none of which was posted earlier....stats dont account for experience, schedule or lack thereof, players around around you....etc....so pick it back up and actually listen....

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Oh i'm listening...but my point is simple and I'll repeat it forever. History has shown the chances for a TRUE freshman to start the majority of the season AND do well is slim to none...we all remember Fromm but the clear cut examples after that are few and far between. The best "freshman" seasons in recent memory are primary composed of the Manzels and Winstons of the world which were REDSHIRT freshman.

History doesn't lie...it's a VERY difficult position for a true freshman to be expected to come in and contribute...regardless of surrounding talent. For every Fromm and Tuo there are 257 homeboys you've never (or maybe have) heard of. Period.

 

[Pete]

Hoping Perry or Williams takes it from Rosier

Don't count Rosier out yet.The devil you know maybe better than the devil
you don't know!

 

[miamicanephins]

Hoping Perry or Williams takes it from Rosier

Don't count Rosier out yet.The devil you know maybe better than the devil
you don't know!

A thousand times NO! I was a Rosier supporter until his comments after the Pitt game.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

History doesn't lie...it's a VERY difficult position for a true freshman to be expected to come in and contribute...regardless of surrounding talent.

True freshmen can contribute, but you can't ask true freshmen QBs to win a lotta games like UGA did with Eason His true freshman season.

Eason getting hurt made UGA lean on the run game more, which was a good thing since that was the strength of their team with or without Eason.

 

[Texxcane]

Well supposedly Richt is some kind of QB guru, so now he has a cubbard full of pretty dam good quarterbacks, and has had Perry for a year. So don't yall think he can train at least one of them to distribute the ball to the right place ? I also agree with those saying its nearly impossible for a true frosh to play at this level, very rare. Kid for bama is a rarity plus he is surrounded by studs everywhere

 

[Ivan The Terrible]

If anybody behind Rosier doesn't win the job it's because Rosier won the job fair & square, and got better.

And before any of y'all b!tches say accuracy can't be improved, Charlie Ward's completion percentage jumped from 56% in 92', to 70% in 93'.

LOL...Testaverde, Walsh, Erickson, & Toretta, a list that includes 2 Heisman winners & 3 National Champions...some of y'all b!tches act like you've never seen a future great ride the pine for 2 years.

Blasphemy! Your boy will not start for the Canes next season, guaranteed!

 

[Ivan The Terrible]

So, I should stop expecting/hoping for it, but 90% of the board was clinging to the hope Perry would start from day one? Sure thing, chief. Williams coming in early, and already physically ready, gives him a leg up on what and when Perry came in as. Dude has 8 full months to compete for the job, and his biggest obstacle is a redshirt freshman, yet I am to believe it's impossible?

My belief is that Perry came in so raw that it could very well take him more than one redshirt season to get up to par, and that will allow an EE like Williams to jump into the mix. But hey, what do I know?

That's exactly my point...you should learn from the mistake the majority of the board made LAST year.

TRUE freshman rarely start...and even more rarely do well. You're not even arguing with me at this point, you're arguing with history.

Yes, but let's compare the three areas and see if we can find some differences.

Time of enrollment.

Advantage, Williams. Enrolling early is HUGE for incoming players that want to play their freshman seasons. Especially at QB. It hurt Perry's chances a lot by not enrolling early, while it helps Williams.

Physical makeup.

Advantage, Williams. Dude is 6'3" 210ish already. Perry came in rail thin and needed a year to get physically ready. Williams does not.

Mental aspect.

While I can't say I KNOW Williams is coming in better prepared, it's hard to imagine a QB coming in less prepared by his high school coaches than Perry. By watching their film, I see Williams going through progressions and finding the right guy. I saw Perry playing street ball. Albeit, he was **** GOOD AT IT. You can see his potential, without a doubt.

Bottom line. All the reasons I believed Perry had very little chance of playing his freshman year, I don't see with Williams. Again, that's just my opinion.

LOL...dude you are reaching.

I disagree. To the highest extent possible that it is possible to disagree with another human being.

This program NEEDS Perry to be good, that we Rosier returns to being a backup and Williams redshirts and we gain some separation between him and Perry.

So one year of separation is a program changer? I just don't see it that way. The program needs ANY QB to step up and be better than what we saw last year. It does not NEED to be Perry. It can be Weldon for all I care, I just want to see massive improvement. I want to see our QB make plays that every other QB we face seems to make.

I won't hang all my hopes on one guy. Whoever wins the job will be better than what we saw last year, unless they all suck and Rosier wins the job again. Then we can agree, we are in deep crap.

Well put ThomasM

 

[Ivan The Terrible]

Hoping Perry or Williams takes it from Rosier

Don't count Rosier out yet.The devil you know maybe better than the devil
you don't know!

The devil is not welcomed here!

 

[the storm]

They better have the spring game at Hard Rock & open it up to EVERYONE as a lot of people were unhappy the way it was done last year.

Do we have a spring game this year that I can watch?