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The moon is like Disney World. There's always something you missed on your last visit and the trip keeps getting more expensive.
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Off-Topic Space, the final frontier, these are the voyages of NASA
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Ben thar dunn that. What’s da point?
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Lunar base.
Helium 3 mining
Expansion of base for outward exploration
Expanded lunar habitats
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GojiraCane
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If we don't establish a presence on the moon we'll be by default forfeiting it in its entirety to other nations
Helium 3 has application for nuclear fusion and quantum computing.
Staging area for trips to Mars and elsewhere. A forward operating base that could be equipped to be used to deflect near Earth asteroids.
Habitats for Earth confined population. This may sound absurd, but a low gravity environment might make for a safer retirement center for elders.
For All Mankind is a good fictional representation of how this could take place, and the rationale for some of these steps.
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It’s a great alternate history drama on Apple. Without giving away anything, the core premise is that the space race of the 1960s never ended.
And the US had very ambitious space exploration plans in the 1970s that were curtailed.
Flight 11- still sub orbital and fake star links. No landings.
Flight 12 will be all v3. This is when they could go orbital. Maybe Starlink, maybe rocket landing again.
I can’t see them doing a v3 upper landing under pad 2 is done & they have launched and water landed v3.
Flight 12 will be all v3. This is when they could go orbital. Maybe Starlink, maybe rocket landing again.
I can’t see them doing a v3 upper landing under pad 2 is done & they have launched and water landed v3.
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Wow. They are done with the flame trench in Florida for SpaceX!? This company is insane. They really could be launching from three pads within 6-12 months and doing 36-48/yr.
Anyone know how many pads they plan to have in Florida, Texas, Cali and any other locations?
Anyone know how many pads they plan to have in Florida, Texas, Cali and any other locations?
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Could We Really Turn Mars Green?
Science fiction is edging closer to reality. A team of scientists has created a detailed roadmap for transforming Mars from a frozen, lifeless desert into a world where plants could grow and humans might one day breathe without spacesuits. The plan isn't about launching missions tomorrow, it’s...
I don’t question whether it’s plausible, I question whether we’re going to kill each other off before we ever get the chance.
Could We Really Turn Mars Green?
Science fiction is edging closer to reality. A team of scientists has created a detailed roadmap for transforming Mars from a frozen, lifeless desert into a world where plants could grow and humans might one day breathe without spacesuits. The plan isn't about launching missions tomorrow, it’s...www.universetoday.com
I don’t question whether it’s plausible, I question whether we’re going to kill each other off before we ever get the chance.
It’s not just implausible. It’s preposterous.
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really hope this happens. Should never have been removed in the first place.
From about 2hr ish mark to the 2hr 40mins its more specifically about NASA and what his ideas as leader would have been.. particularly the 2hr 17min-36min mark...
This guy should absolutely be leading NASA
From about 2hr ish mark to the 2hr 40mins its more specifically about NASA and what his ideas as leader would have been.. particularly the 2hr 17min-36min mark...
This guy should absolutely be leading NASA
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What’s going on with Musk, Duffy & NASA?
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Why would we need to engineer organisms when we could use the ones on the north and south poles of Earth? Yes, the poles get colder on Mars but we don't need to worry about using those organisms on the poles since the majority of the planet isn't at the north and south poles.Could We Really Turn Mars Green?
Science fiction is edging closer to reality. A team of scientists has created a detailed roadmap for transforming Mars from a frozen, lifeless desert into a world where plants could grow and humans might one day breathe without spacesuits. The plan isn't about launching missions tomorrow, it’s...
I don’t question whether it’s plausible, I question whether we’re going to kill each other off before we ever get the chance.
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Isaacman should never had his nomination pulled to begin with. The job should be his
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Duffy wants to lead NASA to take all the credit as it looks good on your record/resume to be the leader of NASA because you can take credit for all it's accomplishments. And Duffy clearly just wants to continue building his political resume. But he literally knows jack **** about NASA. And his idea to move NASA into the DoT is ******* retarded, and was his hopeful hail mary attempt to make it so that the person that would accept the job would be someone loyal to him that he can take all the credit for but not actually do any of the work for. literally the entire past decade has shown us precisely why NASA ISN'T in the Tranportation business any longer!!! NASA is all about science, doing long-term R&D that isn't profitable for private companies (this can be the "transportation" aspect they work on - nuclear engines), and having moonshot exploration missions.
The transportation aspect was pivotal back when there was no one capable of building a rocket. Today we have SpaceX who literally delivers 90% of all earths payload to orbit with Falcon. And obviously is trying to kill its own workhorse with Starship development, which I'd expect with V3 beginning to launch next year to start delivering real payloads to orbit (starlink) and likely launch more then even the next closest SpaceX competitor. Blue Origin who is on the brink of reusable rockets and delivered a dummy payload to orbit on the first test mission, RocketLab who has proven themselves extremely capable at small-lift and is developing Neutron as medium-lift (Falcon 9 competitor) which should be making its maiden flight in a few months. So SpaceX will have the most launches in the world with Falcon in 2026 >125, then China will be 2nd >70, then Starship will be 3rd in 2026 > 20, then it'll be close but probably go RocketLab >15, Blue Origin ~15, then Russia ~12.... Meanwhile it is costing NASA like $2B+ per year for SLS which at best would have a launch cadence of once ever 2 years.... Yeah what a ******* transportation company they are! ******* dumb. (Oh btw, SpaceX's entire HLS (moon lander) contract from NASA is worth <$3B). That's how much NASA is spending per ******* launch on SLS. Utter insanity. I fully 100% agree with Musk that the most likely outcome at the end of the day is for SpaceX to perform 100% of the Moon landing mission (and 100% of the mars landing missions), because SLS is such a waster. It just seems obvious. Blue Origin will perform 100% of their own moon landing mission around 2033 I'd bet.
And lately there had been a lot of momentum for Isaacman to get the NASA nomination back after he was backstabbed by Sergio Gor (who I believe was given a different job as an ambassador somewhere, so he's outside the white house now). So what Duffy has been doing is basically trying to throw SpaceX under the bus and make SpaceX seem like the problem, which would also taint chances of Isaacmans nomination if successful due to the relationship. Duffy is literally just trying to make the case to Trump that SpaceX has failed on delivering the timeline to get to the moon before you are out of office, and that he has the plan to get it done.... What is that plan you may be asking? Oh only the ******* dumbest possible idea in the universe! Giving a Cost+ contract to Lockheed Martin is one option. Which would of course be the biggest ******* joke of all time. Or B) Award Blue Origina another HLS contract (they currently already have a lander contract for early 2030s) to change their non-human lander into a human lander as basically a min-viable option that can just do the bare minimum to get humans on the moon asap. This isn't the WORST idea, but it's also pretty pointless imo, and is unlikely to succeed at beating SpaceX. Blue Origin has literally launched one payload to orbit ever and was founded at the same time as SpaceX (actually earlier). And you trust them to operate faster than SpaceX?... Oh and btw the ACTUAL time limiting factor for Artemis III funnily enough isn't even the lander even though it is delayed, its the ******* space suits currently lmao.
However all that doesn't JUST have the effect of trying to win over Trump, what Duffy is also doing is he's basically throwing SpaceX under the bus and telling all the other Aerospace companies "Support me to lead NASA, and I'll stand up to SpaceX for you and award you guys rich cost+ contracts" .... Like literally thats whats happening. And we all know Lockheel/Boeing/ULA/BlueOrigin spend a lot on lobbying congress.... **** one of the reaasons Starship HLS is delayed actually has to do with Blue Origin lobbying/lawsuits. Blue Origin sued over the HLS award to SpaceX and that delayed HLS development 7 months where NASA wasn't allowed to discuss or pay for anything regarding HLS development with SpaceX! So you sue to get something that was already awarded late as **** to be delayed then ***** **** is delayed.....
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