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Hstokes1447

Hstokes1447

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Watching the Moten signing video he said "Miami runs the same style of defense that we run at St. Thomas" . This made me think, that maybe there is something going on with a few schools in shout Florida that we are not aware of. When you look at Alabama after Saban took over, a lot of the high schools in Alabama adopted Saban's defensive scheme. This basically created a farm league for the tide all across the state of Alabama. With the high schools on the same page, it allows a shorter learning curve for the players, making them ready to play faster than your average kid out of high school.

We complain about a scheme that is being played by kids who have not been in it long enough to truly understand and execute it. This could be the plan and the reason Al has so many high school coaches at his camps every year. I believe that as The U continue to have success, more high school coaches will get on board. If this could happen at The West, Central, Booker T, & Miramar we could see a huge paradigm shift in the mental level of the defensive recruits from south Florida.

Also FSU is now running a version of this odd front 4-3/3-4 defense as well, so I fully expect high schools in northern Florida to start runing this defense also.
 
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Lol...don't let that one quote from Moten fool you...The elite teams in SFL ain't running that defense. STA is good, but you won't see any team with the talent of Central running it...
 
datcaneguy said:
Lol...don't let that one quote from Moten fool you...The elite teams in SFL ain't running that defense. STA is good, but you won't see any team with the talent of Central running it...
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If STA isn't an elite team in SFL I don't know who is.

That said STA is one of the few that run a 3-4 down here
 
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STA doesnt have guys running all over the fiedl wide open against them. He means 3-4. I wouldnt take it for more than that


Also most HS teams run a 4-4
 
I like the OPs thought but unfortunately not many teams run our style of defense down here. The only thing we can pray for is that the Defense we run actually starts WORKING and kids will want to play in it. Kinda like ALA. I think with the new infusion of talent there is no choice but for things to start looking up. It would take a village idiot to F up the kind of defensive talent we got coming in. Just develop them and we should be okay.
 
Hstokes1447 said:
Watching the Moten signing video he said "Miami runs the same style of defense that we run at St. Thomas" . This made me think, that maybe there is something going on with a few schools in shout Florida that we are not aware of. When you look at Alabama after Saban took over, a lot of the high schools in Alabama adopted Saban's defensive scheme. This basically created a farm league for the tide all across the state of Alabama. With the high schools on the same page, it allows a shorter learning curve for the players, making them ready to play faster than your average kid out of high school.

We complain about a scheme that is being played by kids who have not been in it long enough to truly understand and execute it. This could be the plan and the reason Al has so many high school coaches at his camps every year. I believe that as The U continue to have success, more high school coaches will get on board. If this could happen at The West, Central, Booker T, & Miramar we could see a huge paradigm shift in the mental level of the defensive recruits from south Florida.

Also FSU is now running a version of this odd front 4-3/3-4 defense as well, so I fully expect high schools in northern Florida to start runing this defense also.
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it has nothing to do with being a farm system and more and more to do with the fact that more and more teams in sfl are turning into spread passing teams and qb play in SFL is better than it's ever been (thanks 7 on 7). 3-4 is better suited to stop pass happy offenses. It's why Fisher switched to it (their biggest threats in the ACC Clemson was a spread passing team) and why Golden wants it to be his long term defense. Maybe he should have done it the way Fisher did and take a 4-3 master mind for 3 season to buy the time needed to stock pile the talent before making the switch, but the end game was going to be 3-4 with the way offenses and QB play have improved not only in the league but in CFB.

Iirc USchool and Heritage also run a 3-4 along with a few other schools. If anything you can see the schools that are "supposed to have better coaching staffs" are being forward thinkers in understanding the switch in the way offense is being played in SFL and are adjusting to defend it better in the future. Here's a basic breakdown of the different base defense strenght and weaknesses. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-and-weaknesses-of-every-nfl-defensive-scheme
 
I went to high school at Central, so I totally understand the culture of south Florida football. One things that will always be true is, the inner city of Miami will always be all about The U. With that being said I also that the coaches there are bandwagon guys and will gravitate to who ever is "showing them love". Al just has to keep winning and taking in these coaches with open arms, and the change will happen. The West, St Thomas, and Central all have "pro Miami" coaches in place. It will be a slow process but the change can happen.
 
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STA also tends to have somewhat smarter kids/better students. Some of the inner city SoFla programs dont have the resources STA has, so they run systems which maximizes the raw talent their players have. Its not that either system is inherently good or bad, its just in how you teach it, implement it, and if you have the personnel to execute it properly
 
Lol just because you run a 3-4 base doesn't mean you run the same scheme... Food for thought
 
Jesus man. Smh. LOL

Just cause there's 3 hands in the ground doesn't make it the same defense. STA has been running the 3-4 before Golden got here. The way they run it is different. It's a 1-gap variant with the DL slanting.

Don't get it twisted. Even if some local high school teams adopt the 3-4 it doesn't mean it's gonna benefit us. Not at all 3-4's are the same.

The main reason more high school teams don't run it is because PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. The 4-3 is easy to understand and easy to coach. The 3-4 has too many different variables.

These slapdick coaches down here will NEVER do what it takes to thoroughly learn the 3-4 and all it's variables. That would require lots of study and many coaching clinics. They'd rather line up in a 4-3 or 4-4 and out-athlete people. It's much simpler that way.
 
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caneaddict said:
WildcatDefense said:
He's a kid. He don't know any better.
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C'mon man this kids been to the opening and other camps and is a good student at a aquinals, he'll run circles around u in a defensive film room
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as far as Moten's responsibilities its pretty much the same..he'll slide into the same position OLsen Pierre currently occupies as a strongside de.

sta been running that d for awhile....they really dont have to i think they started it a few years back when they had a long flux of talent at LB..and not much dl....thenthey kind of stuck with it...considering they have a 4-5 star dlineman on that d the last 5-6 yearss its been working out..they have the younger Bosa there now who will be another 4-5 star guy has been starting the last two yrs.
 
He means 3-4... Which is good he understands or at least has a great idea how he will be used and understands the benefits

But no I doubt HS coaches our trying to emulate Doritos weekly torched D
 
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