Some perspective on this Butch situation and CIS

[chicanego]

Many of Folden's strengths are similar to Butch's strengths. Butch is better than Folden because Butch is a much better evaluator/developer than Folden. However, when it comes to maximizing talent on the field with results (read: wins not putting players in the NFL) they are pretty equal.

My biggest concern regarding Davis. Coker, Shannon, and Folden all possessed the same inability to maximize talent. You look around NFL rosters and have to question how we've been so pedestrian.

If he's going to succeed here, Butch is going to need innovative coordinators. Not saying he can't necessarily identify them, but it's a risk in that they'll be a necessity if he's going to lead Miami back to glory. And I'm not necessarily sold on Dorsey if he's bringing him in.

This is the most significant reason I have Herman over Butch by a country mile. Like all coaches at smaller programs, he too presents risk, but he brings the innovation UM needs so desperately right now. Conduct the most thorough search, go for the home run hires, be aggressive with Herman. If that fails and Butch is brought on, I'll be satisfied. But UM can't be lazy.

 

[sitzee]

Butch Davis' recruiting mojo and other notes from the 1st RD - CBSSports.com

Are you kidding? How can you say that their strengths are similar? Golden has to be one of the worst X's & O's coaches I've ever seen. How many times have we gone into halftime leading only to get Blown out the 2nd half? No lead is safe with Golden. How many come from behind wins did he have at The U? As for developing talent, last year we had 7 Players selected in last years draft, how much influence did Golden and his staff have on these players? I think it was more how they performed at the various Bowl Games the kids played in, the NFL Combine, and the Pro Day on campus.
As for Butch he wins the Big Games, he's had how many 1st round picks selected from his teams? I believe I just 31 1st round picks!!! It's not like he's coached at Alabama and he's gotten all the 4 & 5 star recruits.
Golden I will say was the right guy to get us out of the whole Nevin Shapiro mess, and when he got here, Golden said all the right things but never backed them up and somewhere along the way he lost that enthusiasm.
You can't put these 2 guys on the same level of Coaching because Butch would eat Golden's Lunch all day long

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Please note that this isn't a "rebuild". This isn't 1-11 Stanford. This isn't a decimated roster. This isn't a program under NCAA investigation. This isn't a program with scholarship restrictions.

This is a team with a roster full of future NFL players that has been undercoached on gamedays and is stuck in a conservative, slow, scared team philosophy that doesn't maximize what they can do on the field.

This program doesn't need a guy to rebuild it and to fix a broken roster. It needs a great football coach who takes top talent and maximizes it on the field. Does Butch's past show that he maximizes talent with results on the field? Does his offense get the best out of the type of crazy speed we have down here? John Shoop?

Many of Folden's strengths are similar to Butch's strengths. Butch is better than Folden because Butch is a much better evaluator/developer than Folden. However, when it comes to maximizing talent on the field with results (read: wins not putting players in the NFL) they are pretty equal.

UM doesn't need a "rebuilder" which is really Butch's strength. UM needs a great HC who maximizes talent not minimizes it.

I think you would have to be pretty good at maximizing talent to have 30+ 1st round picks. Nice try though.

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Perhaps the most amazing thing that I heard Thursday night came from NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock, who relayed something that Butch Davis told him. On the heels of Jonathan Cooper going No. 9 overall, Mayock pointed out that the Tar Heel guard was the 33rd first-rounder that Davis had recruited during his 10 years as a college head coach (at Miami and UNC). That number would swell to 34

 

[Cribby]

For ****'s sake.

Has this really devolved into a "people who think Butch walks on water" vs "people who think he doesn't walk on water?"

If there's anything to learn from this, it's that Miami's core fanbase just gravitates toward extreme sides on virtually anything.

I don't think it is extreme, at all, to believe that a 64 year old who hasn't coached in a few years should be the fall back option.

I think claiming that Butch Davis is the only coach who can ever win at Miami, is not only extreme, but psychotic.

Who the **** is claiming that. This thread isn't even about hiring Butch. It's about giving the man his due respect. If you guys are going to fall all over yourselves to get on Urban and Saban's sack, show the man who had many of us proud to be canes the respect he deserves. You guys spend your entire time trying to trash a cane who actually brought us success.

Majority of the posters act like if Butch isn't hired they'll burn their bras.

Me personally , I'd be ok with him but after calling a handful of guys to check interest.

It's not like teams are beating down Butchs door, he'll be there and for the cheap. That's just being real.

Nothing I said is bad but will likely rustle some if the cult members.

I'm not the biggest Butch guy, I know he had plenty of flaws to go with the other obvious issues. But by no means a hater. I just won't perform oral on him

Those guys are much more in the minority than people keep claiming. Even the ones who say Butch or Bust know other's can win here, but Butch is the safest pick right now in there eyes moreso than actually believing noone can else can do it here.

What board you reading Ponch?

It's kinda like racism, nobody sees it unless they're the minority. Mofos go crazy if you even hint negativity towards lord Butch. I keep waiting for Archer to have flashbacks to the mountains in Afghanistan , and cut a mofos head off.

 

[Thommy30w]

I think they are the most vocal posters. I am not so sure they are the majority of people on this board.

 

[Cribby]

I think they are the most vocal posters. I am not so sure they are the majority of people on this board.

Tbh, there's probably more but they don't want to speak. They know they'll get attacked, get called " clown " and " idiot".

 

[canesrdynamite]

Butch Davis' recruiting mojo and other notes from the 1st RD - CBSSports.com

Are you kidding? How can you say that their strengths are similar? Golden has to be one of the worst X's & O's coaches I've ever seen. How many times have we gone into halftime leading only to get Blown out the 2nd half? No lead is safe with Golden. How many come from behind wins did he have at The U? As for developing talent, last year we had 7 Players selected in last years draft, how much influence did Golden and his staff have on these players? I think it was more how they performed at the various Bowl Games the kids played in, the NFL Combine, and the Pro Day on campus.
As for Butch he wins the Big Games, he's had how many 1st round picks selected from his teams? I believe I just 31 1st round picks!!! It's not like he's coached at Alabama and he's gotten all the 4 & 5 star recruits.
Golden I will say was the right guy to get us out of the whole Nevin Shapiro mess, and when he got here, Golden said all the right things but never backed them up and somewhere along the way he lost that enthusiasm.
You can't put these 2 guys on the same level of Coaching because Butch would eat Golden's Lunch all day long

QUOTE=duke4heisman;2368526]

Please note that this isn't a "rebuild". This isn't 1-11 Stanford. This isn't a decimated roster. This isn't a program under NCAA investigation. This isn't a program with scholarship restrictions.

This is a team with a roster full of future NFL players that has been undercoached on gamedays and is stuck in a conservative, slow, scared team philosophy that doesn't maximize what they can do on the field.

This program doesn't need a guy to rebuild it and to fix a broken roster. It needs a great football coach who takes top talent and maximizes it on the field. Does Butch's past show that he maximizes talent with results on the field? Does his offense get the best out of the type of crazy speed we have down here? John Shoop?

Many of Folden's strengths are similar to Butch's strengths. Butch is better than Folden because Butch is a much better evaluator/developer than Folden. However, when it comes to maximizing talent on the field with results (read: wins not putting players in the NFL) they are pretty equal.

UM doesn't need a "rebuilder" which is really Butch's strength. UM needs a great HC who maximizes talent not minimizes it.

I think you would have to be pretty good at maximizing talent to have 30+ 1st round picks. Nice try though.

Perhaps the most amazing thing that I heard Thursday night came from NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock, who relayed something that Butch Davis told him. On the heels of Jonathan Cooper going No. 9 overall, Mayock pointed out that the Tar Heel guard was the 33rd first-rounder that Davis had recruited during his 10 years as a college head coach (at Miami and UNC). That number would swell to 34[/QUOTE]

Butch has been unreal at finding/developing talent. Just ridiculous! More than Alabama + OSU* by himself.

 

[Thommy30w]

I think they are the most vocal posters. I am not so sure they are the majority of people on this board.

Tbh, there's probably more but they don't want to speak. They know they'll get attacked, get called " clown " and " idiot".

Good point. I am sure we will hire someone who will **** off a number of our fans.

 

[Roe 15th]

W

Claims to sympathize with those sick of the proliferation of Butch cult threads extolling his virtues, claiming he's better than Saban and ignoring his many flaws. Then posts a diatribe rehashing the same stuff the cult has attempted to indoctrinate us with daily and restates the multifold excuses as to why their leader lost so many football games with rosters stacked with NFL players.

Listen, friend. Most rational people understand that Butch has some great strengths. We have acknowledged those repeatedly. However, we have paid close attention to every year of his career and still don't think he walks on water. You're not going to convince anyone who has studied him as closely as some of us have that he doesn't have some major major flaws in his game. So just give it up, friend.

Every coach has major flaws in their game....that's why they must hire great assistant coaches to help sore up the flaws....

 

[poncho0091]

I don't think it is extreme, at all, to believe that a 64 year old who hasn't coached in a few years should be the fall back option.

I think claiming that Butch Davis is the only coach who can ever win at Miami, is not only extreme, but psychotic.

Who the **** is claiming that. This thread isn't even about hiring Butch. It's about giving the man his due respect. If you guys are going to fall all over yourselves to get on Urban and Saban's sack, show the man who had many of us proud to be canes the respect he deserves. You guys spend your entire time trying to trash a cane who actually brought us success.

Majority of the posters act like if Butch isn't hired they'll burn their bras.

Me personally , I'd be ok with him but after calling a handful of guys to check interest.

It's not like teams are beating down Butchs door, he'll be there and for the cheap. That's just being real.

Nothing I said is bad but will likely rustle some if the cult members.

I'm not the biggest Butch guy, I know he had plenty of flaws to go with the other obvious issues. But by no means a hater. I just won't perform oral on him

Those guys are much more in the minority than people keep claiming. Even the ones who say Butch or Bust know other's can win here, but Butch is the safest pick right now in there eyes moreso than actually believing noone can else can do it here.

What board you reading Ponch?

It's kinda like racism, nobody sees it unless they're the minority. Mofos go crazy if you even hint negativity towards lord Butch. I keep waiting for Archer to have flashbacks to the mountains in Afghanistan , and cut a mofos head off.

I disagree Cribby, because that game goes both ways. I've seen the minority (a minority in which I've been a part of) make something out of nothing and because they were more vocal everyone believes it's a widespread incident. If there are than 10 people here who are regularly saying Butch is the only option, I'd be surprised. What you're really seeing is the same guys repeating the same thing repeatedly in every thread. Notice the statement is about the "only" option. While there is a majority who favor Butch as their top choice, most would be ok if the next hire is a reasonable choice.

 

[UMFarArcher]

I don't think it is extreme, at all, to believe that a 64 year old who hasn't coached in a few years should be the fall back option.

I think claiming that Butch Davis is the only coach who can ever win at Miami, is not only extreme, but psychotic.

Who the **** is claiming that. This thread isn't even about hiring Butch. It's about giving the man his due respect. If you guys are going to fall all over yourselves to get on Urban and Saban's sack, show the man who had many of us proud to be canes the respect he deserves. You guys spend your entire time trying to trash a cane who actually brought us success.

Majority of the posters act like if Butch isn't hired they'll burn their bras.

Me personally , I'd be ok with him but after calling a handful of guys to check interest.

It's not like teams are beating down Butchs door, he'll be there and for the cheap. That's just being real.

Nothing I said is bad but will likely rustle some if the cult members.

I'm not the biggest Butch guy, I know he had plenty of flaws to go with the other obvious issues. But by no means a hater. I just won't perform oral on him

Those guys are much more in the minority than people keep claiming. Even the ones who say Butch or Bust know other's can win here, but Butch is the safest pick right now in there eyes moreso than actually believing noone can else can do it here.

What board you reading Ponch?

It's kinda like racism, nobody sees it unless they're the minority. Mofos go crazy if you even hint negativity towards lord Butch. I keep waiting for Archer to have flashbacks to the mountains in Afghanistan , and cut a mofos head off.

Now, Cribby.

I haven't done recently. I just developed some bad habits. I'm working on it.