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So you want a Defensive Coach, eh?

Dwinstitles said:
DMoney said:
Who wouldn't take Patterson or D'Antonio?

Most people assume they are longshots. And while I believe this is the best job in the country to win national championships, they probably are longshots. Butch gets talked about more because he's more realistic.
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And im sorry but those two cant recruit likw butch over in sfla
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I'd say he'd do just fine and recruiting hasn't been our problem for the hundredth time. Compare our recruiting records to those we've lost to. Far more than not, we had the edge on signing day.

Butch, this supposed great S.FL recruiter couldn't even land one Dade kid his entire tenure at UNC. He only landed 2 from Broward and one from Palm Beach. That doesn't scream elite recruiter these days.

Before someone says it's UNC though, do tell how Strong did it at UofL. If you've been to both schools, UNC is the more attractive school and campus. Add in UNC'e perks, how could da gawd strike out like that????

Edit: I got a bit off track. How is Patterson doing what he does? Ever take a look at what his recruiting rankings are? He's clearly a case of doing more with less. A real X's and O's coach. Butch is just a Corch. How many NFL NFL draft picks did he have at UNC? Talk about doing less with more, like Golden last year in particular.
 
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The Sonny Lubick and Greg McMackin defenses at UM **** on anything JJ or Butch ever did at UM defensively. Those defenses were impregnable and savage in their tenacity.
 
BBB. He understands s florida . Maybe d antonia and patterson struggle with that. Butch is the safest hire. Just make sure he secures a good oc
 
That was an amazing day in Dallas and it was **** cold. Never sat around a mouthier group of fans than Texas on that day and they were quite humble by day's end.
 
GoldenShowers said:
Mark Dantonio and Gary Patterson run clones of our defense from 1991. While GP does it out of the 4-2-5 and uses man coverage for blitzes, Dantonio's system is, aside from a blitz package, an identical clone. Narduzzi, who brought this defense to MSU, openly speaks about how he learned it at a Tommy Tuberville clinic in the early 90s.

For those of you who just finished puberty, the 1991 Miami defense was by every statistical measure, the greatest in our history. The precursor to that season of course was the Jan of '91 Cotton Bowl. If you don't know about that game, or more importantly, if you haven't watched that game, do so right now below.

So why 1991? Well that defense was not run by a JJ tree cat. It wasn't the Stache, or Tubbs (he was still an assistant), or Butch. It was Sonny Lubick. Sonny took JJs playbook and somehow made it even more aggressive. He took JJs base defense and added tweaks. The type of coverage you see at MSU, pressed quarters, was a Lubick added concept. Forcing with the Safeties even in Cover 2 was a Lubick concept.

And it absolutely trashed any defense Butch Davis, Bill Miller, and Greg Schiano ever ran. Butch ran more under front and 3 deep zone than those early 90s teams. Miller was a corch. Schiano's defense that was quite good was essentially the Penn State zone blitz of Jerry Sandusky.

So I have tremendous respect and admiration for you if you want a coach who runs "a Miami defense". But if that's the case, you should be screaming for Dantonio, then Patterson, before Butch.

[video=youtube;mVe6DQgxTG8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVe6DQgxTG8[/video]
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I'm in complete agreement regarding the '91 defense. I think the blueprint for the Lubick and Johnson defenses intersect at Florida State '88. That game Johnson decided to break the norm of using his typical methodical approach of rushing just four from the traditional over front and playing coverage out of the familiar two deep shell. In '88, Johnson turned the dogs loose using both over and under fronts. Miami smashed that *** 31-0. Cover-4/0 was played predominately that game. Ole Bobby Bowden was absolutely shell-shocked afterwards. I still remember him saying that Johnson never blitzed until that game. When Lubick landed in CG, he never took his foot off the gas pedal, and I think game film of the '88 fsu game had a lot to do with that.
 
Love how the entire announcing crew was anti-Miami during the whole game.

Erickson told them to drop dead, we don't care, we will win this game anyways.
 
DMoney said:
GoldenShowers said:
DMoney said:
Who wouldn't take Patterson or D'Antonio?

Most people assume they are longshots. And while I believe this is the best job in the country to win national championships, they probably are longshots. Butch gets talked about more because he's more realistic.
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Bc there are people who legitimately prefer Butch Davis to those cats. Who are so obsessed with Davis that they refuse to acknowledge any other coach.

My opinion is this: if you aren't gonna to get a homerun, why bother? Anything less than a quick turnaround is going to become incredibly toxic here. Our players deserve better. The Miami fanbase deserves better.
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We should definitely try for the home run. It costs us nothing to ask.

But Miami has never actually had a home-run hire. You can still win with the right guy.
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Very true... Miami hired a guy from Oklahoma. Who would have thought that would have worked with S. Fla kids... Followed that with a guy from the state of Washington. Pick the right guy and the results will follow. I think the biggest issue with most of this fan base is a lack of trust with the admin and AD.
 
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DMoney said:
Who wouldn't take Patterson or D'Antonio?

Most people assume they are longshots. And while I believe this is the best job in the country to win national championships, they probably are longshots. Butch gets talked about more because he's more realistic.
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BOOM DMONEY! Man what are these guys on? Patterson???? D'Antonio????? My god! Talk about extremely LONG shots. Man I swear you guys must be into **********. You guys just love to be tortured.
 
Dwinstitles said:
DMoney said:
Who wouldn't take Patterson or D'Antonio?

Most people assume they are longshots. And while I believe this is the best job in the country to win national championships, they probably are longshots. Butch gets talked about more because he's more realistic.
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And im sorry but those two cant recruit likw butch over in sfla
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If they can coach to W's they can recruit into Miami. Shannon and Golden were better recruiters than they were coaches, and how did that work out????
 
If Gary Patterson is running that defense he must be doing it with a lot less talent based on his game scores over the past few years. So as great as it is to believe in a certain system, you also need to recruit for it and execute it. I know they play some high powered offenses in the BIG12 and scoring overall is up everywhere..so maybe that's the issue.

Patterson is way too cozy and happy where he is...he ain't got time or desire to walk into a hornet's nest like ours...
 
I forgot UT was number 3 going into that game. No wonder everyone hates us. To demolish top 5 teams the way we used to do was terrifying to the rest of football. The only thing that matter back then was if we were ready to play you lost; if we were not paying attention and you had a really great team, you might win: BUT if we were mad or you had the misfortune of being ranked hirer than us, we destroyed you program for the next decade or two.
 
GoldenShowers said:
Gatorhater said:
GoldenShowers said:
DMoney said:
Who wouldn't take Patterson or D'Antonio?

Most people assume they are longshots. And while I believe this is the best job in the country to win national championships, they probably are longshots. Butch gets talked about more because he's more realistic.
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Bc there are people who legitimately prefer Butch Davis to those cats. Who are so obsessed with Davis that they refuse to acknowledge any other coach.

My opinion is this: if you aren't gonna to get a homerun, why bother? Anything less than a quick turnaround is going to become incredibly toxic here. Our players deserve better. The Miami fanbase deserves better.
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I am one who thinks we need Butch to rebuild THE U for a ton of reasons other than coaching. This team is too full of golden bs for a quick turnaround. That said, D'Antonio is one I would take without complaint. I am tired of hearing Patterson's name. If he was leaving TCU it needed to be done. But Mark would be interesting and possible alternative to Butch. We still do not know if he can handle Miami and recruit anywhere like Butch. If he can, then he is the man that can take our talent and put an end to all the NEW offenses.

I was at the Cotton Bowl, that was NFL level defense. Imagine Sonny coaching the talent Butch left Larry. You might not know it but you made the case for Butch many of us believe. His recruiting as HC was so great coaching almost didn't matter. 1991 team still needed some. That is the safety net of Butch. But there are no flies on Mark.
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So your argument is that great coaching is the difference between the best defense in our history and a lesser defense? I think you are making my point.

And by the way.......

If ANYONE EVER tells you we should take Texas' trash again, show them this video, and remind them unkindly that we OWN Texas.
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You Obamaed my point. Actually I meant great coaching and Butch Davis recruits make great defense but also crapping coaching and team loaded completely with Butch Daivs recruits makes great defense anyway. Put the great coach with all Butch recruits and then we are talking something out of this world. Anyway, I would not cry if we got D'Antonio although it is still unknown that he can deal with all that Miami brings. He at least is worth that gamble. The other guys not so much. Butch remains my top pick because every stud he get us, he denies FSU, Bama, UF, and OSU. Are we sure Mark will be comfortable with high talent players? Or wil he prefer the overachievers he is use to making work? He is 100000 times the coach Al was but you see what I am worried about.
 
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