So You Wanna Savage DC? Part II: Dave Aranda

[FullyERicht]

Sorry you cant convince me on a 3-4 no matter whatI am forever scarred and scorned

And this is why we can't have nice things.......

Miami used to innovate. Now we have Nebraska-itis: clinging to the old days and refusing to re-invent.

 

[blackvern]

Sorry you cant convince me on a 3-4 no matter whatI am forever scarred and scorned

And this is why we can't have nice things.......

Miami used to innovate. Now we have Nebraska-itis: clinging to the old days and refusing to re-invent.

No need to reinvent some of the best defenses in college still run 4-3.... If it ain't broke

 

[canesrdynamite]

I'd take Aranda in a heart beat. Aranda is aggressive. Total opposite philosophy in every way from what we had with the Grohlden d.


Don't sit back and watch, make things happen! Aggression and speed, regardless of where the guys line up pre-snap. Anybody who can do that I'm on board with.

 

[KCcane]

Sorry you cant convince me on a 3-4 no matter whatI am forever scarred and scorned

And this is why we can't have nice things.......

Miami used to innovate. Now we have Nebraska-itis: clinging to the old days and refusing to re-invent.

No need to reinvent some of the best defenses in college still run 4-3.... If it ain't broke

There is no difference between an aggressive 3-4 and 4-3 other than one end stands up. You can play cover 2 behind it or whatever the **** you want. The idea is to be aggressive.

 

[SFbayCane]

While not my first choice, I have no doubt that the combination of Dave Aranda and two classes filled with south Florida defensive players would produce extremely solid results on the defensive side of the ball.

I too am one who prefers a core defense that features 4 down linemen but the reality is that an elite level coach coupled with the elite level local athletes that UM can attract will produce elite level results without regard to specific scheme.

 

[dadecounty25]

I don't like it just because of the fact that I want my DL to be lean and fast.

 

[FullyERicht]

I don't like it just because of the fact that I want my DL to be lean and fast.

What part of the post implied they wouldn't be? Or did you just see 3-4 and assume 2 gap fatties?

Aranda's defensive front at Wisconsin is actually more lean than the fronts we ran here in the early 2000s.

 

[Harpdog]

https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/wanna-savage-dc-don-brown/95022
(For an explanation of the series and Part I on BC's Don Brown, click above.)

Aranda is in his 3rd season at Wisky. Prior to that he was the DC at Utah State. Wisconsin ranks 3rd in total defense, and 1st in scoring defense. Wisconsin's offense doesn't do it's defense many favors, as they rank 83rd and 79th in total and scoring offense respectively, but unlike BC they do possess the ball quite a bit.

Aranda has had a top 10 defense each year in Wisconsin. Even more impressive is that he fielded the 14th total defense and 7th scoring defense in the nation at Utah State.

I can hear the comments from the peanut gallery: "He runs a 3-4!!"

Yes he does. But the defense he runs has significantly more philosophically in common with the Miami 4-3 than it does the Al Groh 3-4. Allow me to explain:

The Golden 3-4 defense is rooted in a principal of 2-gap football. I'm not going to go into 2-gap football too much, but for a history on it and how it differs from single gap systems, read this. The main thing to know is that in order to 2-gap , your front must have size, strength and power. You simply can't play it with 230 pound Inside Backers and 220 pound outside backers.

Because of the need for size, your three DL are weaker pass rushers, and don't stunt very well. Your OLBs are essential standup DEs. The weakside DE will rush about 75% of the time, and play coverage the rest of the time. As a result, it essentially is a three DT, one DE defense, with 3 large, slower LBs, and sometimes the DE plays a zone. I'm not Parcells, but to me, it's an unbelievably stupid way to defend.

Most proponents of 3-4 defenses cite "confusion, unpredictability" as reasons for it's superiority. But the classic 3-4 defenses are tremendously predictable: you either have the standup DE rushing most of the time, or that kid is playing a flat zone, which is a horrendous mismatch in modern football.

Now Aranda's 3-4. It's a single gap. His defensive linemen are all below 300 lbs, and they slant and stunt all game. One DE is 298, the other is 268, and the nose is 278. Their OLBs are 240 lbs and 220 lbs. Their ILB are both in the 230s. It is like taking the exact personnel of the old JJ defense, and replacing one of the DEs with an even faster guy who plays weakside LB.

The emphasis is on speed, stunting, and pressure. The best part is that it actually takes advantage of the real benefit of the 3-4: any LB at any time can be a free rusher. It is a true 3 man front, and the 4th man is often coming from LB depth. It is exceedingly difficult for OL to pick up blocking assignments pre snap, as this 4th guy is off the LOS. The entire premise is to create mismatches and confusion. You will very frequently see 5 guys blocking only 2 defenders.

Additionally, any of the LBs can play coverage, and convincingly, b/c they are actual LBs, with LB speed. There is no "hybrid" standup DE like AQM covering the flat, instead it's a 230 lb dude with quickness who can play in space.

Aranda does to the 3-4 what JJ did to the 4-3. He uses speed and quickness to disrupt offenses, instead of lining up and trying to outmuscle them. And the results speak for themselves.

Good post but there is one part I don't understand. "Wisconsin's offense doesn't do it's defense many favors, as they rank 83rd and 79th in total and scoring offense respectively, but unlike BC they do possess the ball quite a bit."

That is the definition of doing your defense a favor. Ball control and not scoring a bunch both help your defense. That is doing them a big favor you mean.

 

[FullyERicht]

https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/wanna-savage-dc-don-brown/95022
(For an explanation of the series and Part I on BC's Don Brown, click above.)

Aranda is in his 3rd season at Wisky. Prior to that he was the DC at Utah State. Wisconsin ranks 3rd in total defense, and 1st in scoring defense. Wisconsin's offense doesn't do it's defense many favors, as they rank 83rd and 79th in total and scoring offense respectively, but unlike BC they do possess the ball quite a bit.

Aranda has had a top 10 defense each year in Wisconsin. Even more impressive is that he fielded the 14th total defense and 7th scoring defense in the nation at Utah State.

I can hear the comments from the peanut gallery: "He runs a 3-4!!"

Yes he does. But the defense he runs has significantly more philosophically in common with the Miami 4-3 than it does the Al Groh 3-4. Allow me to explain:

The Golden 3-4 defense is rooted in a principal of 2-gap football. I'm not going to go into 2-gap football too much, but for a history on it and how it differs from single gap systems, read this. The main thing to know is that in order to 2-gap , your front must have size, strength and power. You simply can't play it with 230 pound Inside Backers and 220 pound outside backers.

Because of the need for size, your three DL are weaker pass rushers, and don't stunt very well. Your OLBs are essential standup DEs. The weakside DE will rush about 75% of the time, and play coverage the rest of the time. As a result, it essentially is a three DT, one DE defense, with 3 large, slower LBs, and sometimes the DE plays a zone. I'm not Parcells, but to me, it's an unbelievably stupid way to defend.

Most proponents of 3-4 defenses cite "confusion, unpredictability" as reasons for it's superiority. But the classic 3-4 defenses are tremendously predictable: you either have the standup DE rushing most of the time, or that kid is playing a flat zone, which is a horrendous mismatch in modern football.

Now Aranda's 3-4. It's a single gap. His defensive linemen are all below 300 lbs, and they slant and stunt all game. One DE is 298, the other is 268, and the nose is 278. Their OLBs are 240 lbs and 220 lbs. Their ILB are both in the 230s. It is like taking the exact personnel of the old JJ defense, and replacing one of the DEs with an even faster guy who plays weakside LB.

The emphasis is on speed, stunting, and pressure. The best part is that it actually takes advantage of the real benefit of the 3-4: any LB at any time can be a free rusher. It is a true 3 man front, and the 4th man is often coming from LB depth. It is exceedingly difficult for OL to pick up blocking assignments pre snap, as this 4th guy is off the LOS. The entire premise is to create mismatches and confusion. You will very frequently see 5 guys blocking only 2 defenders.

Additionally, any of the LBs can play coverage, and convincingly, b/c they are actual LBs, with LB speed. There is no "hybrid" standup DE like AQM covering the flat, instead it's a 230 lb dude with quickness who can play in space.

Aranda does to the 3-4 what JJ did to the 4-3. He uses speed and quickness to disrupt offenses, instead of lining up and trying to outmuscle them. And the results speak for themselves.

Good post but there is one part I don't understand. "Wisconsin's offense doesn't do it's defense many favors, as they rank 83rd and 79th in total and scoring offense respectively, but unlike BC they do possess the ball quite a bit."

That is the definition of doing your defense a favor. Ball control and not scoring a bunch both help your defense. That is doing them a big favor you mean.

They don't do them any favors b/c when you play a team that scores a lot, what does that mean for you? It means you have to pass more, which is what Wisconsin wants you to do bc of their size and slanting.

Smaller, get up the field type slanting defenses love nothing more than you to abandon the run game.

 

[Al Foil]

Aranda makes 500k at Wisconsin.

Throw 1.2 mil at him and full control of the defense.

 

[Al Foil]

The 4-3 vs 3-4 is a stupid argument.

Half of the NFl runs 3-4.

It's the overall philosophy that matters....aggressive vs. passive. Simple vs complex.

Sorry you cant convince me on a 3-4 no matter whatI am forever scarred and scorned

And this is why we can't have nice things.......

Miami used to innovate. Now we have Nebraska-itis: clinging to the old days and refusing to re-invent.

No need to reinvent some of the best defenses in college still run 4-3.... If it ain't broke

 

[Mico Jones]

https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/wanna-savage-dc-don-brown/95022
(For an explanation of the series and Part I on BC's Don Brown, click above.)

Aranda is in his 3rd season at Wisky. Prior to that he was the DC at Utah State. Wisconsin ranks 3rd in total defense, and 1st in scoring defense. Wisconsin's offense doesn't do it's defense many favors, as they rank 83rd and 79th in total and scoring offense respectively, but unlike BC they do possess the ball quite a bit.

Aranda has had a top 10 defense each year in Wisconsin. Even more impressive is that he fielded the 14th total defense and 7th scoring defense in the nation at Utah State.

I can hear the comments from the peanut gallery: "He runs a 3-4!!"

Yes he does. But the defense he runs has significantly more philosophically in common with the Miami 4-3 than it does the Al Groh 3-4. Allow me to explain:

The Golden 3-4 defense is rooted in a principal of 2-gap football. I'm not going to go into 2-gap football too much, but for a history on it and how it differs from single gap systems, read this. The main thing to know is that in order to 2-gap , your front must have size, strength and power. You simply can't play it with 230 pound Inside Backers and 220 pound outside backers.

Because of the need for size, your three DL are weaker pass rushers, and don't stunt very well. Your OLBs are essential standup DEs. The weakside DE will rush about 75% of the time, and play coverage the rest of the time. As a result, it essentially is a three DT, one DE defense, with 3 large, slower LBs, and sometimes the DE plays a zone. I'm not Parcells, but to me, it's an unbelievably stupid way to defend.

Most proponents of 3-4 defenses cite "confusion, unpredictability" as reasons for it's superiority. But the classic 3-4 defenses are tremendously predictable: you either have the standup DE rushing most of the time, or that kid is playing a flat zone, which is a horrendous mismatch in modern football.

Now Aranda's 3-4. It's a single gap. His defensive linemen are all below 300 lbs, and they slant and stunt all game. One DE is 298, the other is 268, and the nose is 278. Their OLBs are 240 lbs and 220 lbs. Their ILB are both in the 230s. It is like taking the exact personnel of the old JJ defense, and replacing one of the DEs with an even faster guy who plays weakside LB.

The emphasis is on speed, stunting, and pressure. The best part is that it actually takes advantage of the real benefit of the 3-4: any LB at any time can be a free rusher. It is a true 3 man front, and the 4th man is often coming from LB depth. It is exceedingly difficult for OL to pick up blocking assignments pre snap, as this 4th guy is off the LOS. The entire premise is to create mismatches and confusion. You will very frequently see 5 guys blocking only 2 defenders.

Additionally, any of the LBs can play coverage, and convincingly, b/c they are actual LBs, with LB speed. There is no "hybrid" standup DE like AQM covering the flat, instead it's a 230 lb dude with quickness who can play in space.

Aranda does to the 3-4 what JJ did to the 4-3. He uses speed and quickness to disrupt offenses, instead of lining up and trying to outmuscle them. And the results speak for themselves.

Good post but there is one part I don't understand. "Wisconsin's offense doesn't do it's defense many favors, as they rank 83rd and 79th in total and scoring offense respectively, but unlike BC they do possess the ball quite a bit."

That is the definition of doing your defense a favor. Ball control and not scoring a bunch both help your defense. That is doing them a big favor you mean.

They don't do them any favors b/c when you play a team that scores a lot, what does that mean for you? It means you have to pass more, which is what Wisconsin wants you to do bc of their size and slanting.

Smaller, get up the field type slanting defenses love nothing more than you to abandon the run game.

They also can't stop power running. See the Wisky Alabsma game.

 

[Tad Footeball]

Where's today's candidate and Part III? I've been enjoying these.

 

[The Franchise]

Aranda makes 500k at Wisconsin.

Throw 1.2 mil at him and full control of the defense.

LOL at offering the guy a $700K raise. You must not negotiate for a living.

 

[The Franchise]

After reading that OP my screen is bowing out because of Paranos' fully-engorged pelvic protuberance.

 

[Tad Footeball]

After reading that OP my screen is bowing out because of Paranos' fully-engorged pelvic protuberance.

Hopefully his probation officer doesn't come over today. He's not legally allowed to get that excited as a registered offender.

 

[BoxingRobes]

Would not be a big fan of this hire. He's a good coordinator, but I'm out on a 3-4 defense.

 

[blackvern]

The 4-3 vs 3-4 is a stupid argument.

Half of the NFl runs 3-4.

It's the overall philosophy that matters....aggressive vs. passive. Simple vs complex.

Sorry you cant convince me on a 3-4 no matter whatI am forever scarred and scorned

And this is why we can't have nice things.......

Miami used to innovate. Now we have Nebraska-itis: clinging to the old days and refusing to re-invent.

No need to reinvent some of the best defenses in college still run 4-3.... If it ain't broke

This aint the NFL where we could draft who we choose to...we recruit from SOuth Florida bruh.... 3-4 aint the way to win down here

 

[FullyERicht]

The 4-3 vs 3-4 is a stupid argument.

Half of the NFl runs 3-4.

It's the overall philosophy that matters....aggressive vs. passive. Simple vs complex.

Sorry you cant convince me on a 3-4 no matter whatI am forever scarred and scorned

And this is why we can't have nice things.......

Miami used to innovate. Now we have Nebraska-itis: clinging to the old days and refusing to re-invent.

No need to reinvent some of the best defenses in college still run 4-3.... If it ain't broke

This aint the NFL where we could draft who we choose to...we recruit from SOuth Florida bruh.... 3-4 aint the way to win down here

You clearly didn't read the post, nor understand it. The personnel he uses is literally identical to the JJ 4-3. Read the OP again.

 

[DaU83]

whoever it is.. needs to have a nasty defense.. without that, we're not getting to where we need to be.