So UM people are throwing the players under the bus Again

[5Ringz]

Corn Elder
Artie Burns
Antonio Crawford

All have elite speed. One of them even has Olympic speed. Can't make plays in this scheme either. Guess they suck too?

 

[Canesfan1899]

They can all go **** themselves.

 

[BALLHAWKU]

The #1 CB in the country that year. Guess Bama, FSU, UF, USC, Auburn, LSU, ND, and UGA all "overestimated" his speed, too. Gtfo.

Add this to last week's bullshlt claim that Bush and Carter can't play the football in the air. Two more south Florida kids that could've picked up the phone and told any school in the country they wanted a spot and got right in.

Three highly-coveted local kids thrown under the bus. Disgusting.

wouldn't be shocked if they bring back them clowns they don't sit out a year and leave I would it would up there stock in the NFL to head to a team like Bama or the Gaytors with T Rob

 

[5Ringz]

These kids should transfer for sure.

Look at how well Gionni Paul and Rico Williams are doing.

 

[kendallcanes]

Is it coaching? Perhaps Scheme? Probably Should he have been a 5 star? No

Antrel Rolle was a similar prospect coming out of high school as Tracy Howard, but Antrel Rolle would dominate. If Antrel played today, he would dominate in our scheme, with our coaches, and with our defense. He wouldn't be sharing plays with the backups. Open field tackles, no problem for Antrel. I like Tracy Howard but I have seen him miss tackles that a player should make regardless of scheme or coaching. Tackling is something he has been doing since he was a kid. He also has been beaten one of one with a receiver. Again, this is something he has been doing since he was a kid and the blame falls on him. I expect more from him because I know he can play better.

A coach wouldn't want to take Antrel off the field because the defense would be weaker. If Tracy Howard is on the field or not, I don't notice a difference. Do you?

Lastly, if we had a pass rush. Yes, I know it's not possible, but if we did, I feel the Tracy that we thought we were getting or at least close to that player would become realized.

 

[AZHurricane]

And we get excoriated for supporting a banner behind a plane.


It's a mad, mad, mad, mad world!

+1 for the use of excoriated and +1 for the mad mad mad mad world reference.

Oh and f*ck these "UM people".

 

[poncho0091]

So let's get this straight, pretty much every 5 star we've had except Duke is a bust, most of the 4 stars we've had are busts, pretty much 85% of our roster are busts. Sounds like a player issue to me....

I'm dead serious when I say I don't know if more than 5 players on this team have gotten significantly better since this coaching staff took over. Bigger sure, but better, not so much.

 

[Insanecane]

Is it coaching? Perhaps Scheme? Probably Should he have been a 5 star? No

Antrel Rolle was a similar prospect coming out of high school as Tracy Howard, but Antrel Rolle would dominate. If Antrel played today, he would dominate in our scheme, with our coaches, and with our defense. He wouldn't be sharing plays with the backups. Open field tackles, no problem for Antrel. I like Tracy Howard but I have seen him miss tackles that a player should make regardless of scheme or coaching. Tackling is something he has been doing since he was a kid. He also has been beaten one of one with a receiver. Again, this is something he has been doing since he was a kid and the blame falls on him. I expect more from him because I know he can play better.

A coach wouldn't want to take Antrel off the field because the defense would be weaker. If Tracy Howard is on the field or not, I don't notice a difference. Do you?

Lastly, if we had a pass rush. Yes, I know it's not possible, but if we did, I feel the Tracy that we thought we were getting or at least close to that player would become realized.

Improved tackling can be coached. In fact, it should be a priority.

 

[orange&green84]

Why do the other CBs get beat so much under Folden? Are they all slow too?

Only have one decent corner that I've seen.

Corn Elder

Nope they aren't slow they just play with no confidence, zero ball skills, zero awareness.

I don't disagree about ****ty coaching, but how come other players from other schools with **** coaching still rise above.

Please name these players. I'm intrigued now...

 

[dk72]

Isn't that an accurate statement about T. Howard though?!? Can recall many posters bashing him for his lack of speed and not living up to his 5-star rating; in a previous thread just a few weeks ago. Just sayin'

I've been following college football since the 1970s and I've seen my share of DBs who were stellar in college but didn't pan out in the
NFL because of limitations....whether it was because of size, speed, whatever...

It didn't stop them from being very productive college DBs.

Howard and several of his DB teammates were recruited by all the big boys, and now we hearing from these "unnamed" sources
that they can't play?

I yell BS.

Howard's problems are his and his alone. There's a reason that Corn Elder, shorter and less highly recruited, is taking up a lot of Howard's playing time. Elder tackles 100 times better than Howard, who can't seem to hit a stationary object in space when trying to tackle.

Shut the fvck up you ******.

This staff has failed to develop a multitude of players at a variety of positions. And while players need to be held accountable, Howard is one of many (particularly in the secondary) that have failed to progress since arriving at Miami.

Howard, Bush, Burns, and Carter could have gone to any school that they wanted, but chose Miami, and haven't done jack **** on the field.

But your Golden-slurping dvmbass will look toward one player who is having a solid season as a reason to blame the players and not the coaches.

Whatever you football illiterate. How is it that Elder has been playing so well, but Howard hasn't? How is it that none of Howard's failures are on Howard himself? Have you actually watched him play? He misses more tackles than he makes. When the ball is in the air, he's often lost, not able to track the ball. He embarrassed himself on t.v. on one play where the ball landed right next to him for what would be an easy interception, but he didn't even see it. That's not happening to Elder, why is it happening to Howard?

 

[Gatorhater]

Yeap, and we have a bunch of 2* coaches who still managed to not live up to even low *** expectations. No matter how low the expectations go for Al and friends, they manage to slip right under them and suck even more than expected. I use to think Al was at least a good CEO type who need better assistants. Not any more. As a leader you can't treat the ground ponders like this and expect them to not have low morale. Guy has to go. If he had any good assistants, those are the one he would fire or drive off -- wait, the only good one did leave.

 

[The Franchise]

In true Folden **** mopper fashion, guys are now pitting Elder against Howard and trying to make it look like Elder is Deion Sanders mixed with Richard Sherman and Howard is Harry Colon. Time to kill Howard to make your leader Kim Jong Al happy.

Suddenly, Howard can't track the football, and Elder is a ball hawk. How many picks does Elder have? How about Howard?

 

[chicanego]

Isn't that an accurate statement about T. Howard though?!? Can recall many posters bashing him for his lack of speed and not living up to his 5-star rating; in a previous thread just a few weeks ago. Just sayin'

I've been following college football since the 1970s and I've seen my share of DBs who were stellar in college but didn't pan out in the
NFL because of limitations....whether it was because of size, speed, whatever...

It didn't stop them from being very productive college DBs.

Howard and several of his DB teammates were recruited by all the big boys, and now we hearing from these "unnamed" sources
that they can't play?

I yell BS.

Howard's problems are his and his alone. There's a reason that Corn Elder, shorter and less highly recruited, is taking up a lot of Howard's playing time. Elder tackles 100 times better than Howard, who can't seem to hit a stationary object in space when trying to tackle.

Shut the fvck up you ******.

This staff has failed to develop a multitude of players at a variety of positions. And while players need to be held accountable, Howard is one of many (particularly in the secondary) that have failed to progress since arriving at Miami.

Howard, Bush, Burns, and Carter could have gone to any school that they wanted, but chose Miami, and haven't done jack **** on the field.

But your Golden-slurping dvmbass will look toward one player who is having a solid season as a reason to blame the players and not the coaches.

Whatever you football illiterate. How is it that Elder has been playing so well, but Howard hasn't? How is it that none of Howard's failures are on Howard himself? Have you actually watched him play? He misses more tackles than he makes. When the ball is in the air, he's often lost, not able to track the ball. He embarrassed himself on t.v. on one play where the ball landed right next to him for what would be an easy interception, but he didn't even see it. That's not happening to Elder, why is it happening to Howard?

It's not just Howard, you dope.

It's Howard, Bush, Carter, Burns and an abundance of players at other positions. What about the Golden castoffs (Grimble, Gionni Paul) balling out at other schools? Put me on hold and I'll listen.

Let me get this straight:

Corn Elder is a reflection of great coaching and player development from Al Golden and staff, but the Howard's, Burns', Bush's, Carter's Crawford's, etc. are just bad luck? The fact Elder is the only defensive back (and really one of the only Al Golden-signed players) to have excelled here (if that's even what you want to call it) is a damning indicment that Golden cannot coach or develop. You sound like one of the idiots that says Golden develops NFL players by solely pointing to Muhammed Wilkerson.

The audacity of a ****** like you to claim Howard's problems are his own. These are 18-year old kids we're talking about. They need guidance and need to be coached.

You're the same dumbass that ******* and whines when banners are flown, but then throw the players under the bus, and claim their struggles are their own doing to defend the coaching staff.

 

[WhatTheHell]

Isn't that an accurate statement about T. Howard though?!? Can recall many posters bashing him for his lack of speed and not living up to his 5-star rating; in a previous thread just a few weeks ago. Just sayin'

I've been following college football since the 1970s and I've seen my share of DBs who were stellar in college but didn't pan out in the
NFL because of limitations....whether it was because of size, speed, whatever...

It didn't stop them from being very productive college DBs.

Howard and several of his DB teammates were recruited by all the big boys, and now we hearing from these "unnamed" sources
that they can't play?

I yell BS.

Howard's problems are his and his alone. There's a reason that Corn Elder, shorter and less highly recruited, is taking up a lot of Howard's playing time. Elder tackles 100 times better than Howard, who can't seem to hit a stationary object in space when trying to tackle.

Shut the fvck up you ******.

This staff has failed to develop a multitude of players at a variety of positions. And while players need to be held accountable, Howard is one of many (particularly in the secondary) that have failed to progress since arriving at Miami.

Howard, Bush, Burns, and Carter could have gone to any school that they wanted, but chose Miami, and haven't done jack **** on the field.

But your Golden-slurping dvmbass will look toward one player who is having a solid season as a reason to blame the players and not the coaches.

Whatever you football illiterate. How is it that Elder has been playing so well, but Howard hasn't? How is it that none of Howard's failures are on Howard himself? Have you actually watched him play? He misses more tackles than he makes. When the ball is in the air, he's often lost, not able to track the ball. He embarrassed himself on t.v. on one play where the ball landed right next to him for what would be an easy interception, but he didn't even see it. That's not happening to Elder, why is it happening to Howard?

Lmao at you calling anyone a "football illiterate." You'd figure that spending an entire off-season running your mouth and talking down to people that didn't have Miami going 12-0 would've humbled you. Clearly you're not embarrassed about looking like a jackass that was horribly wrong.

You're like an idiot version of the Terminator. Good for you.


Tracy Howard became the #1 CB in the country by using his physicality. He shutdown WRs by playing at the LOS and kicking their *** at the snap. His bread and butter is roughing guys up 1-1 and getting in their face at the snap. That's what he's great at, and it's that skill that made him the most coveted high school CB 3 years ago.

He's now spending every snap "thinking." That's why that ball fell at his feet. He's so occupied trying to remember which zone to play, which routes to pass off, etc, that he can't just rely on instinct and play. Corn Elder is proving to be a better player in this system? That's fine. It has nothing to do with the complete mismanagement of Howard's talents.

You wouldn't recruit a pocket passer with a 5.9 40 to run GT's offense. He'd look awful, even if he was Peyton Manning. This staff is trying to force a kid into a role that doesn't suit his skill set.

Maximize talent, get them in a position to be an asset and make plays. That's the priority. This staff doesn't do that. It's a blanket, one sizze fits all scheme, personnel be damned.

Now go tell us again how bad we're gonna beat Louisville.

 

[Ibis Wingz]

I've been following college football since the 1970s and I've seen my share of DBs who were stellar in college but didn't pan out in the
NFL because of limitations....whether it was because of size, speed, whatever...

It didn't stop them from being very productive college DBs.

Howard and several of his DB teammates were recruited by all the big boys, and now we hearing from these "unnamed" sources
that they can't play?

I yell BS.

Howard's problems are his and his alone. There's a reason that Corn Elder, shorter and less highly recruited, is taking up a lot of Howard's playing time. Elder tackles 100 times better than Howard, who can't seem to hit a stationary object in space when trying to tackle.

Shut the fvck up you ******.

This staff has failed to develop a multitude of players at a variety of positions. And while players need to be held accountable, Howard is one of many (particularly in the secondary) that have failed to progress since arriving at Miami.

Howard, Bush, Burns, and Carter could have gone to any school that they wanted, but chose Miami, and haven't done jack **** on the field.

But your Golden-slurping dvmbass will look toward one player who is having a solid season as a reason to blame the players and not the coaches.

Whatever you football illiterate. How is it that Elder has been playing so well, but Howard hasn't? How is it that none of Howard's failures are on Howard himself? Have you actually watched him play? He misses more tackles than he makes. When the ball is in the air, he's often lost, not able to track the ball. He embarrassed himself on t.v. on one play where the ball landed right next to him for what would be an easy interception, but he didn't even see it. That's not happening to Elder, why is it happening to Howard?

Lmao at you calling anyone a "football illiterate." You'd figure that spending an entire off-season running your mouth and talking down to people that didn't have Miami going 12-0 would've humbled you. Clearly you're not embarrassed about looking like a jackass that was horribly wrong.

You're like an idiot version of the Terminator. Good for you.


Tracy Howard became the #1 CB in the country by using his physicality. He shutdown WRs by playing at the LOS and kicking their *** at the snap. His bread and butter is roughing guys up 1-1 and getting in their face at the snap. That's what he's great at, and it's that skill that made him the most coveted high school CB 3 years ago.

He's now spending every snap "thinking." That's why that ball fell at his feet. He's so occupied trying to remember which zone to play, which routes to pass off, etc, that he can't just rely on instinct and play. Corn Elder is proving to be a better player in this system? That's fine. It has nothing to do with the complete mismanagement of Howard's talents. Also, nice to see one player is somewhat playing well in the secondary, while a trio of all-world recruits in Howard, Bush, Carter, and Burns are mismanaged.

You wouldn't recruit a pocket passer with a 5.9 40 to run GT's offense. He'd look awful, even if he was Peyton Manning. This staff is trying to force a kid into a role that doesn't suit his skill set.

Maximize talent, get them in a position to be an asset and make plays. That's the priority. This staff doesn't do that. It's a blanket, one sizze fits all scheme, personnel be damned.

Now go tell us again how bad we're gonna beat Louisville.

LMAO@these buttwipes who cry about the banners and claim that they hurt the players and then destroy the players on the message boards. Sheer hypocrisy.

WTH is correct about TH3's skill set. The kid has Ty Law's skill set, yet these morons play him 8 yards off the LOS. This corching staff is an abomination. I truly loathe them.

 

[The Franchise]

It's not the corch's job to fit his system to the strengths of his players and to put them in the best positron to succeed. It's up to the players to develop skills they might not have to fit into the corch's system.

 

[kendallcanes]

I agree with what you are saying, but a 5* corner should be more all-around than just a get in your face corner? Are we playing to his strengths? No

 

[Vanquish9]

Is it coaching? Perhaps Scheme? Probably Should he have been a 5 star? No

Antrel Rolle was a similar prospect coming out of high school as Tracy Howard, but Antrel Rolle would dominate. If Antrel played today, he would dominate in our scheme, with our coaches, and with our defense. He wouldn't be sharing plays with the backups. Open field tackles, no problem for Antrel. I like Tracy Howard but I have seen him miss tackles that a player should make regardless of scheme or coaching. Tackling is something he has been doing since he was a kid. He also has been beaten one of one with a receiver. Again, this is something he has been doing since he was a kid and the blame falls on him. I expect more from him because I know he can play better.

A coach wouldn't want to take Antrel off the field because the defense would be weaker. If Tracy Howard is on the field or not, I don't notice a difference. Do you?

Lastly, if we had a pass rush. Yes, I know it's not possible, but if we did, I feel the Tracy that we thought we were getting or at least close to that player would become realized.

Improved tackling can be coached. In fact, it should be a priority.

not by this staff

 

[datdude81]

Isn't that an accurate statement about T. Howard though?!? Can recall many posters bashing him for his lack of speed and not living up to his 5-star rating; in a previous thread just a few weeks ago. Just sayin'

Yes this is True...Tracy has never been a speedy corner...but the kid studies his film and has great instincts...
The scheme does not cater to his talents at all...

When your D-coordinator fears getting beat over the top...makes you understand why Tracy rarely gets reps....
They like gunter because he is a sure tackler (in space most times) and corn elder is a **** of an athlete, they like
burns cuz of his speed...Tracy would do well in another school...he would get a chance to use his cover skills and
get more of a chance to be physical at the LOS

This. And it's compounded by the lack of any consistent pass rush which only exacerbates his lack of speed and this irrational fear of getting beat on the big plays that's dominating the scheme design.

If we had any decent pass rush...just a decent one...our secondary would be monsters...
this scheme and not having coordinators that trust the talent of the athletes that THEY RECRUITED
is extremely confusing to me....

 

[SFbayCane]

None of our players look fast in this scheme. Too much thinking/hesitating

This.


Of course our DB's look slow when they have to start every play 12 yards away from the starting line. Our LB's start out 7 yards down field, of course they look slow to the ball.


Cue the James Carville voice: "Iss da scheme, stupid."