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So. Tell me the difference in 2020 from 2013 or 2017

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@Miami04
2013: First 7 games:
Offense:
-Avg. 39.6 ppg (disclaimer, we also scored the most points in our history at 77 against a FCS school during these first 7 games)
Leaders:
-Stephen Morris: 1443 Yrds / 10 TDs / 8 ints
-Duke Johnson: 739 rushing / 7.2 ypc / 6 TDs
-Allen Hurns: 516 receiving / 73.7 ypg / 2 TDs
-Avg. 2.0 TOs/g

Defense:
-Avg. 17.7 ppg (disclaimer; we gave up 7 points to a FCS school during these first 7 games)
-Avg. 342.3 ypg
-Avg. 2.71 Take Aways/g

—Opponents’ record (season): 31-55—


2017: First 7 games:
Offense:
-Avg. 32.0 ppg (disclaimer: we played a FCS school this season)
Leaders:
-Malik Rosier: 2,071 Yrds / 17 TDs / 4 ints
-Travis Homer: 512 Yrds / 7.6 ypc / 6 TDs
-Braxton Berrios: 415 Yrds / 59.4 ypg / 6 TDs
-Avg 0.85 TOs/g

Defense:
-Avg. 18.7 ppg
-Avg. 380.7 ypg
-Avg. 2.28 Take Aways/g

—Opponents’ record (season): 45-42—


2020: First 7 games:
Offense:
-Avg. 33.42 ppg
Leaders:
-D’eriq King: 1831 / 16 TDs / 4 ints
-Cam Harris: 408 rushing / 5.0 ypc / 5 TDs
-Mike Harley: 497 Yrds / 71 ypg / 4 TDs

Defense:
-Avg. 24.8 ppg
-Avg. 393.9 ypg
-Avg. 1.42 Take Aways/g

—Opponents’ record (thus far): 25-25–

These are quick stats w/o going to other details like 3rd/4th down conversions, stats/half, etc. These #’s give a quick indication as to similarities between all these teams.

@Coach Macho said it best; clearly our defense has taken a step back. Neither teams have played a murderer’s row schedule w/in their first 7 games. Even in 2013, #12 UF were paper top 25 & bottom’d out.

What’s ironic is that Rosier did put up **** good #’s to start off the season. Right now, King has accounted for 2,237 ttl yrds & 18 TDs on 63.8% compare that to Rosier accounting for 2282 ttl yrds & 19 TDs on 57.3% in 2017.

Now one thing working in favor of this 2020 team is that it’s played 1 G5 opponent, and 6 ACC opponents. Both the 2013 & ‘17 squads played 1 FCS, 1 G5 to start off, but both also played a top 15 (at the time) OOC opponent.

What’s going to set this 2020 team apart from its predecessors is how we finish. Both collapsed and that collapse carried over to the following year. Right now, it’s a bit premature to compare them to each other, b/c even though there are similarities, we just don’t know how the season will end & what domino will fall (for better or worst) the following seasons.
 
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GojiraCane said:
Compare it to our other 6-1 starts (2000, 2003, 2005). Whats the difference there?

Overall talent is weaker. Defense is definitely weaker versus all three squads. Quarterback is better than the 2003 and 2005 teams. There is far more depth at wide receiver than the 2005 squad.
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Good god that 2000 and 2003 team would beat this team by 100 😂😂
 
Offense. Always had us at 3 losses (VT and UNC) so wouldn’t shock me if it happens. Defense is a shell of itself with far worse players. Jaquan and redwine saved us all game every game
 
What will people say if we hit 9-1? Will there still be room to ***** about future losses based on current performance?
We are playing solid teams and finding ways to win. We are not dominant so I’m sure the remaining teams will present some kind of match up problem in one way or another. Keep fighting hard and stacking wins.

Manny so far has fixed, the QB spot, kicking game, offensive scheme, and the season let down problem we have had. The boy is trending up. I’m not opposed to a new DC but if that does not happen it wouldn’t be the end of the world as the defense has consistently been top 15. Hopefully the 20 class will make up the step back after losing our top tacklers and sack leader.
 
jsy said:
Are you really claiming that kings current back up is as good or even close to his level ?
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No, THE FACTS ARE stating the case for em, he don't need me, that FSU game showed what perry has in em, as well as the UVA game last year, but remember, he put up that 400yrd performance in dumb *** coach enos already's pathetic non-offense. So talent wise, perry has more way more upside, did you see how many times perry got sacked. Their is a reason coach diaz didn't put perry in that Clemson game in the 2nd half, or at least the 4th quarter, so no controversy could be started, King was trash against Clemson, those 2 picks he threw were at the worst time in that type of ball game. People that were blaming wiggins, wasn't wiggins fault, King under threw em. I like King, he has earned my respect, the 2 things he has on perry is he doesn't hesistate to run it, where as perry is a True pass first style qb, and in pretty much every game Perry has played in here, we had a chance to win it or we won, his record as a starter is not bad. The other thing is, what King does prior to games, perry is a young man developing, he has the talent and everything he needs to excel at football, all he needed was the right environment around em, and the main thing with him, he's definitely not a quitter.

I'll take perry with solid o-line play over King when it comes to just pure passing ability, I'm just mad we won't get to see the perry to jeff thomas show no mo, those 2 had a real good connection.

Keep in mind, perry has had 3oc's, whereas King was already coming here from already playing in a similar offense that rhett runs conceptually, which made the transition a lil quicker. I didn't like what I saw from King in the that Clemson game, he let them rattle him, perry is a lead by play type of guy, he's not trying to be something he's not, he's #2 for a reason.
 
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Calvin said:
No, THE FACTS ARE stating the case for em, he don't need me, that FSU game showed what perry has in em, as well as the UVA game last year, but remember, he put up that 400yrd performance in dumb *** coach enos already's pathetic non-offense. So talent wise, perry has more way more upside, did you see how many times perry got sacked. Their is a reason coach diaz didn't put perry in that Clemson game in the 2nd half, or at least the 4th quarter, so no controversy could be started, King was trash against Clemson, those 2 picks he threw were at the worst time in that type of ball game. People that were blaming wiggins, wasn't wiggins fault, King under threw em. I like King, he has earned my respect, the 2 things he has on perry is he doesn't hesistate to run it, where as perry is a True pass first style qb, and in pretty much every game Perry has played in here, we had a chance to win it or we won, his record as a starter is not bad. The other thing is, what King does prior to games, perry is a young man developing, he has the talent and everything he needs to excel at football, all he needed was the right environment around em, and the main thing with him, he's definitely not a quitter.

I'll take perry with solid o-line play over King when it comes to just pure passing ability, I'm just mad we won't get to see the perry to jeff thomas show no mo, those 2 had a real good connection.

Keep in mind, perry has had 3oc's, whereas King was already coming here from already playing in a similar offense that rhett runs conceptually, which made the transition a lil quicker. I didn't like what I saw from King in the that Clemson game, he let them rattle him, perry is a lead by play type of guy, he's not trying to be something he's not, he's #2 for a reason.
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Jesus Christ

Perry was awful against UVA last year and awful against FSU the year before

He’s not a good QB
 
King alone is the difference. He gives us a chance to win EVERY SINGLE FREAKING GAME. And so far he has won a couple (this last one fo su).
 
Calvin said:
No, THE FACTS ARE stating the case for em, he don't need me, that FSU game showed what perry has in em, as well as the UVA game last year, but remember, he put up that 400yrd performance in dumb *** coach enos already's pathetic non-offense. So talent wise, perry has more way more upside, did you see how many times perry got sacked. Their is a reason coach diaz didn't put perry in that Clemson game in the 2nd half, or at least the 4th quarter, so no controversy could be started, King was trash against Clemson, those 2 picks he threw were at the worst time in that type of ball game. People that were blaming wiggins, wasn't wiggins fault, King under threw em. I like King, he has earned my respect, the 2 things he has on perry is he doesn't hesistate to run it, where as perry is a True pass first style qb, and in pretty much every game Perry has played in here, we had a chance to win it or we won, his record as a starter is not bad. The other thing is, what King does prior to games, perry is a young man developing, he has the talent and everything he needs to excel at football, all he needed was the right environment around em, and the main thing with him, he's definitely not a quitter.

I'll take perry with solid o-line play over King when it comes to just pure passing ability, I'm just mad we won't get to see the perry to jeff thomas show no mo, those 2 had a real good connection.

Keep in mind, perry has had 3oc's, whereas King was already coming here from already playing in a similar offense that rhett runs conceptually, which made the transition a lil quicker. I didn't like what I saw from King in the that Clemson game, he let them rattle him, perry is a lead by play type of guy, he's not trying to be something he's not, he's #2 for a reason.
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Jesus H. Christ
 
There is no difference now really except the defense is not playing like a Manny defense. Manny's D may not have been sound per sey but they made plays and a lot of them. 2020 defense is completely unsound and they really arent making plays. Manny needs to get rid of the DC, this is his 2nd yr and its getting progressively worse. I should backtrack a little because Dking is a leader and he is a leader because he can make plays. That is huge for a team. He provides hope, I can't imagine his teammates not loving him. The only saving grace defensively from the NCSt game was on the game sealing pick. Jennings actually covered an offensive player that helped force that pick. 4th quarter defense was on point so its hard for me to believe Miami can't replicate this. This is on Baker though, to me, he has a four game interview
 
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Go Canes!! said:
Calvin I try and stick up for you here because of your love for Dade and the Canes.

But this take is insane. Kosi has been AWFUL far too many times for you to even think this.
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I don't need you taking up for me, just take up for the facts, you judging perry based off of what, right now King is throwing to a bunch of hungry receivers that came in with or right before perry who most were crybabies except wiggins, king not in coach enos already's pathetic offensive mind offense. The tape and his record as a starter don't lie, next, king is playing behind a more physically mature gaynor, scaife, nelson, clark and the new jack williams, let's let perry play under these same conditions, under rhett's wide open scheme that perry can definitely play in, King's arm is nowhere near perry's, especially when he's focused. But king showed he's also about that Life n this last game, against Clemson though he didn't though he didnt show that much fight in em. Don't sleep on perry!
 
Rellyrell said:
@Miami04
2013: First 7 games:
Offense:
-Avg. 39.6 ppg (disclaimer, we also scored the most points in our history at 77 against a FCS school during these first 7 games)
Leaders:
-Stephen Morris: 1443 Yrds / 10 TDs / 8 ints
-Duke Johnson: 739 rushing / 7.2 ypc / 6 TDs
-Allen Hurns: 516 receiving / 73.7 ypg / 2 TDs
-Avg. 2.0 TOs/g

Defense:
-Avg. 17.7 ppg (disclaimer; we gave up 7 points to a FCS school during these first 7 games)
-Avg. 342.3 ypg
-Avg. 2.71 Take Aways/g

—Opponents’ record (season): 31-55—


2017: First 7 games:
Offense:
-Avg. 32.0 ppg (disclaimer: we played a FCS school this season)
Leaders:
-Malik Rosier: 2,071 Yrds / 17 TDs / 4 ints
-Travis Homer: 512 Yrds / 7.6 ypc / 6 TDs
-Braxton Berrios: 415 Yrds / 59.4 ypg / 6 TDs
-Avg 0.85 TOs/g

Defense:
-Avg. 18.7 ppg
-Avg. 380.7 ypg
-Avg. 2.28 Take Aways/g

—Opponents’ record (season): 45-42—


2020: First 7 games:
Offense:
-Avg. 33.42 ppg
Leaders:
-D’eriq King: 1831 / 16 TDs / 4 ints
-Cam Harris: 408 rushing / 5.0 ypc / 5 TDs
-Mike Harley: 497 Yrds / 71 ypg / 4 TDs

Defense:
-Avg. 24.8 ppg
-Avg. 393.9 ypg
-Avg. 1.42 Take Aways/g

—Opponents’ record (thus far): 25-25–

These are quick stats w/o going to other details like 3rd/4th down conversions, stats/half, etc. These #’s give a quick indication as to similarities between all these teams.

@Coach Macho said it best; clearly our defense has taken a step back. Neither teams have played a murder’s row schedule w/in their first 7 games. Even in 2013, #12 UF were paper top 25 & bottom’d out.

What’s ironic is that Rosier did put up **** good #’s to start off the season. Right now, King has accounted for 2,237 ttl yrds & 18 TDs on 63.8% compare that to Rosier accounting for 2282 ttl yrds & 19 TDs on 57.3% in 2017.

Now one thing working in favor of this 2020 team is that it’s played 1 G5 opponent, and 6 ACC opponents. Both the 2013 & ‘17 squads played 1 FCS, 1 G5 to start off, but both also played a top 15 (at the time) OOC opponent.

What’s going to set this 2020 team apart from its predecessors is how we finish. Both collapsed and that collapse carried over to the following year. Right now, it’s a bit premature to compare them to each other, b/c even though there are similarities, we just don’t know how the season will end & what domino will fall (for better or worst) the following seasons.
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If we go into Virginia Tech and win we will not lose the rest of the regular season.
 
SHA-MON! HEE-HEE! WOOOOOO!

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