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Smart moves by Diaz...

Martycane said:
-- The decision to let Borregales kick a 57-yard field goal vs Louisville
-- The onside kick vs NC State
-- Kicking a field goal in the fourth quarter inside the 10-yard line instead of going for a TD. Made the score 41-37. Trusted the D. We went ahead with a touchdown.

I don't remember those kinds of calls last year. Is he growing as a game day coach or is it a case of even a broken clock is right two times a day?
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All of this will mean nothing if doesn’t make the necessary changes on the Def side of the ball.
 
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rayray said:
this idea that it was a good decision for manny to take a FG from inside the 5 yard line down 7 points is crazy. he should have gone for it. "trusting the defense" based on what we saw in that game was far more risky than trying to score a TD from inside the 5. based on ESPN's win probability graph, that FG actually slightly *increased* NC state's chances of winning. if you "trust the defense" then you go for it because if you don't score then you're able to get the ball back at midfield w/ a 3 and out. instead we got the ball inside our own 15 and then were inside our own 10 after d'eriq's intentional grounding -- NC state flipped the field by 90 yards. again, this is bad. we had to put together a very long scoring drive to even take the lead. it worked out because our players made some amazing plays but the idea that it was some genius game management is just simply not correct. there's no statistical basis for the argument that he made the right decision -- if you think he did i encourage you to consider the idea that bad decisions can still work out. if you drive your car off of a cliff while not wearing a seatbelt but you don't die it doesn't mean you made the correct decision.

also he kicked plenty of short FGs last year -- he kicked from inside the 10 twice against UNC and GT. in a shocking development, we lost both games. getting that close to the end zone and taking FGs is typically a great way to lose games. it shouldn't be encouraged.
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The End!

 
The field goal call against NC State looks better in hindsight, but I think one could argue that it wasn’t the right call at the time. I’m not going to argue it since we won and it’s the right decision now.
 
BOLTY said:
Disagree. Taking the 3pts there was an NFL move. Going for it would have been College Football move. I like the NFL mentality at the College level.
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Agree.

Especially with garbage offensive line play and a stifled running game.

Miami couldn't afford to come out of that possession with zero points, after a would-be touchdown was called back due to the timeout.
 
rayray said:
this idea that it was a good decision for manny to take a FG from inside the 5 yard line down 7 points is crazy. he should have gone for it. "trusting the defense" based on what we saw in that game was far more risky than trying to score a TD from inside the 5. based on ESPN's win probability graph, that FG actually slightly *increased* NC state's chances of winning. if you "trust the defense" then you go for it because if you don't score then you're able to get the ball back at midfield w/ a 3 and out. instead we got the ball inside our own 15 and then were inside our own 10 after d'eriq's intentional grounding -- NC state flipped the field by 90 yards. again, this is bad. we had to put together a very long scoring drive to even take the lead. it worked out because our players made some amazing plays but the idea that it was some genius game management is just simply not correct. there's no statistical basis for the argument that he made the right decision -- if you think he did i encourage you to consider the idea that bad decisions can still work out. if you drive your car off of a cliff while not wearing a seatbelt but you don't die it doesn't mean you made the correct decision.

also he kicked plenty of short FGs last year -- he kicked from inside the 10 twice against UNC and GT. in a shocking development, we lost both games. getting that close to the end zone and taking FGs is typically a great way to lose games. it shouldn't be encouraged.
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If your playing for the win it’s the right call. Need to score twice to win, doesn’t matter if you get the FG now or later. Also big difference from the 1 and from the 6
 
rayray said:
this idea that it was a good decision for manny to take a FG from inside the 5 yard line down 7 points is crazy. he should have gone for it. "trusting the defense" based on what we saw in that game was far more risky than trying to score a TD from inside the 5. based on ESPN's win probability graph, that FG actually slightly *increased* NC state's chances of winning. if you "trust the defense" then you go for it because if you don't score then you're able to get the ball back at midfield w/ a 3 and out. instead we got the ball inside our own 15 and then were inside our own 10 after d'eriq's intentional grounding -- NC state flipped the field by 90 yards. again, this is bad. we had to put together a very long scoring drive to even take the lead. it worked out because our players made some amazing plays but the idea that it was some genius game management is just simply not correct. there's no statistical basis for the argument that he made the right decision -- if you think he did i encourage you to consider the idea that bad decisions can still work out. if you drive your car off of a cliff while not wearing a seatbelt but you don't die it doesn't mean you made the correct decision.

also he kicked plenty of short FGs last year -- he kicked from inside the 10 twice against UNC and GT. in a shocking development, we lost both games. getting that close to the end zone and taking FGs is typically a great way to lose games. it shouldn't be encouraged.
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For one, You kick that FG there because of what happened the previous 2 plays. You scored from inside the 3..then got a 5 yard penalty. From that spot of the field on 4th it severely limits what u can call to score.

second, 3 things, you take the points given the way your defense played in the 4th, the time remaining in the game and the fact your offense has proven it can move the ball on that defense throughout the entire ball game. It wasn’t a situation where you had doubts your offense could get in that position again. With the time left on the clock you know at the bare minimum you’ll get the ball again, and with the lead cut under 7, the next time I get the ball I’ll have a chance to take the lead.

Put it like this in a basketball when the clock hits 2 minutes teams understand it’s a possession game, so even if your dwn 6 or 7 that doesn’t mean u start hunting out 3s. U take the high percentage points.

Lastly, even if you make the right decision it doesn’t always mean success... just because the results aren’t successful doesn’t make it a wrong decision..good example is Pete carrol calling a pass play at the 2 yd line after Lynch got 5 yard on his previous rush. The wrong decision percentage wise was to throw a in breaking route from the 2 yd line. Even if it works. It was not the right play in that situation. Even if manny goes for it after back to back penalties, and gets a completion for a TD, that only ties the game up. U still would have to get a stop and score then likely get another stop to seal it. So the right decision is take the points and let the game play out
 
He's been making great calls like those since game one against uf. Remember the fake FG that resulted in a TD in that game? No, because it was called back on a bull**** hold on Mallory.
 
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johnnytsunami01 said:
That onside kick was a squib kick gone wrong (except right in this situation). Since NC state got a 15 yard penalty on the kickoff most teams will squib to take advantage of that. Since there is less field to cover the kicking team can reach the returners quickly so they squib it in hopes of getting them inside the 25, rather than a regular kick which would be a touchback.

If you look at the Borregales "onside kick" he is kicking it extremely hard and very much like a squib kick, nothing like the onside kicks he has done before. It just so happens that it hit one of the NC State players. But with the speed of the ball off the kick, even if it was on purpose, there was no chance that it would of worked more than 20% of the time. If they wanted to onside kick it they would of done their usual setup (in terms of speed and bounce, obviously not alignment)
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I've been waiting my whole life for someone to try this.

Blast it at the up-man and if it hits them then the kicking team has an 11-4 advantage trying to recover.

If it doesn't hit the up-man then there is still a good chance the blasted bouncing ball gets toward the end zone and mucks up the return teams blocking scheme.
 
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CorniceCane said:
Whatever Manny’s decision, that series of moves by the refs was straight bull****. To call replay after the play was run and we were in the end zone is ridiculous. I rewatched that series the next day and we get up to the line, snap the ball, runner breaks the plane and all of the sudden the back judge comes running up to stop the play. What the **** did he stop? The play was over with a result of a TD, fair and square but the ref got buzzed to take a look at the previous play’s replay? I wonder if they would have done so and given us our down back had we gotten stuffed on that 4th down. The ACC needs to censure this kind of activity or it just looks like they are trying to sway games away from us like in the old days of Thug U.
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The Old days? Whatya talking bout mang? These scumbag cheating *** ACC refs try and sway games from us on the regular. That Fat Steve Harvey looking ref is on the take fo sho.

Go Canes!!!!!!
 
I started to trust Diaz when he fired dan enos after his first year. It took alot of balls to do that most coaches would of made excuses on why hes not getting rid of a first year coach. But Diaz did what was best for the program and i respect that.
 
rayray said:
this idea that it was a good decision for manny to take a FG from inside the 5 yard line down 7 points is crazy. he should have gone for it. "trusting the defense" based on what we saw in that game was far more risky than trying to score a TD from inside the 5. based on ESPN's win probability graph, that FG actually slightly *increased* NC state's chances of winning. if you "trust the defense" then you go for it because if you don't score then you're able to get the ball back at midfield w/ a 3 and out. instead we got the ball inside our own 15 and then were inside our own 10 after d'eriq's intentional grounding -- NC state flipped the field by 90 yards. again, this is bad. we had to put together a very long scoring drive to even take the lead. it worked out because our players made some amazing plays but the idea that it was some genius game management is just simply not correct. there's no statistical basis for the argument that he made the right decision -- if you think he did i encourage you to consider the idea that bad decisions can still work out. if you drive your car off of a cliff while not wearing a seatbelt but you don't die it doesn't mean you made the correct decision.

also he kicked plenty of short FGs last year -- he kicked from inside the 10 twice against UNC and GT. in a shocking development, we lost both games. getting that close to the end zone and taking FGs is typically a great way to lose games. it shouldn't be encouraged.
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Busting ya chops and good call by you!
 
Bird4um said:
We did an onside kick? That accidently hit the player and bounced back to us.
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I honestly feel like that may have been a designed onside kick. I think dude was aiming for that cat when he kicked it and thankfully, it worked. Worst case scenario, he misses the guy and it's a squib kick. Which is the right call considering the field position we had. I believe we will see that play again. Hopefully with the same results. If 30 is able to control that ball and put it where he wants, that's a nice weapon to have in your toolbox when you can bounce a kick off a defender. 30 might be that talented. Think dodgeball for kickers.

Go Canes!!!!
 
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Turnoverchaincane said:
I honestly feel like that may have been a designed onside kick. I think dude was aiming for that cat when he kicked it and thankfully, it worked. Worst case scenario, he misses the guy and it's a squib kick. Which is the right call considering the field position we had. I believe we will see that play again. Hopefully with the same results. If 30 is able to control that ball and put it where he wants, that's a nice weapon to have in your toolbox when you can bounce a kick off a defender. 30 might be that talented. Think dodgeball for kickers.

Go Canes!!!!
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I'll buy squib kick it.... If we hit the guy then we are lucky.... I won't buy hit the guy and if we miss its a squib
 
Kicking the fg was the right move , you know why ? It worked. Manny trusted the d and that’s a win for him.

Now if we don’t get the ball back I’d be the first in here to call him an idiot. There’s no guarantees you get the ball back or get that deep into their field position again. But it worked so i tip my cap.
 
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