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Canezum5 said:
@Page305 as many 4 star JAGS and busts we've witnessed as Cane fans it actually means something when you can call out one of them being a good at the collegiate level. Half these guys were eating Pope's meet only for him to stink it up.

Now it's "oh you called a 4 star being good"

Boy stfu
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who gives a shi*? I want to know how the ol /de’s performed. it’s been a consensus on here that our wr class we signed was elite. I haven’t seen anyone doubting the new wr‘s talent.
 
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Umbra said:
I think more people agree with you on this than you think. Very possible you are right about this season too, especially with your credentials.
I think people are really just disagreeing with you that we should judge and make assumptions about the 2021 team (regardless of the past trends) based on what we know so far about THIS team.

The argument is really about if we should start a season optimistically and be disappointed or with low expectations and be pleasantly surprised. No one will change their opinion on that via CIS discussions. By 9/12 you may have a lot more people agreeing with you, but obviously you trying to get people to be realistic and killing their optimism isn't going to be received well here lol.
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Fair enough.

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Umbra said:
Pretty much agree across the board.

Had the exact same thoughts at DE and DT.

Would love to be wrong on the LBs, but I just see Quarterman and Pinck in a better light than a lot of people I guess. To me, what we have just seems a bit weaker compared to what we had.

CB I agree fully. I was also thinking about bolden compared to JJ. I'm high on dudes like JW and Kinchens as compared to what we had, but it is a wash on safety.

I think our offense is just that much better which is why I think the Defense seems worse. But I think going against our better O will improve the D too.
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My nod to this years second level is based more on the idea of McCloud/Mike Smith role in that defense. I think McCloud and Pinck H2H with Frierson and K Smith is not clear cut one way or the other. In fact, if Smith can generate just as many splashy plays as Pinck while being more consistent it's a far better duo. Flagg is not at Quarterman level but how close can he get is the question.

I didn't mention the young bucks cause you really can't judge them but the coaches have been pretty accurate in the past when they've told us guys are showing elite traits in practice. They were all over Garvin, Rousseau, Phillips, and a few others. We have heard some noise about elite traits yet again this year. Let's hope we see it on Saturdays. It's a big deal to have the luxury of some kids that aren't penciled into the two deep right now making game changing plays throughout the season.
 
I’m kind of perplexed that this is such a big deal to people, on both sides, because it’s just what mannys D gambles on.

The other side of the disruption up front/no big plays out back defense is that when it can’t get teams behind the chains it gets really hot under the hood, really fast. Over the course of an entire game that’s lethal, and everybody knows it. I mean don’t we all know this?

This is like re-litigating the entire philosophy because of scrimmage stats. I don't need the scrimmage stats to know where this defense struggles, because I’ve watched it for five years. The stats are irrelevant, because even if they shut King down I know where they’ll be weak. We all know where they’ll be weak, unless something changes (the scale of which has inherent limitations).

My hope (*hope*) is that our CB play and approach is to be much tighter and aggressive, cutting off some of those lanes and having an answer for the short to intermediate game that they know is coming. Breaking up a pass just once a series could swing a game’s outcome by multiple scores.

But I don’t know very much about football, honestly.
 
Coach Macho said:
Yall MF'ers act as if these numbers are an anomaly and we haven't seen QB's look good against our defense before.
As if what I'm saying isn't a legitimate concern.
Like we've never allowed opposing QB's to have career days. Like we've never allowed a QB to start a game 14-14 passing before.
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I coach against 5 D1 level skill kids every day and our QB doesn't even go 12-16 during 7-on-7 period, nevermind 11-on-11.
You're not stopping much of anything if a QB is going 12-16. You gotta figure at least 2 of those throws are inaccurate, on a good day. Also consider possible drops. So out of those 4 incompletions your defense forced maybe 2 of them?


This happens EVERY TIME our offense scrimmages our defense.
Not ONE TIME has a QB had a bad day. We also allow our WR's to go 7 for 137, 9 for 144, etc etc etc.


"iT's StAtS fRoM oNe FrEaKiN' sCrImMaGe!"

No man, there's a large case study of this ****.
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Is your QB a power five level QB?
 
Coach Macho said:
I don't even know where to start with this nonsense.

What part of the defensive "script" involves allowing QB's to throw 12-16 EVERY scrimmage?
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Context (Folks may also refer to these facts as "Excuses")

Spring
- new coaches on defense, same coaches on offense.
- Spring was missing Nesta, Brooks, Blades, no JW or LT, Blissett, DeAndre, and featured tons of newness in depth on D (Rique, McCloud, Avantae, EEs)


- Coaches care less about numbers than we do and more about technique and approach (winning coaches at least)
- This was the defenses first scrimmage versus arguably the 3rd best Quarterback in the country.
- The back up QBs struggled more than they did it spring
- Defense is still retraining out of Blakes defense
- the offense is perfecting in year 2 under Lashlee
- Defense is doing WAY more evaluating than the offense with only Bubba and Nesta locked in at starter

None of this is excusing a poor performance by the defense. Its highlighting how far the offense has come in a year and a half with consistency and how much the defense needs to do in order to capture that.
 
Manny Diaz’s defenses is going to get exposed again big time if it continues to show the same obvious holes in it’s scheme. Giving up the underneath putting our players at a disadvantage schematically will have us looking no different than we looked against UNC and Clemson. The awkward way the striker and linebackers line up before the snap shows offenses where the weaknesses are in the defense soon as they line up. Magnifying player weaknesses instead of their strengths.
 
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Gables Cane said:
Anybody who vehemently disagrees with Macho or uses an isolated scrimmage as a reason why we play soft coverages, just hasn't been paying attention. We have a long history of making mediocre QBs look like the second coming of Joe Burrow (senior season).

When CMR was here we blamed it on the officiating for not calling holding and preventing our DL from sacking the QB. While there was truth to this argument, our CBs gave up everything underneath. Then Manny got promoted and we blamed it on how Baker was executing Manny's defense.

The truth is that we live and die with our front 7 and rely on disruption and pressure to create negative plays, turnovers and get our offense back on the field. If, however, we are unable to pressure the QB because of either subpar DL play or the opponent utilizes a quick passing game, then we get nickeled and dimed to death by QBs. This allows average QBs to gain confidence and punch above their weight.

Hopefully, we play more man-to-man and take away the underneath stuff. I can live with the occasional deep ball, but death by a 1,000 cuts drives me mad.
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Opposing completions percentages in Blake Bakers first season calling plays and all of a sudden we can't play the pass?

2016: 58%
2017: 57%
2018: 53%
2019: 54%
2020: 63%
 
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Coach Macho said:
So all of their QB, RB and WR's stats were obtained versus our back-ups?
Is that what you're telling me?

Tutu Atwell had himself a day because our back-ups were in?
Orrrrrr because our coaches asked Bubba Bolden to play man coverage on him all game and made no effort to take their most explosive player out of the game?

There were huge running lanes for UL's RB because the back-ups were in?

Were the back-ups also in versus FIU when their RB had a day?
Were the back-ups in when we allowed the QB from South Dakota A&M to start 14/16 passing?
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Tutu was 3/21 with a drop in the first and 6/66 with a score through 3 before the back ups came in. Yes, the back ups helped his "big day" in a "big way".
 
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I'm hopeful Bob Shoops adds a lot of value. He has coached and been successful in the Big Ten and the SEC. All coaches bounce around a lot, but for the most part he has done very well. He certainly knows schemes and isn't afraid to speak his mind. **** he got sued by Penn State when he left/got forced out to go to Tennessee.
 
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