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SayWhat said:
I do agree mostly, but I also don't mind it. It's like a school of hard knocks. You either learn it where you are or hit the road finding out the grass isn't always greener elsewhere. Some will even outright play their hand in the portal right out of the sport.

It's an option though and I like options. The portal is just a more visible way of shopping themselves. It's much the same as before, your intent is to transfer. Kind of like a phone book where you can see who's available.

Still, kids gotta work. My kids will **** me off with games in particular if they can't figure out a problem, they youtube a walk through. Search, use your brain, solve the problem, etc. Here Dad, help me beat this. No, you do it. Find a way that works.

Kids always looking for the easy route. It's a battle every day. There are no shortcuts that pay big dividends. Bust your *** and you'll make it. If not, maybe just get your degree. Got that, okay, go give it a while elsewhere.

Seeing Freshman and Sophomores transfer out, I just shake my head. **** is getting ridiculous.
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So you're mad that instead of wasting hours looking a solution, kids today will actually use the resources at their disposal to solve said problem? What?

It's not "Taking the easy route" if you use the resources available in order to reach a solution. Kids today have realized that while hard work is important, leveraging your resources is even more important. There's a reason why kids today aren't sitting around hoping that employers are going to magically pay them what they are worth and are willing to leave at the drop of a dime. Conditional loyalty should be reserved for everyone not immediate family. Older people love to preach about loyalty, but when push comes to shove, most institutions aren't loyal themselves.. A lot of these coaches will turn their back on a kid as soon as he gets seriously hurt or is unable to play. Why should a kid sit around and wait until they are needed by a coach, when they can compete somewhere else and have a chance to play?
 
Zombie-Cane said:
Does it though? Didn’t Bama sign two top guys via the portal last offseason?
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They used it to fill in gaps. That's what most top end programs do. That said, the guys that weren't going to play there, entered the portal and some of them will find success somewhere else. When you have logjams at positions, and a solid, but unspectacular guy isn't going to play, that is the perfect candidate for a transfer. You may not be good enough to start at Alabama, but you will find success somewhere else. Look at Rambo here. He struggled to get targets at OU, and wanted a chance of pace. He's at Miami and he is by far the best receiver on the roster. Yes, some guys will transfer and not work out, but that option should be there for those that want to take advantage.
 
Canedude08 said:
So you're mad that instead of wasting hours looking a solution, kids today will actually use the resources at their disposal to solve said problem? What?

It's not "Taking the easy route" if you use the resources available in order to reach a solution. Kids today have realized that while hard work is important, leveraging your resources is even more important. There's a reason why kids today aren't sitting around hoping that employers are going to magically pay them what they are worth and are willing to leave at the drop of a dime. Conditional loyalty should be reserved for everyone not immediate family. Older people love to preach about loyalty, but when push comes to shove, most institutions aren't loyal themselves.. A lot of these coaches will turn their back on a kid as soon as he gets seriously hurt or is unable to play. Why should a kid sit around and wait until they are needed by a coach, when they can compete somewhere else and have a chance to play?
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Resources to solve a problem? Usually the problem is the player, they just aren't good enough.

So they start looking around and instead of trying to get better they're willing to drop down to another school (I say down, very few move up to a better school), if any at all. That's a distraction. As for getting hurt, if you're good and get healthy, you'll play. Waiting around for a coach? What's that? You go out there and show that there's no reason you shouldn't play. If you aren't there's likely a good reason because guess what, coaches want the best players on the field as their job depends on them winning.

Fans get confused about this all the time. They aren't there daily. They don't see what someone is asked to do and someone can't do yet. They don't see the work ethics, attitude of a player, or anything. They don't know if someone missed practice, mandatory study halls, team meetings, or whatever. Again, coaches want to win, their livelihood depends on it.

Some just want to play some more I'm sure. Maybe though they should focus on being the best player they can be, get the plays the can, and think of life after football. Every great team has players who won't log serious minutes, that doesn't mean those players aren't valuable.

Same thing with employment. Show your value, ask to be compensated accordingly, and if your employer can't match some other opportunity, part ways. A good employer will be sad to lose you, but happy you've got a great opportunity to better your life even if they can't match it.

Most people I deal with feel they're underpaid. This generation though is a different level. They feel slighted at the drop of a hat. The world doesn't owe then **** and few realize that. You've gotta work, not many want to.
 
SayWhat said:
Resources to solve a problem? Usually the problem is the player, they just aren't good enough.

So they start looking around and instead of trying to get better they're willing to drop down to another school (I say down, very few move up to a better school), if any at all. That's a distraction. As for getting hurt, if you're good and get healthy, you'll play. Waiting around for a coach? What's that? You go out there and show that there's no reason you shouldn't play. If you aren't there's likely a good reason because guess what, coaches want the best players on the field as their job depends on them winning.

Fans get confused about this all the time. They aren't there daily. They don't see what someone is asked to do and someone can't do yet. They don't see the work ethics, attitude of a player, or anything. They don't know if someone missed practice, mandatory study halls, team meetings, or whatever. Again, coaches want to win, their livelihood depends on it.

Some just want to play some more I'm sure. Maybe though they should focus on being the best player they can be, get the plays the can, and think of life after football. Every great team has players who won't log serious minutes, that doesn't mean those players aren't valuable.

Same thing with employment. Show your value, ask to be compensated accordingly, and if your employer can't match some other opportunity, part ways. A good employer will be sad to lose you, but happy you've got a great opportunity to better your life even if they can't match it.

Most people I deal with feel they're underpaid. This generation though is a different level. They feel slighted at the drop of a hat. The world doesn't owe then **** and few realize that. You've gotta work, not many want to.
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A lot of people ARE underpaid. If there's anything one should have learned from the pandemic is that a lot of people are fed up with being treated like crap, while the fat cats have the time of their lives. We've also seen that a lot of fields will not pay, unless they get to the point in which they don't have labor available. This is why certain elements of society were pushing for unemployment benefits to end, because they want people desperate enough to take anything offered to them. People are starting to realize that being loyal to people and institutions that aren't loyal to you in any way, shape or form is sucker crap.

Kids today don't put up with the crap that previous generations did and I salute them for it. These kids view collegiate athletics and other things as business arrangements and are less likely to fall for the con that was sold to their parents and grandparents. If the arrangement isn't working, they are moving on. Not putting up with garbage doesn't make you soft. Not buying into the utter lie that is the American Dream doesn't make you soft. Having standards and enforcing them doesn't make you soft or entitled. These kids are realizing that sometimes, you have to move on if something isn't working for you. That's all.
 
Canedude08 said:
A lot of people ARE underpaid. If there's anything one should have learned from the pandemic is that a lot of people are fed up with being treated like crap, while the fat cats have the time of their lives. We've also seen that a lot of fields will not pay, unless they get to the point in which they don't have labor available. This is why certain elements of society were pushing for unemployment benefits to end, because they want people desperate enough to take anything offered to them. People are starting to realize that being loyal to people and institutions that aren't loyal to you in any way, shape or form is sucker crap.

Kids today don't put up with the crap that previous generations did and I salute them for it. These kids view collegiate athletics and other things as business arrangements and are less likely to fall for the con that was sold to their parents and grandparents. If the arrangement isn't working, they are moving on. Not putting up with garbage doesn't make you soft. Not buying into the utter lie that is the American Dream doesn't make you soft. Having standards and enforcing them doesn't make you soft or entitled. These kids are realizing that sometimes, you have to move on if something isn't working for you. That's all.
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Canedude08 said:
A lot of people ARE underpaid. If there's anything one should have learned from the pandemic is that a lot of people are fed up with being treated like crap, while the fat cats have the time of their lives. We've also seen that a lot of fields will not pay, unless they get to the point in which they don't have labor available. This is why certain elements of society were pushing for unemployment benefits to end, because they want people desperate enough to take anything offered to them. People are starting to realize that being loyal to people and institutions that aren't loyal to you in any way, shape or form is sucker crap.

Kids today don't put up with the crap that previous generations did and I salute them for it. These kids view collegiate athletics and other things as business arrangements and are less likely to fall for the con that was sold to their parents and grandparents. If the arrangement isn't working, they are moving on. Not putting up with garbage doesn't make you soft. Not buying into the utter lie that is the American Dream doesn't make you soft. Having standards and enforcing them doesn't make you soft or entitled. These kids are realizing that sometimes, you have to move on if something isn't working for you. That's all.
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Man, I'm not going to get into that first paragraph much, but you're out of your **** mind if you think there's any other reason besides one as to why there was a push to end unemployment benefits. It was unsustainable. Who is going to pay for all of that? You, me, every worker in this country and our children as well as grandchildren. I didn't miss a day of work, I had to work, and so did my Wife.

As for college being a business arrangement, the players get a much better deal than they would've if they never had an offer. How many will make a dime after college is over from playing football? Very few as most will go pro in something else. Most of these players would have zero shot at qualifying for their university if not for their athletic ability. They would also likely have zero chance to pay for it outright rather than being saddled with debt as they get their degree and move into the workforce.

Seems you've got an axe to grind with society. As a scholarship athlete, I didn't go pro. I got my degree with hard work in the classroom and in the field. My family could've paid for my education, but I'm grateful they didn't need to. That's money they've got to enjoy as they're retired and enjoying the last years they have.

I get it, these kids are stars in high school and have big dreams. We all do at that age, but they need to keep their eye on the prize that is the opportunity they've been given. Most are looking in the wrong place and slow to realize that sport usually ends with college if you're lucky to get there in the first place.
 
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Canedude08 said:
A lot of people ARE underpaid. If there's anything one should have learned from the pandemic is that a lot of people are fed up with being treated like crap, while the fat cats have the time of their lives. We've also seen that a lot of fields will not pay, unless they get to the point in which they don't have labor available. This is why certain elements of society were pushing for unemployment benefits to end, because they want people desperate enough to take anything offered to them. People are starting to realize that being loyal to people and institutions that aren't loyal to you in any way, shape or form is sucker crap.

Kids today don't put up with the crap that previous generations did and I salute them for it. These kids view collegiate athletics and other things as business arrangements and are less likely to fall for the con that was sold to their parents and grandparents. If the arrangement isn't working, they are moving on. Not putting up with garbage doesn't make you soft. Not buying into the utter lie that is the American Dream doesn't make you soft. Having standards and enforcing them doesn't make you soft or entitled. These kids are realizing that sometimes, you have to move on if something isn't working for you. That's all.
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no comments to any of it other than someone saying this generation just feels slighted. it will always be a disconnect from people who are 70 and people who aren't. what the pandemic made me realize is no one is loyal in terms of employment nor should anyone be. its way easier to get a pay bump going to a new company than from your own. also, work life balance has been put to a forefront as people want to live not just work till they're 65. if companies can't offer that, they'll lose more and more qualified talent. apple is going through internal strife right now and they'll lose a ton of quality devs if they don't change their internal model
 
Empirical Cane said:
He makes a strong point for the HS-side of argument.

The college player side, who wants a chance to showcase for NFL (delusional or not) would strongly disagree.

Is a happy medium to increase roster sizes with a 5player transfer portal maximum while keeping HS classes at historical sizes?
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The only issue here is what he's essentially saying is you get one shot so you better choose the school & staff you tie yourself to wisely. Unfortunately reality is there alot of politics involved in college sports & it's not as simple as just bust your *** & you'll get your shot here.
 
I think he’s saying, he would have never got the shot to be a Hurricane, if Miami recruited back then with today’s Miami recruiting philosophy.
 
DadeBaby said:
I think he’s saying, he would have never got the shot to be a Hurricane, if Miami recruited back then with today’s Miami recruiting philosophy.
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Ed was fortunate to have the best recruiting staff in UM History back in 95 onward....the combination of Curtis Johnson and Pagano was Ruthless...ESPECIALLY in Louisiana...Hence Reed and Wayne...
 
Tell some of this schools to also stop misleading kids into signing into bad situations
 
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SayWhat said:
I don't mind the portal, but the gist of what he's saying is that kids would rather hit the portal than wait to see minutes. That in turn takes a spot from a high school kid looking to secure a spot.

I'm with him on waiting to play. The vast majority of freshman and even sophomores shouldn't be college ready and need to put in work to see the field.

What are we teaching these young men? I truly believe they should sit for one year on a transfer, but the NCAA is handing out immediately eligibility like it's Halloween and the players are the trick or treaters at the door.

Now if it's your final year of eligibility, graduated, you can play right away.
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There’s also the fact a lot of these kids are misled and flat out lied too..and in many situations the coaches push kids to transfer out as well..I like giving these kids flexibility to move on. The same way coaches are moving around to better situations. We gotta stop pretending this **** amateurism
 
The NCAA needs to address the 25 player counter limit. That's the easiest way to remedy this whole thing. Yes players should be able to transfer and yes HS kids should be recruited and brought into universities and given opportunities. The 25 player limit screws the whole thing up. I don't know the perfect solution for it and their likely isnt one, but I have heard there are more players in the portal than available spots for them to go to. Give back a qualifier when a player transfers out. Give a certain number of "free" transfers to a class before you have to start counting them. Scenarios should be on the table to address it. The bandaid is off on the portal, it's not going anywhere.
 
Why are some of us critical of the player who transfers but not the coach who leaves a school for a ‘better’ job?

Mark Stoops should get out of his contract at Kentucky and come to Miami where he has an easier path to a conference title and CFP berth, but a backup player who transfers in search of more playing time is a quitter…okay…
 
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