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that you can share ? Anything stand out that we could have done different from a scheme/ gameplan perspective? Or did it simply just come down to a play here( punt block) and a play there( Beck pick)?
 
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U2Cane said:
that you can share ? Anything stand out that we could have done different from a scheme/ gameplan perspective? Or did it simply just come down to a play here( punt block) and a play there( Beck pick)?
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My unsolicited two cents: while I think Beck didn't make a bad read with Marion (it was more a bad throw), I still wonder whether Dawson or Cristobal talked to Beck about clock management before the drive started. Wouldn't it have been smart to say, "We don't want to score too quickly and give Mendoza 45 seconds to get into field goal range. Let's try to get it in the end zone with 20 seconds or less" ?

Even if Beck hits Marion for the TD, it's a 1 pt game giving the Heisman winner a full 43 seconds to go just 40 yards for a 52 yard field goal attempt. I don't know if Indy had any TOs left either so it might have been even worse for us.

As much as it pains me to say it, I think even if Miami scores the TD there, Indiana would have been able to kick a game winning FG with time expiring. Mendoza would have been trying to pick up 15-20 yards with his first throw on the subsequent drive, and the refs wouldn't hesitate to call DPI on Miami even if it was ticky tack. Would give Indiana free yardage and stop the clock. Good clock management is the UM offense driving down the field and getting into the redzone with 25-30 seconds. Still opportunities to pick up 1st downs and temporarily stop the clock, spike the ball, or get out of bounds. And if they stop Miami on a 4th and goal, then credit to them. If that gets communicated to Beck, maybe he doesn't go for all the marbles when he did.

I just don't think Miami was looking at the big picture there and what was needed to give us the best chance to win.
 
Handsome Squidbum said:
My unsolicited two cents: while I think Beck didn't make a bad read with Marion (it was more a bad throw), I still wonder whether Dawson or Cristobal talked to Beck about clock management before the drive started. Wouldn't it have been smart to say, "We don't want to score too quickly and give Mendoza 45 seconds to get into field goal range. Let's try to get it in the end zone with 20 seconds or less" ?

Even if Beck hits Marion for the TD, it's a 1 pt game giving the Heisman winner a full 43 seconds to go just 40 yards for a 52 yard field goal attempt. I don't know if Indy had any TOs left either so it might have been even worse for us.

As much as it pains me to say it, I think even if Miami scores the TD there, Indiana would have been able to kick a game winning FG with time expiring. Mendoza would have been trying to pick up 15-20 yards with his first throw on the subsequent drive, and the refs wouldn't hesitate to call DPI on Miami even if it was ticky tack. Would give Indiana free yardage and stop the clock. Good clock management is the UM offense driving down the field and getting into the redzone with 25-30 seconds. Still opportunities to pick up 1st downs and temporarily stop the clock, spike the ball, or get out of bounds. And if they stop Miami on a 4th and goal, then credit to them. If that gets communicated to Beck, maybe he doesn't go for all the marbles when he did.

I just don't think Miami was looking at the big picture there and what was needed to give us the best chance to win.
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Agreed! We didn’t need that shot right then and there. Should have taken Toney coming across or hold onto the ball for another second and take off running.
 
Handsome Squidbum said:
My unsolicited two cents: while I think Beck didn't make a bad read with Marion (it was more a bad throw), I still wonder whether Dawson or Cristobal talked to Beck about clock management before the drive started. Wouldn't it have been smart to say, "We don't want to score too quickly and give Mendoza 45 seconds to get into field goal range. Let's try to get it in the end zone with 20 seconds or less" ?

Even if Beck hits Marion for the TD, it's a 1 pt game giving the Heisman winner a full 43 seconds to go just 40 yards for a 52 yard field goal attempt. I don't know if Indy had any TOs left either so it might have been even worse for us.

As much as it pains me to say it, I think even if Miami scores the TD there, Indiana would have been able to kick a game winning FG with time expiring. Mendoza would have been trying to pick up 15-20 yards with his first throw on the subsequent drive, and the refs wouldn't hesitate to call DPI on Miami even if it was ticky tack. Would give Indiana free yardage and stop the clock. Good clock management is the UM offense driving down the field and getting into the redzone with 25-30 seconds. Still opportunities to pick up 1st downs and temporarily stop the clock, spike the ball, or get out of bounds. And if they stop Miami on a 4th and goal, then credit to them. If that gets communicated to Beck, maybe he doesn't go for all the marbles when he did.

I just don't think Miami was looking at the big picture there and what was needed to give us the best chance to win.
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Call it what it is... just a dumb decision by Beck
at that time in the game!! One would expect better game awareness and leadership from 6 year veteran QB ...
 
Although a better throw would have been a TD (he was open), it was a bad decision by Beck in the biggest moment of his career. No two ways about it. Not only in regards to clock management, but knowing that a mistake there could easily result in an INT like we saw happen. He just can't make that throw with everything on the line. But at the end of the day, it is what it is. I've seen pros make equally bad or worse mistakes in big moments. It was an amazing, unforgettable season, regardless of how it ended.
 
Handsome Squidbum said:
My unsolicited two cents: while I think Beck didn't make a bad read with Marion (it was more a bad throw), I still wonder whether Dawson or Cristobal talked to Beck about clock management before the drive started. Wouldn't it have been smart to say, "We don't want to score too quickly and give Mendoza 45 seconds to get into field goal range. Let's try to get it in the end zone with 20 seconds or less" ?

Even if Beck hits Marion for the TD, it's a 1 pt game giving the Heisman winner a full 43 seconds to go just 40 yards for a 52 yard field goal attempt. I don't know if Indy had any TOs left either so it might have been even worse for us.

As much as it pains me to say it, I think even if Miami scores the TD there, Indiana would have been able to kick a game winning FG with time expiring. Mendoza would have been trying to pick up 15-20 yards with his first throw on the subsequent drive, and the refs wouldn't hesitate to call DPI on Miami even if it was ticky tack. Would give Indiana free yardage and stop the clock. Good clock management is the UM offense driving down the field and getting into the redzone with 25-30 seconds. Still opportunities to pick up 1st downs and temporarily stop the clock, spike the ball, or get out of bounds. And if they stop Miami on a 4th and goal, then credit to them. If that gets communicated to Beck, maybe he doesn't go for all the marbles when he did.

I just don't think Miami was looking at the big picture there and what was needed to give us the best chance to win.
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I'm sorry but that read was elementary man. He knew is was cover 2 sure that's fine and that throw can work BUT when you don't have any bodies to run a route underneath in the flat to occupy the CB you make it way to easy for him to sink he didn't even have to look down because we ran all of our routes to the other side of the field. Sucks because he was dealing that drive and the one before. It's football though sucks Marion wasn't watching to even attempt to fight for the ball
 
caneworld said:
Call it what it is... just a dumb decision by Beck
at that time in the game!! One would expect better game awareness and leadership from 6 year veteran QB ...
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This exactly! There's no way that the staff wasn't hyper aware of the situation with time and how much would be left on the clock for Mendoza if and when we scored. Attempting that pass in that situation was an absolutely egregious error in judgment by Beck and no sane OC is dialing that up in that situation with our personnel especially with no threat in the flat to hold the Safety. I'm sure that the play was designed to draw the free safety away from the receivers who were in bunch formation particularly Malachi Toney who was running an in breaking route(dig) across the middle from the opposite side of the field at about the 30 yard line. Beck could have also hit Bauman who was open on a seam route at about the 20. We had plenty of time to work our way down the field even with no Timeouts.
 
U2Cane said:
that you can share ? Anything stand out that we could have done different from a scheme/ gameplan perspective? Or did it simply just come down to a play here( punt block) and a play there( Beck pick)?
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The stuff they did to move the ball (Tempo, bouncing outside to punish inside run stunts) could have been done earlier in the game.
 
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AK_Cane said:
I'm sorry but that read was elementary man. He knew is was cover 2 sure that's fine and that throw can work BUT when you don't have any bodies to run a route underneath in the flat to occupy the CB you make it way to easy for him to sink he didn't even have to look down because we ran all of our routes to the other side of the field. Sucks because he was dealing that drive and the one before. It's football though sucks Marion wasn't watching to even attempt to fight for the ball
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Did we ever learn why Marion wasn't looking for the ball? I mean, he is wr running a route in the biggest game of his life.
 
Vizslacane said:
Did we ever learn why Marion wasn't looking for the ball? I mean, he is wr running a route in the biggest game of his life.
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He honestly probably saw he was covered up top and below and Carson wouldn't throw him the ball...
 
Handsome Squidbum said:
My unsolicited two cents: while I think Beck didn't make a bad read with Marion (it was more a bad throw), I still wonder whether Dawson or Cristobal talked to Beck about clock management before the drive started. Wouldn't it have been smart to say, "We don't want to score too quickly and give Mendoza 45 seconds to get into field goal range. Let's try to get it in the end zone with 20 seconds or less" ?

Even if Beck hits Marion for the TD, it's a 1 pt game giving the Heisman winner a full 43 seconds to go just 40 yards for a 52 yard field goal attempt. I don't know if Indy had any TOs left either so it might have been even worse for us.

As much as it pains me to say it, I think even if Miami scores the TD there, Indiana would have been able to kick a game winning FG with time expiring. Mendoza would have been trying to pick up 15-20 yards with his first throw on the subsequent drive, and the refs wouldn't hesitate to call DPI on Miami even if it was ticky tack. Would give Indiana free yardage and stop the clock. Good clock management is the UM offense driving down the field and getting into the redzone with 25-30 seconds. Still opportunities to pick up 1st downs and temporarily stop the clock, spike the ball, or get out of bounds. And if they stop Miami on a 4th and goal, then credit to them. If that gets communicated to Beck, maybe he doesn't go for all the marbles when he did.

I just don't think Miami was looking at the big picture there and what was needed to give us the best chance to win.
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I trust our speed rush package to get home. IMO, a TD there (and an XP, not a gimme) ends the game.
 
AK_Cane said:
He honestly probably saw he was covered up top and below and Carson wouldn't throw him the ball...
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I mean, that would be a terrible reason to not look at the ball. Im thinking the ball was thrown before Marion looked uo and he just didnt see it in the lights or something.
 
U2Cane said:
that you can share ? Anything stand out that we could have done different from a scheme/ gameplan perspective? Or did it simply just come down to a play here( punt block) and a play there( Beck pick)?
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Working on something now that Mensah is done. But overall, this is the happiest I’ve ever been as a Canes fan. Twenty-three years is a long time to be bad.
 
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DMoney said:
Working on something now that Mensah is done. But overall, this is the happiest I’ve ever been as a Canes fan. Twenty-three years is a long time to be bad.
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Me too. Everything is there to sustain this long-term as well. We know Mario is going to need to keep the coordinators up to snuff, but for right now, with the continuity, leadership, and roster, 2026 is going to be incredibly fun.

Nobody knows if we'll win a natty or not...there's a lot of volatility in one-game samples, which is what football games are. A bad call, an injury, a fluky bounce, etc. But I'd be beyond shocked if this isn't one of the ~5 best football teams in the country by any metric which measures such things.

We are ******* LOADED...and hungry as ****, with coordinator continuity and a favorable schedule.

Missing the playoffs would be a catastrophic failure. I can't see a world where it happens barring something incredibly unfortunate. This team is going to be so **** good, and so fun to watch on both sides of the ball.

We'll have lulls through the season where we don't play our best, every single team does, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say we're not going to have any games where we score zero points for quarters/halves like we did against teams like Syracuse and Stanford.
 
DMoney said:
Working on something now that Mensah is done. But overall, this is the happiest I’ve ever been as a Canes fan. Twenty-three years is a long time to be bad.
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Agreed. I lived thru the 18 -20 year success cycle and the 23 year drought cycle. This is a whole lot better.
 
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