SIAP: Beckham Stadium Update

[INCaneFan]

LMAO @ DCDogwhatever.

You take a soccer and football player and have them play a pickup / yard game, the soccer players will show better than the football players no question. Yes, soccer doesn't have the the physical specimens of football, but your best trained football player wouldn't last a half of soccer unless they were the goalie. Different body styles are generally required for both, just the nature of the game. Jose Altidore and most of the U.S. defenders could bulk up for football, same with plenty of other soccer players in the world.

 

[MIATL]

Add 10,000 seats. That is all we'll need. I think for most of our games, even 35,000 would be sufficient. It might actually create some artificial demand for game day since tickets would be harder to come by.

That's as dumb as it comes. That's around 20k ticket sales revenue from this last game that wouldn't be sold with a 35k stadium. Look at the yearly ticket sale averages, you'd lose out on all of that too. This is when we suck, get good and those numbers increase.

Smaller stadium equals less revenue from luxury seating and boxes. So we play our big games at our current address, financially that doesn't make sense for either party (MLS or Phins) to allow that. If we're putting money in with MLS, even dumber.

This is a pipedream. MLS doesn't want anywhere close to the 50 to 55k minimum we'd need. People can try and point to corruption in Miami-Dade or our inept leaders, but this is a bad match all around. Only a dummy wouldn't see that and all parties are a mile apart.

Are you sure you're accurate?

Is the attendance count based on the actual ticket sales, or is it based on tickets disbursed?

I always thought it was based on tickets disbursed ... And not all tickets disbursed are sold. So, without knowing the actual revenue information, attendance doesn't really matter, IMO ...

But if I'm wrong, please feel free to correct me ...

 

[DC Dog Nuts]

LMAO @ DCDogwhatever.

You take a soccer and football player and have them play a pickup / yard game, the soccer players will show better than the football players no question. Yes, soccer doesn't have the the physical specimens of football, but your best trained football player wouldn't last a half of soccer unless they were the goalie. Different body styles are generally required for both, just the nature of the game. Jose Altidore and most of the U.S. defenders could bulk up for football, same with plenty of other soccer players in the world.

Why do you soccer dorks get so defensive about your crappy little game. You dopes actually play the game at times to have a tie. It's a girls game played by drama queens who couldn't cut it in football or any other sport not named soccer. Go back to flopping whenever the wind blows.

 

[INCaneFan]

Add 10,000 seats. That is all we'll need. I think for most of our games, even 35,000 would be sufficient. It might actually create some artificial demand for game day since tickets would be harder to come by.

That's as dumb as it comes. That's around 20k ticket sales revenue from this last game that wouldn't be sold with a 35k stadium. Look at the yearly ticket sale averages, you'd lose out on all of that too. This is when we suck, get good and those numbers increase.

Smaller stadium equals less revenue from luxury seating and boxes. So we play our big games at our current address, financially that doesn't make sense for either party (MLS or Phins) to allow that. If we're putting money in with MLS, even dumber.

This is a pipedream. MLS doesn't want anywhere close to the 50 to 55k minimum we'd need. People can try and point to corruption in Miami-Dade or our inept leaders, but this is a bad match all around. Only a dummy wouldn't see that and all parties are a mile apart.

Are you sure you're accurate?

Is the attendance count based on the actual ticket sales, or is it based on tickets disbursed?

I always thought it was based on tickets disbursed ... And not all tickets disbursed are sold. So, without knowing the actual revenue information, attendance doesn't really matter, IMO ...

But if I'm wrong, please feel free to correct me ...

It's based on sales and has to be per the NCAA. I wish it was butts in seats as it used to be. That's the definition of attendance.

 

[prinmemo]

One of the most historic, if not most historic, football sites in the country, and now boys play with sticks and balls to be joined by girly boys in shorts running around being drama queens. May Joe Robbie, all Miami politicians, Donna the whale, the BOT, and The Orange Bowl Game Committee all rot in that place nobody wants to go. This entire thing is a crime. Heck, if I owned the NY Jets I would have wanted to buy the OB to keep the site of their ONLY Super Bowl victory.

Soccer is a very physical game. You're full of ****.

I am sure that is true, but have you ever been picked up off your feet and planted into the ground by a 300 lbs soccer player? Come on, girls play it, and not dressed in Victoria Secret clothing. Basketball is physical too. But in both cases we are talking tons of running with some pushing, shoving and occasional tripping. Are there high level skills required, sure. Old school book reading is physical too -- all that page turning. Okay, I am being a smart ***, but get real. There is more contact in the celebration after a TD in football than a whole game of soccer. Base ball is physical too but the collisions are not the actually object of the game, they are incidental. like soccer. Nobody talks about banning soccer, basketball, or baseball because they are too violent. Now maybe Irish Hurling and we could talk. That looks nasty.

My boys play both sports. Three things. First, soccer players run on average about 10-12 km per game. No one in football comes close to that. They also sprint quite a bit and are every bit as fast as football players. Second, they make sliding tackles trying to take the ball away, and many times that means someone taking out your knees (directly). Third, getting kicked in a soccer game causes serious damage.

The brain damage thing is all football. Now, that is just straight stupidity to feel happy about someone trying to take someone's head off.

First please check you references because until recently, the topic of concussions in soccer have historically received more attention than football.

Second, this is the US, stop with the metric system BS. how far is that in miles?

For your feeble brain, that is 6-7 miles and 11 to 13 football fields per game.

American football is definitely more physical overall, but soccer is physical as well. It's a different type of physicality.

 

[prinmemo]

LMAO @ DCDogwhatever.

You take a soccer and football player and have them play a pickup / yard game, the soccer players will show better than the football players no question. Yes, soccer doesn't have the the physical specimens of football, but your best trained football player wouldn't last a half of soccer unless they were the goalie. Different body styles are generally required for both, just the nature of the game. Jose Altidore and most of the U.S. defenders could bulk up for football, same with plenty of other soccer players in the world.

Why do you soccer dorks get so defensive about your crappy little game. You dopes actually play the game at times to have a tie. It's a girls game played by drama queens who couldn't cut it in football or any other sport not named soccer. Go back to flopping whenever the wind blows.

There are ties in football, too.

 

[INCaneFan]

LMAO @ DCDogwhatever.

You take a soccer and football player and have them play a pickup / yard game, the soccer players will show better than the football players no question. Yes, soccer doesn't have the the physical specimens of football, but your best trained football player wouldn't last a half of soccer unless they were the goalie. Different body styles are generally required for both, just the nature of the game. Jose Altidore and most of the U.S. defenders could bulk up for football, same with plenty of other soccer players in the world.

Why do you soccer dorks get so defensive about your crappy little game. You dopes actually play the game at times to have a tie. It's a girls game played by drama queens who couldn't cut it in football or any other sport not named soccer. Go back to flopping whenever the wind blows.

Crappy little game that carries a world wide appeal and revenue from professional teams dwarfs football. That's some definition of crappy you've got right there.

The rest, it's just drivel by one who is either insecure about himself or a troll, possibly both.

The NHL, they play the game for a tie often.

The NBA has people flopping all the time. Same for football as well occasionally.

Couldn't cut it in football, just like some football players couldn't cut it in another sport. Jimmy Graham, obvious first love was basketball, but he leapt at the opportunity to play professionally in something, smart man.

I played both personally, soccer being far and away the harder to refine. Granted, I couldn't have ever morphed into either side of the line, the rest I could do competently.

 

[prinmemo]

One of the most historic, if not most historic, football sites in the country, and now boys play with sticks and balls to be joined by girly boys in shorts running around being drama queens. May Joe Robbie, all Miami politicians, Donna the whale, the BOT, and The Orange Bowl Game Committee all rot in that place nobody wants to go. This entire thing is a crime. Heck, if I owned the NY Jets I would have wanted to buy the OB to keep the site of their ONLY Super Bowl victory.

Soccer is a very physical game. You're full of ****.

I am sure that is true, but have you ever been picked up off your feet and planted into the ground by a 300 lbs soccer player? Come on, girls play it, and not dressed in Victoria Secret clothing. Basketball is physical too. But in both cases we are talking tons of running with some pushing, shoving and occasional tripping. Are there high level skills required, sure. Old school book reading is physical too -- all that page turning. Okay, I am being a smart ***, but get real. There is more contact in the celebration after a TD in football than a whole game of soccer. Base ball is physical too but the collisions are not the actually object of the game, they are incidental. like soccer. Nobody talks about banning soccer, basketball, or baseball because they are too violent. Now maybe Irish Hurling and we could talk. That looks nasty.

My boys play both sports. Three things. First, soccer players run on average about 10-12 km per game. No one in football comes close to that. They also sprint quite a bit and are every bit as fast as football players. Second, they make sliding tackles trying to take the ball away, and many times that means someone taking out your knees (directly). Third, getting kicked in a soccer game causes serious damage.

The brain damage thing is all football. Now, that is just straight stupidity to feel happy about someone trying to take someone's head off.

These dopes actually think soccer is some gladiator game played by guys who are 150 pds. I see soccer players walking up and down the field all the time on tv. It's a joke when you are trying to compare athletes from football to those of soccer. Football players can play soccer, soccer players can't play football.

No way. Linemen cannot play football. WRs, RBs, CBs, and safeties can. Some TEs and LBs can as well. It's basically only the skill players in football that could play soccer. The top soccer players tend to be about 5'10 to 6'3" and 170 to 210 pounds (Messi is an exception). And they tend to be explosive runners.

 

[MIATL]

Add 10,000 seats. That is all we'll need. I think for most of our games, even 35,000 would be sufficient. It might actually create some artificial demand for game day since tickets would be harder to come by.

That's as dumb as it comes. That's around 20k ticket sales revenue from this last game that wouldn't be sold with a 35k stadium. Look at the yearly ticket sale averages, you'd lose out on all of that too. This is when we suck, get good and those numbers increase.

Smaller stadium equals less revenue from luxury seating and boxes. So we play our big games at our current address, financially that doesn't make sense for either party (MLS or Phins) to allow that. If we're putting money in with MLS, even dumber.

This is a pipedream. MLS doesn't want anywhere close to the 50 to 55k minimum we'd need. People can try and point to corruption in Miami-Dade or our inept leaders, but this is a bad match all around. Only a dummy wouldn't see that and all parties are a mile apart.

Are you sure you're accurate?

Is the attendance count based on the actual ticket sales, or is it based on tickets disbursed?

I always thought it was based on tickets disbursed ... And not all tickets disbursed are sold. So, without knowing the actual revenue information, attendance doesn't really matter, IMO ...

But if I'm wrong, please feel free to correct me ...

It's based on sales and has to be per the NCAA. I wish it was butts in seats as it used to be. That's the definition of attendance.

ATTENDANCE FIGURES
Attendance figures for official box scores and/or NCAA reports can be calculated by turnstile count,
tickets sold or estimates. NCAA championship tournament figures always are compiled by tickets sold.
Schools should make every effort to record an attendance figure on each statistical box score it
produces. For baseball and softball doubleheaders, please use one attendance figure (the higher
of the two games) and count it as one date or session. (Updated on 5/5/2015)

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/ForSIDs/Policies.pdf

Based on the above text and link, schools have significant leeway in how they count attendance. And it's not just sales ...

 

[INCaneFan]

It's obvious we haven't used turnstile for a while from any of the crowd images. I imagine somewhere that sells out all the time may or a big matchup where actual attendance records may be set. This topic has been discussed nearly every game week, it's ticket sales for us.

 

[MIATL]

It's obvious we haven't used turnstile for a while from any of the crowd images. I imagine somewhere that sells out all the time may or a big matchup where actual attendance records may be set. This topic has been discussed nearly every game week, it's ticket sales for us.

Do you have a link you can share?

Because if we really are generating revenue on our ticket sales, then we need to stop crying poverty.

Based on this, http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/Attendance/2013.pdf, we're selling more tickets than Arizona and UNC, and on par with Mississippi State. We're also reasonably close to Arkansas and Ole Miss ...

IMO, the school can't have it both ways: Can't gripe about being a small school, and having to rely on a small budget; But then trot out attendance average numbers on par with much larger schools.

If the attendance is sales ... Where is the revenue?

 

[prinmemo]

It's obvious we haven't used turnstile for a while from any of the crowd images. I imagine somewhere that sells out all the time may or a big matchup where actual attendance records may be set. This topic has been discussed nearly every game week, it's ticket sales for us.

Do you have a link you can share?

Because if we really are generating revenue on our ticket sales, then we need to stop crying poverty.

Based on this, http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/Attendance/2013.pdf, we're selling more tickets than Arizona and UNC, and on par with Mississippi State. We're also reasonably close to Arkansas and Ole Miss ...

IMO, the school can't have it both ways: Can't gripe about being a small school, and having to rely on a small budget; But then trot out attendance average numbers on par with much larger schools.

If the attendance is sales ... Where is the revenue?

Totally agree, but don't the they make as much money or more money from concession sales?

 

[supacane]

One of the most historic, if not most historic, football sites in the country, and now boys play with sticks and balls to be joined by girly boys in shorts running around being drama queens. May Joe Robbie, all Miami politicians, Donna the whale, the BOT, and The Orange Bowl Game Committee all rot in that place nobody wants to go. This entire thing is a crime. Heck, if I owned the NY Jets I would have wanted to buy the OB to keep the site of their ONLY Super Bowl victory.

Soccer is a very physical game. You're full of ****.

I am sure that is true, but have you ever been picked up off your feet and planted into the ground by a 300 lbs soccer player? Come on, girls play it, and not dressed in Victoria Secret clothing. Basketball is physical too. But in both cases we are talking tons of running with some pushing, shoving and occasional tripping. Are there high level skills required, sure. Old school book reading is physical too -- all that page turning. Okay, I am being a smart ***, but get real. There is more contact in the celebration after a TD in football than a whole game of soccer. Base ball is physical too but the collisions are not the actually object of the game, they are incidental. like soccer. Nobody talks about banning soccer, basketball, or baseball because they are too violent. Now maybe Irish Hurling and we could talk. That looks nasty.

My boys play both sports. Three things. First, soccer players run on average about 10-12 km per game. No one in football comes close to that. They also sprint quite a bit and are every bit as fast as football players. Second, they make sliding tackles trying to take the ball away, and many times that means someone taking out your knees (directly). Third, getting kicked in a soccer game causes serious damage.

The brain damage thing is all football. Now, that is just straight stupidity to feel happy about someone trying to take someone's head off.

These dopes actually think soccer is some gladiator game played by guys who are 150 pds. I see soccer players walking up and down the field all the time on tv. It's a joke when you are trying to compare athletes from football to those of soccer. Football players can play soccer, soccer players can't play football.

You're an idiot. No game in the world is or ever will be as physical as football. At the same time, if u think its only physicality that makes one set of players able to play another sport your idiocy is more pronounced than I feared.

 

[INCaneFan]

Well, there's rugby, hockey, and Australian Rules football that are on par physically.

As to the school crying poor, they've largely done just the opposite. Fans sometimes say we don't have money. Actions speak louder than words thoigh, so the truth lies somewhere in the middle. We obviously don't have the budget of large universities though and we would all agree on that.

 

[niner]

It's currently a 10 min drive to SLS.

GREAT NEWS for me!

 

[Rellyrell]

It's obvious we haven't used turnstile for a while from any of the crowd images. I imagine somewhere that sells out all the time may or a big matchup where actual attendance records may be set. This topic has been discussed nearly every game week, it's ticket sales for us.

Do you have a link you can share?

Because if we really are generating revenue on our ticket sales, then we need to stop crying poverty.

Based on this, http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/Attendance/2013.pdf, we're selling more tickets than Arizona and UNC, and on par with Mississippi State. We're also reasonably close to Arkansas and Ole Miss ...

IMO, the school can't have it both ways: Can't gripe about being a small school, and having to rely on a small budget; But then trot out attendance average numbers on par with much larger schools.

If the attendance is sales ... Where is the revenue?

Totally agree, but don't the they make as much money or more money from concession sales?

This is what I wanted to know....since we are tenants vs. partners/owners of SLS how does concession sales work? Also, while being at SLS, are we profitable, or are we losing money? I know Ross is making approx. $4m per year off of us. I'm not sure how all of this works being a tenant.

 

[The Franchise]

One of the most historic, if not most historic, football sites in the country, and now boys play with sticks and balls to be joined by girly boys in shorts running around being drama queens. May Joe Robbie, all Miami politicians, Donna the whale, the BOT, and The Orange Bowl Game Committee all rot in that place nobody wants to go. This entire thing is a crime. Heck, if I owned the NY Jets I would have wanted to buy the OB to keep the site of their ONLY Super Bowl victory.

Soccer is a very physical game. You're full of ****.

I always laugh when the 3rd world guys bust out their soccer is a tough guy sport routine.

Totally laughable. The same guys cringe when they get their hair cut. Soccer requires a lot of running, but so does being a scaredy cat.

 

[Gatorhater]

Soccer is a very physical game. You're full of ****.

I am sure that is true, but have you ever been picked up off your feet and planted into the ground by a 300 lbs soccer player? Come on, girls play it, and not dressed in Victoria Secret clothing. Basketball is physical too. But in both cases we are talking tons of running with some pushing, shoving and occasional tripping. Are there high level skills required, sure. Old school book reading is physical too -- all that page turning. Okay, I am being a smart ***, but get real. There is more contact in the celebration after a TD in football than a whole game of soccer. Base ball is physical too but the collisions are not the actually object of the game, they are incidental. like soccer. Nobody talks about banning soccer, basketball, or baseball because they are too violent. Now maybe Irish Hurling and we could talk. That looks nasty.

My boys play both sports. Three things. First, soccer players run on average about 10-12 km per game. No one in football comes close to that. They also sprint quite a bit and are every bit as fast as football players. Second, they make sliding tackles trying to take the ball away, and many times that means someone taking out your knees (directly). Third, getting kicked in a soccer game causes serious damage.

The brain damage thing is all football. Now, that is just straight stupidity to feel happy about someone trying to take someone's head off.

First please check you references because until recently, the topic of concussions in soccer have historically received more attention than football.

Second, this is the US, stop with the metric system BS. how far is that in miles?

For your feeble brain, that is 6-7 miles and 11 to 13 football fields per game.

American football is definitely more physical overall, but soccer is physical as well. It's a different type of physicality.

Okay, so then soccer then still a sissy sport compared to say, marathon racing which is what, like 25 miles? Granted that is driving distance to me. My initial point was the travesty of the figurative battleground of the OB now being the site of baseball and soccer is criminal. Race car drivers think their sport physical also, and if you ever tried hanging on to a frigging race horse at full out gallop while making it go where YOU wanted it to, I am sure you would find that physical also. But the gap between football and all those other activities makes comparisons silly. Soccer is almost all running; football is mostly brutal force being imposed by huge men upon each other by way of collisions. Well, unless Al Golden is coaching one side.

 

[M.Hendrix]

Yall really talking about kickball in here? Rock bottom, that's where we at...

 

[Gatorhater]

Keep the late Joe Robbie out of this. The man begged and pleaded with the City of Miami back in the early 80's to upgrade the 50 year old stadium then and all laughed in his face! Furthermore, Robbie could've easily bolted SFL but he chose to stay a build Robbie Stadium all directly from his pockets.

Also, UM is highly culpable in all this. They strong armed the city with their demands and wanted to put very little to no money in the refurbishing of the OB.

One of the most historic, if not most historic, football sites in the country, and now boys play with sticks and balls to be joined by girly boys in shorts running around being drama queens. May Joe Robbie, all Miami politicians, Donna the whale, the BOT, and The Orange Bowl Game Committee all rot in that place nobody wants to go. This entire thing is a crime. Heck, if I owned the NY Jets I would have wanted to buy the OB to keep the site of their ONLY Super Bowl victory.

I new the man, may he rest in peace, and we should never speak ill of the dead. But, there was a lot of pride involved in all this. Yes he, unlike most greedy owners, actually paid for his stadium. Still, keep in mind a lot less money would have upgraded the OB. There is more to that whole story but I do not want to speak ill of Robbie and I surely do not want to defend the morons who have always run the city of Miami. Suffice to say that Joe got his revenge on the city. They deserved it but having been in the Bowl for some much history, it is horrible that some art dealer pretends to play baseball there.