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Let me have some of what you're smoking. Shaq isn't even top 10-15 at his position. You're really kidding yourself if you think he strikes fear into QB's or RB's anywhere.
 
Im surpised the fans didnt commit suicide when someone put the chain on, would not want to see highlights of it either must be cringe worthy.
 
Hurricane Warrior said:
As bad as NoD's scheme was it was designed for LBs to eat.

Denzel made a lot of highlight plays but Shaq is the more consistent player. I would personally take Shaq over Denzel if I had to chose one. I also think Shaq will have a better NFL career.

They both started as true freshmen but Shaq started every game in his first 2 years without any injuries and put up better numbers in years 1 and 2.
Denzel blew up statistically in his 3rd and 4th years with over 100 tackles each year. Shaq is in his 3rd year and our defense is top 5. Although he only leads the team with 66 tackles in 10 games so far (projected 86), he has more TFL (11-5), Sacks (5-1.5) and FR (1-0). They are tied with 1 FF each and no ints. Denzel had 1 more PD (3-2). Denzel had some highlight hits but Shaq is slouch either when it come to hitting.

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I agree that his defense is “designed” for LB’s to eat but that’s just not how it ever worked out. Denzel was not as durable as Shaq but he definitely shined brighter and made more game changing plays than Shaq has made so far. I personally would take the less durable but more impactful player over the consistent solid player and I believe the NFL will show that they do too. Shaq will have to show that he excel’s at something whether it’s making big hits or reading plays etc in order to make it at the next level, as of right now he is kinda a jack of all trades, master of none. Also Denzel was a beast on special teams his freshman year too...(this is not an attempt to hate on Shaq, glad he’s here, I just don’t view him as a star etc.)
 
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umhurricane2511 said:
First off, have always loved his mentality. He isn't going to go down as one of the greats, but he's a wonderful ambassador for our program.

However, I'm not gonna lie. I felt kind of bad for him when he put on the Turnover Chain and stood up on the bench at GT and started pumping his arms?

Like, "bruh..."
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Yup, he got the heart
 
KrazyCane said:
No he wasn’t clown, DP and Shaq are on the same level

Edit: and all the other clowns on this board that disagree can sick my duck.
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You also though Shaq is better than Devin Bush and would get drafted higher than him so no one should take you LB evaluations seriously.
 
Trescerocinco said:
Shaq is a good kid love his heart and passion but let’s be honest he is slighty above average at best. Slow in space not a fast twitch guy doesn’t run side line to sideline and seems be out position or missing tackles far to often. I’m excited to see our scheme with some better athletes at LB
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Its not just about athletes... if it was McCloud would be the best of the 3. Will have to disagree with you here, Shaq is not fast or flashy but he does not miss too many assignments and is a very solid starter. Don't forget that he's been the starter since he was a true freshmen. I don't think he gets as many opportunities to make the big plays in this defense as the DLine get a ton of big play along with Pink. Denzel did not have as much talent around him and was always making solo tackles 5 or 6 yards down field. The current defense is much better and swarms to the ball so Shaq does not need to clean up as much all by himself.
 
Hurricane Warrior said:
Its not just about athletes... if it was McCloud would be the best of the 3. Will have to disagree with you here, Shaq is not fast or flashy but he does not miss too many assignments and is a very solid starter. Don't forget that he's been the starter since he was a true freshmen. I don't think he gets as many opportunities to make the big plays in this defense as the DLine get a ton of big play along with Pink. Denzel did not have as much talent around him and was always making solo tackles 5 or 6 yards down field. The current defense is much better and swarms to the ball so Shaq does not need to clean up as much all by himself.
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I understand your points however I think is pretty much a fact that Shaq is not really a top nfl prospect due to athletic limitations. What you call flashy is the kind of dynamic attributes that he just lacks as a player. Guaranteed he will never make a pro bowl in his nfl career much less even be a cemented starter.
 
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I think we all can agree that both Perryman and Shaq are athletically challenged. Schemes and talent, like Warrior said, make it difficult to gauge Shaq's talent. I still would give DP the nod since he had better instincts.

All this does is make me thing about what could have been. We had glimpses of talent with Figeuroa, Eddie Johnson, and Gionni Paul in the span of 3 years and none of them could put it together here :cautious:
 
JackOAT said:
I understood your point I just don't think you understood mine. Saying that I ranked a guy over the other purely because of stats is a straw man. I watched Perryman play. I remember this board ****ting all over him unnecessarily too. The reason why I brought the stats is because its data and the data shows that with 11 less games Shaq has made as many or more impact plays than Perryman. To say one is on an entirely different level is likely not the case. People are emotional because things are bad now and they are elevating the last impact backer we had. I think the reality is that both are a lot closer to each other than they are to the greats. That was my point.
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With the amount of stunting and blitzing Diaz does compared to NoD's wefense, its obvious why Shaq has the better stats. But look at the tape, DP was way more of an impact player.
 
We forced a turnover against GT? I walked out of the stadium in the 2nd quarter.
 
Corch Enamelstain said:
With the amount of stunting and blitzing Diaz does compared to NoD's wefense, its obvious why Shaq has the better stats. But look at the tape, DP was way more of an impact player.
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How? We track impact plays. They are in the box score and with one less WHOLE season under his belt Shaq has more.

What that means is that you're probably overrating what Perryman did here.
 
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