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mossmadness said:
But those aren’t the two traits we should be prioritizing at the WR coach spot. Those are after signing skills.

It’s acquisition that should be the number one trait. I’ll worry about how just how great our WR can “develop” our 5* WRs after he’s able to sign them. But I want them signed first.

Recruiting ability above all else. Hankerson would be by far the biggest unknown in that regard compared to almost any WR coach we could conceivably hire.
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And if Gattis hadn't been such a toxic *******, Mario would have signed more WR recruits ALL BY HIMSELF.

So it's not a case of "gosh, if we would have had a better WR coach to recruit WRs", it's more like "****, if we hadn't had such a disastrous OC/WR we would have signed more".

And THAT is why hiring a WR super-recruiter is more of a "want" than a "need".

****, we are going to get 2 good WRs in the Portal just because of who we've hired (and fired) ALONE.
 
A friend and fellow Cane fan did some analysis of Dawson over the last 2 years compared to the rest of college football by looking at scoring, run and pass efficiency, turnovers, YPP, etc... He said he didn't go beyond 2 years because of all of the staff shakeup and covid year really makes it more inconsistent and a lot more work to do it on a coordinator basis... Anyway.. over the last 2 years Houston's offense was:
11th in scoring - Right with Utah, UTSA, and SMU
62nd best rushing (Miami is 117th in the same time frame) - Houston was in the 40s in 2022 and averaged over 4 YPC in both years. Miami was 3.3 in both years.
16th best passing - adjusts down to 14th when you remove 2 service academies who appear to be very good passing teams due to large Yards per attempt numbers
20th in 3rd down
37th in turnovers

His overall assessment has them as the 15th best offense over the last 2 years combined. Right behind/nearly equal to UNC over the same period.

To give an idea of what it could be.. lets just say everything remains consistent at Miami but we are able to improve the yards per carry to 5.0 (top 20 - at a Tennessee, TCU, Arkansas, Ole Miss level) the offense would have ranked 12th in the country over the 2 year period

Playoff teams over the 2 years are ranked:
1 (OSU), 2 (Georgia), 3 (Alabama), 4 (Michigan), 22 (TCU), and 46 (Cincinnati)

For comparison... Tennessee wraps up the top 5. FSU is 27th. SMU is 21 (covering Dykes/Riley and Lashlee). Utah is 8, UCLA is 10. Texas is 18. Good company.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
And if Gattis hadn't been such a toxic *******, Mario would have signed more WR recruits ALL BY HIMSELF.

So it's not a case of "gosh, if we would have had a better WR coach to recruit WRs", it's more like "****, if we hadn't had such a disastrous OC/WR we would have signed more".

And THAT is why hiring a WR super-recruiter is more of a "want" than a "need".

****, we are going to get 2 good WRs in the Portal just because of who we've hired (and fired) ALONE.
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Why must you be so profane and vulgar, my dearest friend?

A man who cannot get his point across without swearing is hardly a man at all.
 
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JayCane20 said:
A friend and fellow Cane fan did some analysis of Dawson over the last 2 years compared to the rest of college football by looking at scoring, run and pass efficiency, turnovers, YPP, etc... He said he didn't go beyond 2 years because of all of the staff shakeup and covid year really makes it more inconsistent and a lot more work to do it on a coordinator basis... Anyway.. over the last 2 years Houston's offense was:
11th in scoring - Right with Utah, UTSA, and SMU
62nd best rushing (Miami is 117th in the same time frame) - Houston was in the 40s in 2022 and averaged over 4 YPC in both years. Miami was 3.3 in both years.
16th best passing - adjusts down to 14th when you remove 2 service academies who appear to be very good passing teams due to large Yards per attempt numbers
20th in 3rd down
37th in turnovers

His overall assessment has them as the 15th best offense over the last 2 years combined. Right behind/nearly equal to UNC over the same period.

To give an idea of what it could be.. lets just say everything remains consistent at Miami but we are able to improve the yards per carry to 5.0 (top 20 - at a Tennessee, TCU, Arkansas, Ole Miss level) the offense would have ranked 12th in the country over the 2 year period

Playoff teams over the 2 years are ranked:
1 (OSU), 2 (Georgia), 3 (Alabama), 4 (Michigan), 22 (TCU), and 46 (Cincinnati)

For comparison... Tennessee wraps up the top 5. FSU is 27th. SMU is 21 (covering Dykes/Riley and Lashlee). Utah is 8, UCLA is 10. Texas is 18. Good company.
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JayCane20 said:
A friend and fellow Cane fan did some analysis of Dawson over the last 2 years compared to the rest of college football by looking at scoring, run and pass efficiency, turnovers, YPP, etc... He said he didn't go beyond 2 years because of all of the staff shakeup and covid year really makes it more inconsistent and a lot more work to do it on a coordinator basis... Anyway.. over the last 2 years Houston's offense was:
11th in scoring - Right with Utah, UTSA, and SMU
62nd best rushing (Miami is 117th in the same time frame) - Houston was in the 40s in 2022 and averaged over 4 YPC in both years. Miami was 3.3 in both years.
16th best passing - adjusts down to 14th when you remove 2 service academies who appear to be very good passing teams due to large Yards per attempt numbers
20th in 3rd down
37th in turnovers

His overall assessment has them as the 15th best offense over the last 2 years combined. Right behind/nearly equal to UNC over the same period.

To give an idea of what it could be.. lets just say everything remains consistent at Miami but we are able to improve the yards per carry to 5.0 (top 20 - at a Tennessee, TCU, Arkansas, Ole Miss level) the offense would have ranked 12th in the country over the 2 year period

Playoff teams over the 2 years are ranked:
1 (OSU), 2 (Georgia), 3 (Alabama), 4 (Michigan), 22 (TCU), and 46 (Cincinnati)

For comparison... Tennessee wraps up the top 5. FSU is 27th. SMU is 21 (covering Dykes/Riley and Lashlee). Utah is 8, UCLA is 10. Texas is 18. Good company.
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Thanks for this - so this is a very good hire then. In my eyes at least.
 
The U is back to work said:
Thanks for this - so this is a very good hire then. In my eyes at least.
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Reality is that UM would have been better in 2022 if Ponce had been the OC and Gattis never stepped foot on campus. Staff dissension = Gattis as the root cause. A lot of the player attitude on the offensive side was also due to friction with Gattis. Could have operated with 9 on field assistants instead of 10 and been significantly more productive.
 
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JustAFanHTX said:
I think you shouldn’t listen to any fan base really without diving deeper. The smarter sports people regardless of the sport are the ones who aren’t as dramatic on the internet. So when you see the masses cheering but one guy making points on why they’re wrong, usually the one guy is who you should be listening to. Most of the SMART uh football fans are ****ed off. We want Dana gone and this is just another excuse for him to fail going into spring
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I expect a lot of their fans to sound like some of ours. Ya know the ones that trashed Lashlee at every turn but then last year were talking about how much they miss him
 
JayCane20 said:
A friend and fellow Cane fan did some analysis of Dawson over the last 2 years compared to the rest of college football by looking at scoring, run and pass efficiency, turnovers, YPP, etc... He said he didn't go beyond 2 years because of all of the staff shakeup and covid year really makes it more inconsistent and a lot more work to do it on a coordinator basis... Anyway.. over the last 2 years Houston's offense was:
11th in scoring - Right with Utah, UTSA, and SMU
62nd best rushing (Miami is 117th in the same time frame) - Houston was in the 40s in 2022 and averaged over 4 YPC in both years. Miami was 3.3 in both years.
16th best passing - adjusts down to 14th when you remove 2 service academies who appear to be very good passing teams due to large Yards per attempt numbers
20th in 3rd down
37th in turnovers

His overall assessment has them as the 15th best offense over the last 2 years combined. Right behind/nearly equal to UNC over the same period.

To give an idea of what it could be.. lets just say everything remains consistent at Miami but we are able to improve the yards per carry to 5.0 (top 20 - at a Tennessee, TCU, Arkansas, Ole Miss level) the offense would have ranked 12th in the country over the 2 year period

Playoff teams over the 2 years are ranked:
1 (OSU), 2 (Georgia), 3 (Alabama), 4 (Michigan), 22 (TCU), and 46 (Cincinnati)

For comparison... Tennessee wraps up the top 5. FSU is 27th. SMU is 21 (covering Dykes/Riley and Lashlee). Utah is 8, UCLA is 10. Texas is 18. Good company.
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Thank you for this. Interesting assessment since people treat Longo like a gawd around here
 
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ghost2 said:
I paid special attention to that Auburn game. Wanted to see how Dawson's offense looked against a physical SEC defense. Overall the plays were there. The OL was pushed around and the deep ball was held in check most of the game. Some really creative and gutsy playcalling, especially in the screen and crossing routes.
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Did you just say screen? 😂

Can’t wait to see what he can do with a solid OL
 
JHallCanes said:
I expect a lot of their fans to sound like some of ours. Ya know the ones that trashed Lashlee at every turn but then last year were talking about how much they miss him
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Those were the guys that were so sure Miami would have a dominant running game if they just called different running plays. Like play calling was why the line couldn't run block and Knighton was running right into tackles. Gattis had a deep playbook full of running plays and they were actually worse than they were in 2021.
 
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DTP said:
Those were the guys that were so sure Miami would have a dominant running game if they just called different running plays. Like play calling was why the line couldn't run block and Knighton was running right into tackles. Gattis had a deep playbook full of running plays and they were actually worse than they were in 2021.
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It’s tough to have real conversations with people these days. Everything is so black and white, so over the top and hyperbolic

It’s like ugh…alright you’ve got it all figured out after one drive, got it
 
The U is back to work said:
Thanks for this - so this is a very good hire then. In my eyes at least.
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Certainly not bad when you consider that if the hire was a college guy... those ranked ahead would be run by Ryan Day, Monken, O'Brien, Harbaugh (Moore and Weiss), Heupel, Lincoln Riley, Jamey Chadwell, Ludwig, Chip Kelly, WKU (multiple OCs - moved on to Texas Tech and Wazzu), UTSA (multiple OCs moved on to Illinois and Oregon), Aaron Roderick, and Longo.

All of those are Head coaches, already moved on to other programs, or moved up to the NFL. Aaron Roderick is the only other guy and he may not be willing to move.
 
cameron97 said:
Again, it would seem that the only person on this website that didn't understand the joke was you. But hey you're right, I should work on knowing the full audience instead of catering to only the rocket scientists and professors of CanesInsight.

Did you get this one?
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