Serious Butch Davis Questions

[MIATL]

I continue to see the posts commenting that Butch is the same age as Saban and Pete Carroll, and that he's younger than Bill Snyder.

I get all of that ...

But Saban and Carroll have not been out of football for the past 5 year. And Snyder never left the KSU program, though he stopped being their head coach.

... My 1st serious question is this:

Does anyone know why Butch Davis wasn't hired to replace Coker?

Based on the attached links, Butch chose to go to UNC BEFORE we hired Shannon ...

North Carolina names Butch Davis new head coach

Defensive coordinator Shannon new Miami coach

This link also suggests Coker getting fired was known before Butch took the UNC job, as well ...

Larry Coker Fired as Miami Hurricanes' Head Coach | Fox News

Coker was fired Friday, a move that was expected for weeks and came one day after the Miami Hurricanes finished a 6-6 regular season by beating Boston College, snapping a four-game losing streak and becoming bowl-eligible.

There are plenty of potential candidates to replace Coker, including former Wisconsin coach Barry Alvarez, who is close with Miami president Donna Shalala; Rutgers coach and former Miami assistant Greg Schiano; and Tulsa coach Steve Kragthorpe.

Former Florida coach and current South Carolina boss Steve Spurrier said earlier this week that he expects to be back with the Gamecocks next fall for his third season — trying to rebuke a story that identified him as Miami's top choice for the job.

The school will hire a consultant and begin a search immediately, Dee said, adding that current Miami defensive coordinator Randy Shannon could be among those considered for the job.

The above quotes suggest Butch Davis wasn't even up for consideration to replace Coker ...

Does anybody know why, considering he clearly wanted to be back in college coaching?

And my 2nd serious question is what has changed since then to make people think Butch would/should be considered now?

 

[Klamalama]

NOT THIS SCHIT YET AGAIN, AGAIN, AGAIN!

Countless threads on this. Look one up!

 

[edge]

Shalala and Davis had differences it was reported. So much so she would not consider Butch. Now Shalala is gone.

 

[MIATL]

Shalala and Davis had differences it was reported. So much so she would not consider Butch. Now Shalala is gone.

What differences could they have had? They never overlapped at Miami together ...

I'm not looking for "urban legend" on the subject ... How could Shalala have had issues with Butch?? ... She didn't even know him.

Now, if yall want to tell me Paul Dee had issues with Butch, that might fly ...

 

[UMFarArcher]

I continue to see the posts commenting that Butch is the same age as Saban and Pete Carroll, and that he's younger than Bill Snyder.

I get all of that ...

But Saban and Carroll have not been out of football for the past 5 year. And Snyder never left the KSU program, though he stopped being their head coach.

... My 1st serious question is this:

Does anyone know why Butch Davis wasn't hired to replace Coker?

Based on the attached links, Butch chose to go to UNC BEFORE we hired Shannon ...

North Carolina names Butch Davis new head coach

Defensive coordinator Shannon new Miami coach

This link also suggests Coker getting fired was known before Butch took the UNC job, as well ...

Larry Coker Fired as Miami Hurricanes' Head Coach | Fox News

Coker was fired Friday, a move that was expected for weeks and came one day after the Miami Hurricanes finished a 6-6 regular season by beating Boston College, snapping a four-game losing streak and becoming bowl-eligible.

There are plenty of potential candidates to replace Coker, including former Wisconsin coach Barry Alvarez, who is close with Miami president Donna Shalala; Rutgers coach and former Miami assistant Greg Schiano; and Tulsa coach Steve Kragthorpe.

Former Florida coach and current South Carolina boss Steve Spurrier said earlier this week that he expects to be back with the Gamecocks next fall for his third season — trying to rebuke a story that identified him as Miami's top choice for the job.

The school will hire a consultant and begin a search immediately, Dee said, adding that current Miami defensive coordinator Randy Shannon could be among those considered for the job.

The above quotes suggest Butch Davis wasn't even up for consideration to replace Coker ...

Does anybody know why, considering he clearly wanted to be back in college coaching?

And my 2nd serious question is what has changed since then to make people think Butch would/should be considered now?

You already know the answers to these questions.

Acting like a dumba$$ is not the virtue you perceive it to be.

Come back when your pubes start to sprout.

 

[Gamineal]

Butch is home today sifting thru all the offers he has had in 5 years..

 

[nycane]

donna screwed him after oral agreeing to a contract

 

[MIATL]

donna screwed him after oral agreeing to a contract

When was this???

 

[CandyCane]

Butch was cleared in writing by the NCAA of any wrongdoing.

 

[GonzoCane]

You can serenade him with this when he's on the sidelines

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[3FW]

Can we try to be factual. Shalala was not here when Davis left and Coker was hired. The people who do not like Davis are still involved, do not know if time has healed those wounds. He was in the process of building a program at UNC in 2008 and was never leaving that job for UM.

 

[Stylie]

He's not coming.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

LMFAO! @

The school will hire a consultant and begin a search immediately, Dee said, adding that current Miami defensive coordinator Randy Shannon could be among those considered for the job.

Yeah, the same consultant we paid $50K to hire an in-house guy (Shannon), who eventually got fired...is the same consultant we paid $50K to hire the phuckin' Temple coach, who'll eventually get fired.

But OP wanna throw shade at Butch.

 

[Klamalama]

Butch is home today sifting thru all the offers he has had in 5 years..

 

[MIATL]

Not throwing shade ... Asking a legit question.

If the school was so bothered by the way he left in 2001 that they chose to hire Randy Shannon over him, what has changed in the past decade to make anyone think he's a legit option, now?

They actually allowed him to go to UNC BEFORE hiring Shannon ...

Or, did he choose to go to UNC over coming back to Miami?

... Are folks at UM still mad about 2001, or are folks mad about 2006?

LMFAO! @

The school will hire a consultant and begin a search immediately, Dee said, adding that current Miami defensive coordinator Randy Shannon could be among those considered for the job.

Yeah, the same consultant we paid $50K to hire an in-house guy (Shannon), who eventually got fired...is the same consultant we paid $50K to hire the phuckin' Temple coach, who'll eventually get fired.

But OP wanna throw shade at Butch.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

Not throwing shade ... Asking a legit question.

If the school was so bothered by the way he left in 2001 that they chose to hire Randy Shannon over him, what has changed in the past decade to make anyone think he's a legit option, now?

They actually allowed him to go to UNC BEFORE hiring Shannon ...

Or, did he choose to go to UNC over coming back to Miami?

... Are folks at UM still mad about 2001, or are folks mad about 2006?

LMFAO! @

The school will hire a consultant and begin a search immediately, Dee said, adding that current Miami defensive coordinator Randy Shannon could be among those considered for the job.

Yeah, the same consultant we paid $50K to hire an in-house guy (Shannon), who eventually got fired...is the same consultant we paid $50K to hire the phuckin' Temple coach, who'll eventually get fired.

But OP wanna throw shade at Butch.

You ever thought maybe Butch wasn't interested?
I mean, why go back to a school that tried to ***** you with a 20/80 buyout deal (advantage UM) on your last contract negotiations with em'.
Butch turned Cleveland down TWICE...in 98', and their initial inquiry in 2001. He was willing to stay at UM for less money, but UM's $h!tty buyout proposal left Him no choice. So the school has nothing to be "bothered" or "still mad" about.
IOWs, UM phucked it up, same way they phucked up paying a "consultant" $100K to hire 2 coaches that they either fired, or will eventually fire.

 

[MIATL]

Not throwing shade ... Asking a legit question.

If the school was so bothered by the way he left in 2001 that they chose to hire Randy Shannon over him, what has changed in the past decade to make anyone think he's a legit option, now?

They actually allowed him to go to UNC BEFORE hiring Shannon ...

Or, did he choose to go to UNC over coming back to Miami?

... Are folks at UM still mad about 2001, or are folks mad about 2006?

LMFAO! @

The school will hire a consultant and begin a search immediately, Dee said, adding that current Miami defensive coordinator Randy Shannon could be among those considered for the job.

Yeah, the same consultant we paid $50K to hire an in-house guy (Shannon), who eventually got fired...is the same consultant we paid $50K to hire the phuckin' Temple coach, who'll eventually get fired.

But OP wanna throw shade at Butch.

You ever thought maybe Butch wasn't interested?
I mean, why go back to a school that tried to ***** you with a 20/80 buyout deal (advantage UM) on your last contract negotiations with em'.

LOL

Especially when you have already demonstrated you will absolutely leave that school for another opportunity.

... But when you're on your last opportunity, I'm guessing that 20/80 split won't be so bad?? LOL

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

Not throwing shade ... Asking a legit question.

If the school was so bothered by the way he left in 2001 that they chose to hire Randy Shannon over him, what has changed in the past decade to make anyone think he's a legit option, now?

They actually allowed him to go to UNC BEFORE hiring Shannon ...

Or, did he choose to go to UNC over coming back to Miami?

... Are folks at UM still mad about 2001, or are folks mad about 2006?

LMFAO! @

The school will hire a consultant and begin a search immediately, Dee said, adding that current Miami defensive coordinator Randy Shannon could be among those considered for the job.

Yeah, the same consultant we paid $50K to hire an in-house guy (Shannon), who eventually got fired...is the same consultant we paid $50K to hire the phuckin' Temple coach, who'll eventually get fired.

But OP wanna throw shade at Butch.

You ever thought maybe Butch wasn't interested?
I mean, why go back to a school that tried to ***** you with a 20/80 buyout deal (advantage UM) on your last contract negotiations with em'.

Especially when you have already demonstrated you will absolutely leave that school for another opportunity.

???

Are you implying Butch was disloyal? If so, that's another one of those "Butch did UM wrong" fallacies that have been debunked. Read my post again, He turned Cleveland down TWICE, even Carmen Policy said He couldn't pry Butch from UM in 98'...FACT!

 

[3FW]

Not throwing shade ... Asking a legit question.

If the school was so bothered by the way he left in 2001 that they chose to hire Randy Shannon over him, what has changed in the past decade to make anyone think he's a legit option, now?

They actually allowed him to go to UNC BEFORE hiring Shannon ...

Or, did he choose to go to UNC over coming back to Miami?

... Are folks at UM still mad about 2001, or are folks mad about 2006?

LMFAO! @

The school will hire a consultant and begin a search immediately, Dee said, adding that current Miami defensive coordinator Randy Shannon could be among those considered for the job.

Yeah, the same consultant we paid $50K to hire an in-house guy (Shannon), who eventually got fired...is the same consultant we paid $50K to hire the phuckin' Temple coach, who'll eventually get fired.

But OP wanna throw shade at Butch.

You ever thought maybe Butch wasn't interested?
I mean, why go back to a school that tried to ***** you with a 20/80 buyout deal (advantage UM) on your last contract negotiations with em'.

LOL

Especially when you have already demonstrated you will absolutely leave that school for another opportunity.

... But when you're on your last opportunity, I'm guessing that 20/80 split won't be so bad?? LOL

Your timeline is not correct, making your questions invalid.

 

[MIATL]

How so?

Butch left the Browns at the end of 2004 ... Didn't coach again until 2007.

My timeline is asking why we didn't hire him to replace Coker.

He wanted to coach ... We had an opening ... Why wasn't he considered?

Not throwing shade ... Asking a legit question.

If the school was so bothered by the way he left in 2001 that they chose to hire Randy Shannon over him, what has changed in the past decade to make anyone think he's a legit option, now?

They actually allowed him to go to UNC BEFORE hiring Shannon ...

Or, did he choose to go to UNC over coming back to Miami?

... Are folks at UM still mad about 2001, or are folks mad about 2006?

LMFAO! @

Yeah, the same consultant we paid $50K to hire an in-house guy (Shannon), who eventually got fired...is the same consultant we paid $50K to hire the phuckin' Temple coach, who'll eventually get fired.

But OP wanna throw shade at Butch.

You ever thought maybe Butch wasn't interested?
I mean, why go back to a school that tried to ***** you with a 20/80 buyout deal (advantage UM) on your last contract negotiations with em'.

LOL

Especially when you have already demonstrated you will absolutely leave that school for another opportunity.

... But when you're on your last opportunity, I'm guessing that 20/80 split won't be so bad?? LOL

Your timeline is not correct, making your questions invalid.