Serious Butch Davis Questions

[UMFarArcher]

Three schools looking for coaches right now. Likely to be another half dozen at season end.

Blake wants to wait.

Butch may not be available.

 

[3FW]

This could move a lot quicker than anyone thinks if we don't win on Saturday. With 3 big jobs open mid season things could get a little crazy.

 

[UMFarArcher]

Let's see. Maryland. South Carolina. USC. So far.

Possibly Rutgers, VT, Virginia, Texas, USF, FIU, UNC, Illinois, Iowa, Iowa State, Oregon, Indiana, Washington State.

Going to likely be a great demand for coaches by year end, and those who get the jump, save their recruits, ease the transition, and gain early traction.

UM will be evaluating while others are hiring.

 

[roam305]

Butch is home today sifting thru all the offers he has had in 5 years..

Butch essentially is banned from college football, which is why he has zero offers. There is simply no way that he is coaching here again. This is NOT an anti Butch message, its just reality. Expecting BD to be named our next head coach is similar to believing in Santa Claus.

I agree...he is not banned BTW he just ****ed up very badly at UNC , great guy but I don't have a short memory on what he did to us on how he left and why he left

Finally a Cane fan without amnesia.

Butch in his 5th year at Miami was basically Golden in his 5th year at Miami.
0-5 vs FSU
one sub .500 year
Both dealing with the NCAA and sanctions
Both with some bad losses (VT, Syracuse, ECU twice).

The similar paths and results these two have taken is remarkable.
Yet one is getting lynched and the other is a GOD. SMH

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

Butch is home today sifting thru all the offers he has had in 5 years..

Butch essentially is banned from college football, which is why he has zero offers. There is simply no way that he is coaching here again. This is NOT an anti Butch message, its just reality. Expecting BD to be named our next head coach is similar to believing in Santa Claus.

I agree...he is not banned BTW he just ****ed up very badly at UNC , great guy but I don't have a short memory on what he did to us on how he left and why he left

Finally a Cane fan without amnesia.

Butch in his 5th year at Miami was basically Golden in his 5th year at Miami.
0-5 vs FSU
one sub .500 year
Both dealing with the NCAA and sanctions
Both with some bad losses (VT, Syracuse, ECU twice).

The similar paths and results these two have taken is remarkable.
Yet one is getting lynched and the other is a GOD. SMH

That is grossly misrepresentative to the point of being purposely ignorant.

Butch ws 0-5 against FSU teams that finished in the top 3 and are much better than the FSU teams today.

The sub .500 year was with half a roster.

Butch had 30 scholarship reductions as opposed to 9 for Golden. Golden had full classes. No such luck for Butch.

Both had bad losses.

The similarity of the paths differs immensely in severity and you are ignoring that. And Butch had won the conference twice and a bowl game and Golden not so much.

One is getting lynched for being a terrible coach playing the opposite of Miami football and refusing to make staff changes. The other one is a God because he built the greatest team of all time, played our brand of football, and is a much better coach. The ungratefulness of sour fringe fans is ridiculous.

I genuinely hope you're smarter than this.

 

[Torocane]

Butch is home today sifting thru all the offers he has had in 5 years..

Butch essentially is banned from college football, which is why he has zero offers. There is simply no way that he is coaching here again. This is NOT an anti Butch message, its just reality. Expecting BD to be named our next head coach is similar to believing in Santa Claus.

I agree...he is not banned BTW he just ****ed up very badly at UNC , great guy but I don't have a short memory on what he did to us on how he left and why he left

Finally a Cane fan without amnesia.

Butch in his 5th year at Miami was basically Golden in his 5th year at Miami.
0-5 vs FSU
one sub .500 year
Both dealing with the NCAA and sanctions
Both with some bad losses (VT, Syracuse, ECU twice).

The similar paths and results these two have taken is remarkable.
Yet one is getting lynched and the other is a GOD. SMH

"Both dealing with the NCAA and sanctions"

If you really think that what Butch dealt with and what Goldrn dealt with are the same "apples for apples"
You are insane and really need to research what Butch actually had to deal with.
While you are at it check out how many bowls Butch won in his five years compared to Al and how they compare against ranked teams.

 

[roam305]

Butch is home today sifting thru all the offers he has had in 5 years..

Butch essentially is banned from college football, which is why he has zero offers. There is simply no way that he is coaching here again. This is NOT an anti Butch message, its just reality. Expecting BD to be named our next head coach is similar to believing in Santa Claus.

I agree...he is not banned BTW he just ****ed up very badly at UNC , great guy but I don't have a short memory on what he did to us on how he left and why he left

Finally a Cane fan without amnesia.

Butch in his 5th year at Miami was basically Golden in his 5th year at Miami.
0-5 vs FSU
one sub .500 year
Both dealing with the NCAA and sanctions
Both with some bad losses (VT, Syracuse, ECU twice).

The similar paths and results these two have taken is remarkable.
Yet one is getting lynched and the other is a GOD. SMH

"Both dealing with the NCAA and sanctions"

If you really think that what Butch dealt with and what Goldrn dealt with are the same "apples for apples"
You are insane and really need to research what Butch actually had to deal with.
While you are at it check out how many bowls Butch won in his five years compared to Al and how they compare against ranked teams.

Butch also had the advantage of playing in the OB.
Miami was a couple of years removed from wining the MNC. Miami was still respected nationally as a top program.
Coaching in an era that didn't have as much parity as there is now.
Was recruiting South Florida when FAU, FIU, USF where just starting out or didn't exists. Under the radar kids like Moss, Morgan would have likely ended up scholarship offers to those schools.

As for the sanctions, Butch came in knowing what he had to deal with which makes it easier to move forward.
Golden was at the mercy of the NCAA for 3 seasons without knowing what he was dealing with.

so again, given all these factors, both Golden and Butch are in similar places year 5 into their tenure.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

I know I'm liable to get stones cast at me and threatened to get burned at the stake for even uttering this...

But I've been saying it for a while that I don't think Butch is the right choice. A lot of people on this board have selective amnesia about just how conservative he is... and his gameday coaching in general has never been great. I know he can evaluate and recruit...but for the love of God we need something more than that.

You couple that with the fact the man is 4 or 5 years away from being 70 years old I don't see him as anything more than a temporary upgrade/ stop gap.

Let's focus on getting Golden fired. Shoving Butch down the throat of an administration that already isn't very keen on football isn't going to accomplish much.

 

[UMFarArcher]

Butch essentially is banned from college football, which is why he has zero offers. There is simply no way that he is coaching here again. This is NOT an anti Butch message, its just reality. Expecting BD to be named our next head coach is similar to believing in Santa Claus.

I agree...he is not banned BTW he just ****ed up very badly at UNC , great guy but I don't have a short memory on what he did to us on how he left and why he left

Finally a Cane fan without amnesia.

Butch in his 5th year at Miami was basically Golden in his 5th year at Miami.
0-5 vs FSU
one sub .500 year
Both dealing with the NCAA and sanctions
Both with some bad losses (VT, Syracuse, ECU twice).

The similar paths and results these two have taken is remarkable.
Yet one is getting lynched and the other is a GOD. SMH

"Both dealing with the NCAA and sanctions"

If you really think that what Butch dealt with and what Goldrn dealt with are the same "apples for apples"
You are insane and really need to research what Butch actually had to deal with.
While you are at it check out how many bowls Butch won in his five years compared to Al and how they compare against ranked teams.

Butch also had the advantage of playing in the OB.
Miami was a couple of years removed from wining the MNC. Miami was still respected nationally as a top program.
Coaching in an era that didn't have as much parity as there is now.
Was recruiting South Florida when FAU, FIU, USF where just starting out or didn't exists. Under the radar kids like Moss, Morgan would have likely ended up scholarship offers to those schools.

As for the sanctions, Butch came in knowing what he had to deal with which makes it easier to move forward.
Golden was at the mercy of the NCAA for 3 seasons without knowing what he was dealing with.

so again, given all these factors, both Golden and Butch are in similar places year 5 into their tenure.

Youre out of your mind.

Miami ws NOT a couple years removed from winning the NC. Where were you when all this was happening? Remember the calls for the death penalty - for real? Remember the Sports Illustrated cover, and the article?

Coaching in that era had just as much parity back then - what an idiotic statement.

Golden hasn't YET dealt with any sanctions. We've NEVER had a full roster.

You're just another UM shill digging for more time. Your *** is as good as gone - count on it.

 

[Torocane]

Butch essentially is banned from college football, which is why he has zero offers. There is simply no way that he is coaching here again. This is NOT an anti Butch message, its just reality. Expecting BD to be named our next head coach is similar to believing in Santa Claus.

I agree...he is not banned BTW he just ****ed up very badly at UNC , great guy but I don't have a short memory on what he did to us on how he left and why he left

Finally a Cane fan without amnesia.

Butch in his 5th year at Miami was basically Golden in his 5th year at Miami.
0-5 vs FSU
one sub .500 year
Both dealing with the NCAA and sanctions
Both with some bad losses (VT, Syracuse, ECU twice).

The similar paths and results these two have taken is remarkable.
Yet one is getting lynched and the other is a GOD. SMH

"Both dealing with the NCAA and sanctions"

If you really think that what Butch dealt with and what Goldrn dealt with are the same "apples for apples"
You are insane and really need to research what Butch actually had to deal with.
While you are at it check out how many bowls Butch won in his five years compared to Al and how they compare against ranked teams.

Butch also had the advantage of playing in the OB.
Miami was a couple of years removed from wining the MNC. Miami was still respected nationally as a top program.
Coaching in an era that didn't have as much parity as there is now.
Was recruiting South Florida when FAU, FIU, USF where just starting out or didn't exists. Under the radar kids like Moss, Morgan would have likely ended up scholarship offers to those schools.

As for the sanctions, Butch came in knowing what he had to deal with which makes it easier to move forward.
Golden was at the mercy of the NCAA for 3 seasons without knowing what he was dealing with.

so again, given all these factors, both Golden and Butch are in similar places year 5 into their tenure.

One had loss of 30 scholarships. One had 9.
The cloud bs didn't stop Al from recrutiing ranked classes.
Maybe not to content for a championship but certainly good enough to not lose to the low caliber of teams (all with lower recruiting rankings)
That Al has lost during his five years here. So we are still using the cloud as the one size fits all excuse?
Didn't adress the bowl record and the record against ranked teams.
But hey you are entitled to your opinion.
Even if that opinion could only possibly come from a Golden family member.

 

[roam305]

I agree...he is not banned BTW he just ****ed up very badly at UNC , great guy but I don't have a short memory on what he did to us on how he left and why he left

Finally a Cane fan without amnesia.

Butch in his 5th year at Miami was basically Golden in his 5th year at Miami.
0-5 vs FSU
one sub .500 year
Both dealing with the NCAA and sanctions
Both with some bad losses (VT, Syracuse, ECU twice).

The similar paths and results these two have taken is remarkable.
Yet one is getting lynched and the other is a GOD. SMH

"Both dealing with the NCAA and sanctions"

If you really think that what Butch dealt with and what Goldrn dealt with are the same "apples for apples"
You are insane and really need to research what Butch actually had to deal with.
While you are at it check out how many bowls Butch won in his five years compared to Al and how they compare against ranked teams.

Butch also had the advantage of playing in the OB.
Miami was a couple of years removed from wining the MNC. Miami was still respected nationally as a top program.
Coaching in an era that didn't have as much parity as there is now.
Was recruiting South Florida when FAU, FIU, USF where just starting out or didn't exists. Under the radar kids like Moss, Morgan would have likely ended up scholarship offers to those schools.

As for the sanctions, Butch came in knowing what he had to deal with which makes it easier to move forward.
Golden was at the mercy of the NCAA for 3 seasons without knowing what he was dealing with.

so again, given all these factors, both Golden and Butch are in similar places year 5 into their tenure.

Youre out of your mind.

Miami ws NOT a couple years removed from winning the NC. Where were you when all this was happening? Remember the calls for the death penalty - for real? Remember the Sports Illustrated cover, and the article?

Coaching in that era had just as much parity back then - what an idiotic statement.

Golden hasn't YET dealt with any sanctions. We've NEVER had a full roster.

You're just another UM shill digging for more time. Your *** is as good as gone - count on it.

Yes I remember the calls for the death penalty and SI cover. Similar to the calls for the death penalty on non sport stations like MSNBC, CNN, etc airing the Shapiro story and Yahoo writing their investigative piece. Where the heck were you?
Again the similarity of these 2 is uncanny.
You clowns wanted Butch fired back then 5 years into his tenure at UM like you do Golden.
Now you want Butch back.. You really can't make this stuff up.

 

[Torocane]

Finally a Cane fan without amnesia.

Butch in his 5th year at Miami was basically Golden in his 5th year at Miami.
0-5 vs FSU
one sub .500 year
Both dealing with the NCAA and sanctions
Both with some bad losses (VT, Syracuse, ECU twice).

The similar paths and results these two have taken is remarkable.
Yet one is getting lynched and the other is a GOD. SMH

"Both dealing with the NCAA and sanctions"

If you really think that what Butch dealt with and what Goldrn dealt with are the same "apples for apples"
You are insane and really need to research what Butch actually had to deal with.
While you are at it check out how many bowls Butch won in his five years compared to Al and how they compare against ranked teams.

Butch also had the advantage of playing in the OB.
Miami was a couple of years removed from wining the MNC. Miami was still respected nationally as a top program.
Coaching in an era that didn't have as much parity as there is now.
Was recruiting South Florida when FAU, FIU, USF where just starting out or didn't exists. Under the radar kids like Moss, Morgan would have likely ended up scholarship offers to those schools.

As for the sanctions, Butch came in knowing what he had to deal with which makes it easier to move forward.
Golden was at the mercy of the NCAA for 3 seasons without knowing what he was dealing with.

so again, given all these factors, both Golden and Butch are in similar places year 5 into their tenure.

Youre out of your mind.

Miami ws NOT a couple years removed from winning the NC. Where were you when all this was happening? Remember the calls for the death penalty - for real? Remember the Sports Illustrated cover, and the article?

Coaching in that era had just as much parity back then - what an idiotic statement.

Golden hasn't YET dealt with any sanctions. We've NEVER had a full roster.

You're just another UM shill digging for more time. Your *** is as good as gone - count on it.

Yes I remember the calls for the death penalty and SI cover. Similar to the calls for the death penalty on non sport stations like MSNBC, CNN, etc airing the Shapiro story and Yahoo writing their investigative piece. Where the heck were you?
Again the similarity of these 2 is uncanny.
You clowns wanted Butch fired back then 5 years into his tenure at UM like you do Golden.
Now you want Butch back.. You really can't make this stuff up.

Ok
Let's get to the point.
Do you think Al Golden should remain the HC at UM?

 

[Rellyrell]

Butch is home today sifting thru all the offers he has had in 5 years..

Butch essentially is banned from college football, which is why he has zero offers. There is simply no way that he is coaching here again. This is NOT an anti Butch message, its just reality. Expecting BD to be named our next head coach is similar to believing in Santa Claus.

I agree...he is not banned BTW he just ****ed up very badly at UNC , great guy but I don't have a short memory on what he did to us on how he left and why he left

Finally a Cane fan without amnesia.

Butch in his 5th year at Miami was basically Golden in his 5th year at Miami.
0-5 vs FSU
one sub .500 year
Both dealing with the NCAA and sanctions
Both with some bad losses (VT, Syracuse, ECU twice).

The similar paths and results these two have taken is remarkable.
Yet one is getting lynched and the other is a GOD. SMH

Wtf r u talking about?? Do u have amnesia or selective memory? I'm giving u the opportunity to chose ur course of insanity!

Butch at yr 5- 67.8 wining pct
Golden at yr 5- 54.6 winning pct

Butch at yr 5- 2 Big East Conference Crowns
Golden at yr 5- 0 ACC titles

Butch at yr 5- total of 30 lost schollies
Golden at yr 5- total of 9 lost schollies

Butch at yr 5- 3-0 in bowl games
Golden at yr 5- 0-2 in bowl games

The only thing that's similar is that they were both 0-5 against FSU...except one was dealing w a roster of 75 (Butch)

You revisionist kill me. But I'm sure you're either Golden, Onofrio, a BOT member who hates Butch, or Kelly...therefore your lack of common sense makes perfect sense.

 

[Torocane]

Finally a Cane fan without amnesia.

Butch in his 5th year at Miami was basically Golden in his 5th year at Miami.
0-5 vs FSU
one sub .500 year
Both dealing with the NCAA and sanctions
Both with some bad losses (VT, Syracuse, ECU twice).

The similar paths and results these two have taken is remarkable.
Yet one is getting lynched and the other is a GOD. SMH

"Both dealing with the NCAA and sanctions"

If you really think that what Butch dealt with and what Goldrn dealt with are the same "apples for apples"
You are insane and really need to research what Butch actually had to deal with.
While you are at it check out how many bowls Butch won in his five years compared to Al and how they compare against ranked teams.

Butch also had the advantage of playing in the OB.
Miami was a couple of years removed from wining the MNC. Miami was still respected nationally as a top program.
Coaching in an era that didn't have as much parity as there is now.
Was recruiting South Florida when FAU, FIU, USF where just starting out or didn't exists. Under the radar kids like Moss, Morgan would have likely ended up scholarship offers to those schools.

As for the sanctions, Butch came in knowing what he had to deal with which makes it easier to move forward.
Golden was at the mercy of the NCAA for 3 seasons without knowing what he was dealing with.

so again, given all these factors, both Golden and Butch are in similar places year 5 into their tenure.

Youre out of your mind.

Miami ws NOT a couple years removed from winning the NC. Where were you when all this was happening? Remember the calls for the death penalty - for real? Remember the Sports Illustrated cover, and the article?

Coaching in that era had just as much parity back then - what an idiotic statement.

Golden hasn't YET dealt with any sanctions. We've NEVER had a full roster.

You're just another UM shill digging for more time. Your *** is as good as gone - count on it.

Yes I remember the calls for the death penalty and SI cover. Similar to the calls for the death penalty on non sport stations like MSNBC, CNN, etc airing the Shapiro story and Yahoo writing their investigative piece. Where the heck were you?
Again the similarity of these 2 is uncanny.
You clowns wanted Butch fired back then 5 years into his tenure at UM like you do Golden.
Now you want Butch back.. You really can't make this stuff up.

You do understand that in actual tangible substance Al Golden has had very little to deal when it comes to sanctions.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

You clowns wanted Butch fired back then 5 years into his tenure at UM like you do Golden.

LMFAO! @ "5 years into His tenure at UM like you do Golden."

This is Golden's 10th year coaching...STUPID!

 

[roam305]

Butch is home today sifting thru all the offers he has had in 5 years..

Butch essentially is banned from college football, which is why he has zero offers. There is simply no way that he is coaching here again. This is NOT an anti Butch message, its just reality. Expecting BD to be named our next head coach is similar to believing in Santa Claus.

I agree...he is not banned BTW he just ****ed up very badly at UNC , great guy but I don't have a short memory on what he did to us on how he left and why he left

Finally a Cane fan without amnesia.

Butch in his 5th year at Miami was basically Golden in his 5th year at Miami.
0-5 vs FSU
one sub .500 year
Both dealing with the NCAA and sanctions
Both with some bad losses (VT, Syracuse, ECU twice).

The similar paths and results these two have taken is remarkable.
Yet one is getting lynched and the other is a GOD. SMH

Wtf r u talking about?? Do u have amnesia or selective memory? I'm giving u the opportunity to chose ur course of insanity!

Butch at yr 5- 67.8 wining pct Wrong at this point 4 games into his 5th year his winning pct was 64.7
Golden at yr 5- 54.6 winning pct Wrong.. as of Today Golden's is 56.4

Butch at yr 5- 2 Big East Conference Crowns - LOL he was tied for 1st with VT winning on Tie breaker. Plus you can't compare the Big East to the ACC. Golden has to play FSU and VT every year in the ACC.. Butch didn't. His losses vs FSU didn't impact the ACC.
Golden at yr 5- 0 ACC titles - Speaking of ties in 2012 Golden tied for 1st place in the coastal.

Butch at yr 5- total of 30 lost schollies - He lost those in the front end of this tenure when he was given a pass. BY year 5 his roster was complete with talent.. The team that lost to ECU was loaded.
Golden at yr 5- total of 9 lost schollies - Golden also had to deal with the uncertainty of having to wait 3 years to learn what the punishment would be. By year 5 those 9 lost scholarship hurt more. This team with 5 more scholarship players would be a huge boon.

Butch at yr 5- 3-0 in bowl games - Wrong he was 2-0 and against average opponents UVA and NcState both 7-5).
Golden at yr 5- 0-2 in bowl games - UL and SC more better teams than UVA NCState.

The only thing that's similar is that they were both 0-5 against FSU...except one was dealing w a roster of 75 (Butch)

You revisionist kill me. But I'm sure you're either Golden, Onofrio, a BOT member who hates Butch, or Kelly...therefore your lack of common sense makes perfect sense.

The Butch Urban Legend grows

 

[Juancane]

NOT THIS SCHIT YET AGAIN, AGAIN, AGAIN!

Countless threads on this. Look one up!

don't open the thread and read then genius.

 

[roam305]

"Both dealing with the NCAA and sanctions"

If you really think that what Butch dealt with and what Goldrn dealt with are the same "apples for apples"
You are insane and really need to research what Butch actually had to deal with.
While you are at it check out how many bowls Butch won in his five years compared to Al and how they compare against ranked teams.

Butch also had the advantage of playing in the OB.
Miami was a couple of years removed from wining the MNC. Miami was still respected nationally as a top program.
Coaching in an era that didn't have as much parity as there is now.
Was recruiting South Florida when FAU, FIU, USF where just starting out or didn't exists. Under the radar kids like Moss, Morgan would have likely ended up scholarship offers to those schools.

As for the sanctions, Butch came in knowing what he had to deal with which makes it easier to move forward.
Golden was at the mercy of the NCAA for 3 seasons without knowing what he was dealing with.

so again, given all these factors, both Golden and Butch are in similar places year 5 into their tenure.

Youre out of your mind.

Miami ws NOT a couple years removed from winning the NC. Where were you when all this was happening? Remember the calls for the death penalty - for real? Remember the Sports Illustrated cover, and the article?

Coaching in that era had just as much parity back then - what an idiotic statement.

Golden hasn't YET dealt with any sanctions. We've NEVER had a full roster.

You're just another UM shill digging for more time. Your *** is as good as gone - count on it.

Yes I remember the calls for the death penalty and SI cover. Similar to the calls for the death penalty on non sport stations like MSNBC, CNN, etc airing the Shapiro story and Yahoo writing their investigative piece. Where the heck were you?
Again the similarity of these 2 is uncanny.
You clowns wanted Butch fired back then 5 years into his tenure at UM like you do Golden.
Now you want Butch back.. You really can't make this stuff up.

Ok
Let's get to the point.
Do you think Al Golden should remain the HC at UM?

If he can end the year on a strong note sort of how Butch did in 99 then yes he should be given a 6th year like Butch was.

 

[Torocane]

Butch essentially is banned from college football, which is why he has zero offers. There is simply no way that he is coaching here again. This is NOT an anti Butch message, its just reality. Expecting BD to be named our next head coach is similar to believing in Santa Claus.

I agree...he is not banned BTW he just ****ed up very badly at UNC , great guy but I don't have a short memory on what he did to us on how he left and why he left

Finally a Cane fan without amnesia.

Butch in his 5th year at Miami was basically Golden in his 5th year at Miami.
0-5 vs FSU
one sub .500 year
Both dealing with the NCAA and sanctions
Both with some bad losses (VT, Syracuse, ECU twice).

The similar paths and results these two have taken is remarkable.
Yet one is getting lynched and the other is a GOD. SMH

Wtf r u talking about?? Do u have amnesia or selective memory? I'm giving u the opportunity to chose ur course of insanity!

Butch at yr 5- 67.8 wining pct Wrong at this point 4 games into his 5th year his winning pct was 64.7
Golden at yr 5- 54.6 winning pct Wrong.. as of Today Golden's is 56.4

Butch at yr 5- 2 Big East Conference Crowns - LOL he was tied for 1st with VT winning on Tie breaker. Plus you can't compare the Big East to the ACC. Golden has to play FSU and VT every year in the ACC.. Butch didn't. His losses vs FSU didn't impact the ACC.
Golden at yr 5- 0 ACC titles - Speaking of ties in 2012 Golden tied for 1st place in the coastal.

Butch at yr 5- total of 30 lost schollies - He lost those in the front end of this tenure when he was given a pass. BY year 5 his roster was complete with talent.. The team that lost to ECU was loaded.
Golden at yr 5- total of 9 lost schollies - Golden also had to deal with the uncertainty of having to wait 3 years to learn what the punishment would be. By year 5 those 9 lost scholarship hurt more. This team with 5 more scholarship players would be a huge boon.

Butch at yr 5- 3-0 in bowl games - Wrong he has was 2-0 and against average opponents UVA and NcState both 7-5).
Golden at yr 5- 0-2 in bowl games - UL and SC more better teams than UVA NCState.

The only thing that's similar is that they were both 0-5 against FSU...except one was dealing w a roster of 75 (Butch)

You revisionist kill me. But I'm sure you're either Golden, Onofrio, a BOT member who hates Butch, or Kelly...therefore your lack of common sense makes perfect sense.

The Butch Urban Legend grows

Trolling confirmed.
By the way VT came to the ACC with us so yes Butch did play FSU and a at every year.
To some how claim that 30 actual scholarships is less punitive than having to wait two years to lose 9 is one of the dumbest things ever writen here. It's actually a very Golden like thing to say.
This team with five more players??? Well if your boy Golden didn't have the awefull attrition rate he has he would have those players.
Of coarse you put down the quality of the opponent in the bowls since the facts don't work for you.

Good luck with that and whatever relationship you have to Golden.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

***** you & yo' ECU example.

Butch's record after losing 5 straight to FSU, and UW in 2000?....39-6.
Butch's record after losing to ECU?...12-3.
Butch's record after losing to FSU in His 4th season?...6-1.
Butch's record after losing to FSU in His 5th season?...7-1.

Folden's record after losing 5 straight to FSU?...a LMAO! 6-8.
Folden's record after losing to FSU in His 4th season?...0-3.
Will Folden's record after losing to FSU in His 5th season, be like Butch's record after losing to FSU in His 5th season?...nope.