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The only real solution to this mess is for everyone involved to just admit “student athletes” are really now just an employee of the school in some fashion so they can unionize and have collective bargaining. I don’t like that this is where we are, but it’s the only real answer.

Of course no one involved wants to admit the athletes are now employees so we’ll just keep going to court every time someone doesn’t like a rule.
 
How in the f*ck did a story about the NCAA making yet another dumb arbitrary decision that negatively affected a group of student athletes eligibility gets turned into a story about "NFL Players" trying to upend the sanctity of collegiate sports? Like this is the most insane and blatant narrative switch on a story I have ever seen in sports.

We wouldn't be having this manufactured crisis put on by the NCAA, the conferences, and the media if the NCAA just did the right thing and gave the Class of '22 an extra year of eligibility right off the bat. Like how are you going to change the eligibility guidelines while these particular student athletes ARE STILL IN SCHOOL AND ON CAMPUS, and then tell them that their particular year is sh#t out of luck?

No grandfather clause, no opportunity to appeal for a fifth year, nothing. NCAA told them to go on and figure out on their own what they're going to do next. Well it's 2026 and filing a lawsuit for extra eligibility or what have you has been pretty much a sure shot to go in favor for the players, and that's what is happening now.

I guarantee you if you asked all these Class of 2022 players who were UFDAs, that are at the center of this story, that the vast majority of these players if not all of them would have wanted a fifth year of eligibility in college instead of having to go through all this nonsense.
 
one98d said:
How in the f*ck did a story about the NCAA making yet another dumb arbitrary decision that negatively affected a group of student athletes eligibility gets turned into a story about "NFL Players" trying to upend the sanctity of collegiate sports? Like this is the most insane and blatant narrative switch on a story I have ever seen in sports.

We wouldn't be having this manufactured crisis put on by the NCAA, the conferences, and the media if the NCAA just did the right thing and gave the Class of '22 an extra year of eligibility right off the bat. Like how are you going to change the eligibility guidelines while these particular student athletes ARE STILL IN SCHOOL AND ON CAMPUS, and then tell them that their particular year is sh#t out of luck?

No grandfather clause, no opportunity to appeal for a fifth year, nothing. NCAA told them to go on and figure out on their own what they're going to do next. Well it's 2026 and filing a lawsuit for extra eligibility or what have you has been pretty much a sure shot to go in favor for the players, and that's what is happening now.

I guarantee you if you asked all these Class of 2022 players who were UFDAs, that are at the center of this story, that the vast majority of these players if not all of them would have wanted a fifth year of eligibility in college instead of having to go through all this nonsense.
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When you leave college and take part in workouts, practices, etc. with NFL teams you become a pro athlete. Even if it’s just preseason. If you don’t make the NFL team, sorry.

Maybe the NCAA cut of date is arbitrary, but there has to be a cut off date. If the NCAA would say the rule begins in 2027 yiure just going to get this same argument from the class that would be affected for that year.
 
one98d said:
How in the f*ck did a story about the NCAA making yet another dumb arbitrary decision that negatively affected a group of student athletes eligibility gets turned into a story about "NFL Players" trying to upend the sanctity of collegiate sports? Like this is the most insane and blatant narrative switch on a story I have ever seen in sports.

We wouldn't be having this manufactured crisis put on by the NCAA, the conferences, and the media if the NCAA just did the right thing and gave the Class of '22 an extra year of eligibility right off the bat. Like how are you going to change the eligibility guidelines while these particular student athletes ARE STILL IN SCHOOL AND ON CAMPUS, and then tell them that their particular year is sh#t out of luck?

No grandfather clause, no opportunity to appeal for a fifth year, nothing. NCAA told them to go on and figure out on their own what they're going to do next. Well it's 2026 and filing a lawsuit for extra eligibility or what have you has been pretty much a sure shot to go in favor for the players, and that's what is happening now.

I guarantee you if you asked all these Class of 2022 players who were UFDAs, that are at the center of this story, that the vast majority of these players if not all of them would have wanted a fifth year of eligibility in college instead of having to go through all this nonsense.
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All the NC2A had to do was include the class of 2022 recruits and this latest round of lawsuits does not happen.

I am starting to think the NC2A attorneys are working with the attorneys on the other side to help them generate some billable hours. And getting a kickback in return from the plaintiff attorneys. Because nothing else makes any sense. Other than sheer incompetence.
 
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bathtubgin said:
When you leave college and take part in workouts, practices, etc. with NFL teams you become a pro athlete. Even if it’s just preseason. If you don’t make the NFL team, sorry.

Maybe the NCAA cut of date is arbitrary, but there has to be a cut off date. If the NCAA would say the rule begins in 2027 yiure just going to get this same argument from the class that would be affected for that year.
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I'm well aware of how this all works, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the NCAA making decisions of denying a small subset of college athletes an additional year of eligibility while they were literally still in college, denying them every recourse to get that additional year, and announcing the guideline changes in such a manner that any lawsuits stemming from this would cause a lot of issues going forward.

These "NFL Players" that the internet and the media is castigating and calling into question their character are literally just these Class of 2022 players who were UFDAs, had a cup of coffee with an NFL team and signed training camp contracts that payed out a fraction of what these players would have probably gotten in NIL and RevShare in a 5th year of college. They were also not afforded the ability to just skip out on trying out for the NFL as a UFDA and hope they would win their lawsuit for extra eligibility.

If the NCAA and football programs can handle roster limits when it comes to high school kids changing grades and moving up a year to get into college quicker, then they could have figured something out to give college athletes who were still college students that additional year of eligibility.
 
AtlAtty said:
All the NC2A had to do was include the class of 2022 recruits and this latest round of lawsuits does not happen.

I am starting to think the NC2A attorneys are working with the attorneys on the other side to help them generate some billable hours. And getting a kickback in return from the plaintiff attorneys. Because nothing else makes any sense. Other than sheer incompetence.
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Every substantive decision the NCAA has made since NIL (including the NIL decision itself) looks to have been done in worst way possible for the stability of the sport, and that it makes it hard not to believe that the NCAA, the college administrators, and conference commissioners are colluding to make things so bad that Congress has no other alternative, but to step in and legislate rules and guidelines for collegiate sports, so that the powers that be can get back their vice grip control over the student athletes.
 
one98d said:
I'm well aware of how this all works, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the NCAA making decisions of denying a small subset of college athletes an additional year of eligibility while they were literally still in college, denying them every recourse to get that additional year, and announcing the guideline changes in such a manner that any lawsuits stemming from this would cause a lot of issues going forward.

These "NFL Players" that the internet and the media is castigating and calling into question their character are literally just these Class of 2022 players who were UFDAs, had a cup of coffee with an NFL team and signed training camp contracts that payed out a fraction of what these players would have probably gotten in NIL and RevShare in a 5th year of college. They were also not afforded the ability to just skip out on trying out for the NFL as a UFDA and hope they would win their lawsuit for extra eligibility.

If the NCAA and football programs can handle roster limits when it comes to high school kids changing grades and moving up a year to get into college quicker, then they could have figured something out to give college athletes who were still college students that additional year of eligibility.
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A cup of coffee in the NFL still makes you a pro athlete. It’s not that difficult. Most CFB players will not make NFL rosters and it’s always been that way. That does not mean you should get to back to CFB.
 
one98d said:
Every substantive decision the NCAA has made since NIL (including the NIL decision itself) looks to have been done in worst way possible for the stability of the sport, and that it makes it hard not to believe that the NCAA, the college administrators, and conference commissioners are colluding to make things so bad that Congress has no other alternative, but to step in and legislate rules and guidelines for collegiate sports, so that the powers that be can get back their vice grip control over the student athletes.
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The NCAA wants congress to pass legislation because it avoids having to admit players are now some form of university employee, thus avoiding unionization and collective bargaining. They also want congress involved because congress will pass the legislation that the NCAA & Conferences want, since they have lobbying power and the players don’t.
 
bathtubgin said:
The NCAA wants congress to pass legislation because it avoids having to admit players are now some form of university employee, thus avoiding unionization and collective bargaining. They also want congress involved because congress will pass the legislation that the NCAA & Conferences want, since they have lobbying power and the players don’t.
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Luckily, for the players and college football in my opinion, this latest Bill they put through Congress does not look like it’s going to pass. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, until collective bargaining is done, it’s all just gonna be a merry-go-round of BS till then.
 
NicKane said:
Luckily, for the players and college football in my opinion, this latest Bill they put through Congress does not look like it’s going to pass. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, until collective bargaining is done, it’s all just gonna be a merry-go-round of BS till then.
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And the organization standing in the way of unionization is the very organization that keeps losing in court. If this was a fictional story we would all agree that the NC2A is the dumbest organization in the world. But it’s reality which makes it dumber.
 
No one is standing the way of unionization. There is no grassroots unionization effort. There is no legitimate authority that can claim to represent the players collectively. And there is no desire from a vast majority of players to unionize. Players have not nominated anyone to be their collective voice. So there is simply no one to bargain with.
 
Every NFL team has a union rep. For FBS & FCS (teams that could/would pay players) there are 260+ schools. Each would need a rep that could get the players at those schools to agree to be in the union. Those 260+ reps would then have to identify the entity that represents them. It's a huge undertaking.
 
bathtubgin said:
When you leave college and take part in workouts, practices, etc. with NFL teams you become a pro athlete. Even if it’s just preseason. If you don’t make the NFL team, sorry.

Maybe the NCAA cut of date is arbitrary, but there has to be a cut off date. If the NCAA would say the rule begins in 2027 yiure just going to get this same argument from the class that would be affected for that year.
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My thing is, if all this was taking place pre-NIL, how many of these dudes would be pounding the desk trying to come back? I think we all know the answer. Sure, there might be a few wanting to come back for the fun/camaraderie of college football, but for the other 99.9% they’re absolutely terrified of having to get a nine-to-five and work like the rest of us schlubs. Sorry guys, but not everyone is born to be a pro athlete and eventually you’re going to have to get a J-O-B.
 
SPAMM said:
And I still remember Nate Webster losing eligibility because he faxed his letter entering the draft but recinded it but wasn't allowed.
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It probably didn't help that Webster signed the follow-up rescind document in pencil.
 
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