Season ticket holders...If the season allows fans, but eliminates tailgating...

[WR Cane]

Its been like that forever. We have a ton of people who just sit in parking lot and get drunk or party. Miami is all about party scene, doesnt matter the occasion. We have fans who if they even make it to seat would rather get black out drunk, stumble into stadium, Scream its great to be a miami hurricane, get on jumbotron and when they get carried out cant even tell you a single play or what happened during the game. Some bizarre ****. I wont even get into blue lot life..


Kinda creepy...it's almost like you've been stalking me.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

I'd disagree with the consensus you're positing in the last sentence about doctors being optimistic that it's weakening. At best I'd say they're hopeful but they were hopeful about seasonality too.

I absolutely hope I'm wrong but I'll still just point back to the initial infections post-reopening being largely among young people so that's temporarily making stats like mortality rates look like they're decreasing.

Lastly and purely anecdotal but I have access to info at one of Broward's largest health systems and have seen their Covid hospitalizations rates essentially double in the last 7-10 days.

None of the Broward Health System’s hospitals have seen their Covid hospitalization rates double. I don’t know where you’re getting your information.

Of course with the huge increase in testing (go to a Publix parking lot or a ton of other places where testing is readily available), and the fact that patients are repopulating hospitals for other conditions (and subsequently getting an ancillary positive test)… this means there are going to be more positive cases in and out of the hospital. Those aren’t necessarily Covid hospital cases.

 

[JD08]

I'd disagree with the consensus you're positing in the last sentence about doctors being optimistic that it's weakening. At best I'd say they're hopeful but they were hopeful about seasonality too.

I absolutely hope I'm wrong but I'll still just point back to the initial infections post-reopening being largely among young people so that's temporarily making stats like mortality rates look like they're decreasing.

Lastly and purely anecdotal but I have access to info at one of Broward's largest health systems and have seen their Covid hospitalizations rates essentially double in the last 7-10 days.

We got an email from our CEO the other day citing the views of the doctors on staff who've been treating our patients. It was optimistic about acuity.

They expect this uptick in cases will mean higher urgent care and ER volume in the near future. More case means more hospitalizations, but the percentage of cases that require hospitalization is going down.

 

[Tad Footeball]

None of the Broward Health System’s hospitals have seen their Covid hospitalization rates double. I don’t know where you’re getting your information.

Of course with the huge increase in testing (go to a Publix parking lot or a ton of other places where testing is readily available), and the fact that patients are repopulating hospitals for other conditions (and subsequently getting an ancillary positive test)… this means there are going to be more positive cases in and out of the hospital. Those aren’t necessarily Covid hospital cases.

Yes, I'm lying. It's just due to moarrrrr testing and people with sprained ankles also testing positive. I dont live with someone that is employed at said large hospital.

At the end of the day you guys are only going to be convinced by mortality rates and even then you'll claim that those are being manipulated and that Grandma really died of something else but Soros and Gates said to mark her down as a Covid death.

The cabal is real. From public health "experts" to medical examiners to even your local doctor. They're all just trying to destroy Trump at best and ruin our economy for generations at worst.

 

[Tad Footeball]

We got an email from our CEO the other day citing the views of the doctors on staff who've been treating our patients. It was optimistic about acuity.

They expect this uptick in cases will mean higher urgent care and ER volume in the near future. More case means more hospitalizations, but the percentage of cases that require hospitalization is going down.

If your overall pool of infected individuals has greatly expanded to include a massive amount of 25-34 yr olds then wouldn't it just stand to reason it's that demographic shift that is accounting for the decrease in overall percentages requiring hospitalization?

 

[rok]

Its been like that forever. We have a ton of people who just sit in parking lot and get drunk or party. Miami is all about party scene, doesnt matter the occasion. We have fans who if they even make it to seat would rather get black out drunk, stumble into stadium, Scream its great to be a miami hurricane, get on jumbotron and when they get carried out cant even tell you a single play or what happened during the game. Some bizarre ****. I wont even get into blue lot life..


Kinda creepy...it's almost like you've been stalking me.

Miami fans lost their edge when they tore down the OB. ND 2017 is ONE game out of 75 where fans could say a home game felt like it once did.

 

[JD08]

If your overall pool of infected individuals has greatly expanded to include a massive amount of 25-34 yr olds then wouldn't it just stand to reason it's that demographic shift that is accounting for the decrease in overall percentages requiring hospitalization?

That's what I've stated on another thread. It's also possible that treatments are more effective, and also that the virus is weakening. Viruses do get weaker as they mutate and our resistance gets stronger, whether that's happening in such a short span, we don't know. It's also possible that all three factors play a role.

In any case, we're not likely to see a situation like NYC again with another wave.

 

[Tad Footeball]

That's what I've stated on another thread. It's also possible that treatments are more effective, and also that the virus is weakening. Viruses do get weaker as they mutate and our resistance gets stronger, whether that's happening in such a short span, we don't know. It's also possible that all three factors play a role.

In any case, we're not likely to see a situation like NYC again with another wave.

Sounds absolutely reasonable but I may not be so quick to count out DeBlasio (and essentially Cuomo) in somehow facilitating a second wave up there. The former is an absolute moron and the later is now essentially engaging in a victory lap and almost all of those have come back to bite those dumb enough to do them square in the ***.

Thanks for the rationale discourse on this front though. It's sadly almost exceedingly rare.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

Yes, I'm lying. It's just due to moarrrrr testing and people with sprained ankles also testing positive. I dont live with someone that is employed at said large hospital.

At the end of the day you guys are only going to be convinced by mortality rates and even then you'll claim that those are being manipulated and that Grandma really died of something else but Soros and Gates said to mark her down as a Covid death.

The cabal is real. From public health "experts" to medical examiners to even your local doctor. They're all just trying to destroy Trump at best and ruin our economy for generations at worst.

“You guys”...seriously?

I’m glad you know one person that works at one large hospital.

I only know several physicians that work at several hospitals throughout Broward. Many of them relatives. In multiple specialties. I also have a relative that’s one of the main people for the testing being done in Broward county.

And why did you bring up Trump? He has zero to do with where I’m coming from. But obviously he has everything to do with where you’re coming from. Well, at least you manned up and made your true intentions and motivations clear, after timidly beating around the bush for years.

There are many more tests being done now. That’s just a fact. But is also a fact is that there is a greater preponderance of younger people testing positive now.

What is one thing that I agree with it’s going to be the death rates, i.e. number of deaths in the next several weeks is going to be the ultimate metric.

And if you look back at some of my posts, I said when things opened up that not only positive results would increase but so would deaths. The question is, what are we seeing here? A few more deaths and many more positive cases to be expected with the reopening, with respect to a a virus that is irretrievably in the wild.

What I can say with certainty, and my main point was that so far the increase in cases seen, and the modest increase in hospitalized cases are nowhere near taxing the system, there’s currently no danger of the healthcare system being overwhelmed in Broward in the slightest. At least not now. If you think going to happen in the future, I hate to tell you most of the healthcare personnel I know in Broward don’t see it happening.

And in the future, I prefer not to discuss Trump or any of the party political issues regarding this.

Let’s see what happens over the next two or three weeks. Maybe your wish will come true.

 

[1LuvCane]

I'd disagree with the consensus you're positing in the last sentence about doctors being optimistic that it's weakening. At best I'd say they're hopeful but they were hopeful about seasonality too.

I absolutely hope I'm wrong but I'll still just point back to the initial infections post-reopening being largely among young people so that's temporarily making stats like mortality rates look like they're decreasing.

Lastly and purely anecdotal but I have access to info at one of Broward's largest health systems and have seen their Covid hospitalizations rates essentially double in the last 7-10 days.

It must be all mango mao's fault?
The truce lasted 3 days before this place went back to ****. Thanks

 

[cooks002]

I have a hard time believing there will be a season anyway. Hope I'm wrong.

 

[Tad Footeball]

“You guys”...seriously?

I’m glad you know one person that works at one large hospital.

I only know several physicians that work at several hospitals throughout Broward. Many of them relatives. In multiple specialties. I also have a relative that’s one of the main people for the testing being done in Broward county.

And why did you bring up Trump? He has zero to do with where I’m coming from. But obviously he has everything to do with where you’re coming from. Well, at least you manned up and made your true intentions and motivations clear, after timidly beating around the bush for years.

There are many more tests being done now. That’s just a fact. But is also a fact is that there is a greater preponderance of younger people testing positive now.

What is one thing that I agree with it’s going to be the death rates, i.e. number of deaths in the next several weeks is going to be the ultimate metric.

And if you look back at some of my posts, I said when things opened up that not only positive results would increase but so would deaths. The question is, what are we seeing here? A few more deaths and many more positive cases to be expected with the reopening, with respect to a a virus that is irretrievably in the wild.

What I can say with certainty, and my main point was that so far the increase in cases seen, and the modest increase in hospitalized cases are nowhere near taxing the system, there’s currently no danger of the healthcare system being overwhelmed in Broward in the slightest. At least not now. If you think going to happen in the future, I hate to tell you most of the healthcare personnel I know in Broward don’t see it happening.

And in the future, I prefer not to discuss Trump or any of the party political issues regarding this.

Let’s see what happens over the next two or three weeks. Maybe your wish will come true.

How many people do I have to actually know (or live with) to know what this specific hospital's numbers are? But you have a cousin Skippy that is a podiatrist in Tamarac and an aunt Debbie that is one of the "main" people running Broward's testing so that obviously trumps my agenda and "wishes" here.

You magically want to keep politics out of this yet you simply parrot talking points that are originating in the political sphere. All the way down the verrrry lazy tactic of claiming that anyone that challenges your "theories' as WANTING to see death and massive spread.

But if we want to keep this civil then we can focus on two things:

A) I never warned of imminent danger of South Florida hospitals reaching capacity and being overrun. I just mentioned the case increase at one large local hospital. Hospital capacity was always a doomsday type of metric anyway. Does it really matter if we end up with 300000 dead by Christmas but that hospitals were able to funnel them through without needing tents outside for additional bedding? But then again this was always a convenient metric for the "Reopen NOW!" crowd as they spun/spin hospital capacity as proof that they did "their part" and flattened the curve.

B) Hopefully I don't even have to but I'll check back to make sure you're not espousing any theories of over-counting and mislabeling deaths as Covid deaths. That's always a cute little tactic when people scream "But da mortality rates!!!!" and then can only explain them by saying they heard of someone dying in a car accident, being posthumously tested for Covid and then being counted as a Covid death.

 

[Tad Footeball]

It must be all mango mao's fault?
The truce lasted 3 days before this place went back to ****. Thanks

There was a truce? The only thing I signed was a Happy 17th Birthday card for Brock.

 

[CFLCane]

Literally every single tangible metric points to a weakening (potency) virus. Pretty sure Italy saw evidence of this in studies not too long ago.

Yet.... you just simply won’t hear about it. It’s far more important to extend the fear another couple months for obvious reasons.

Post the metric points or stfu

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

How many people do I have to actually know (or live with) to know what this specific hospital's numbers are? But you have a cousin Skippy that is a podiatrist in Tamrac and an aunt Debbie that is one of the "main" people running Broward's testing so that obviously trumps my agenda and "wishes" here.

You magically want to keep politics out of this yet you simply parrot talking points that are originating in the political sphere. All the way down the verrrry lazy tactic of claiming that anyone that challenges your "theories' as WANTING to see death and massive spread.

But if we want to keep this civil then we can focus on two things:

A) I never warned of imminent danger of South Florida hospitals reaching capacity and being overrun. I just mentioned the case increase at one large local hospital. Hospital capacity was always a doomsday type of metric anyway. Does it really matter if we end up with 300000 dead by Christmas but that hospitals were able to funnel them through without needing tents outside for additional bedding? But then again this was always a convenient metric for the "Reopen NOW!" crowd as they spun/spin hospital capacity as proof that they did "their part" and flattened the curve.

B) Hopefully I don't even have to but I'll check back to make sure you're not espousing any theories of over-counting and mislabeling deaths as Covid deaths. That's always a cute little tactic when people scream "But da mortality rates!!!!" and then can only explain them by saying they heard of someone dying in a car accident, being posthumously tested for Covid and then being counted as a Covid death.

That was another disrespectful and politically motivated response. Your anger is overtaking your common sense. Recall you went down this road first. I only had a genuine question about where you were getting your information. In my initial response to you, I did not include politics nor did I disrespect you. You started the fūckery.

If you’d like, I’ll introduce you to some of the people in my circle. None of them are podiatrists, but I’m sure I can get you a reference if you’d like. We can discuss the situation at the Holy Cross Hospitals, Broward Health system, Memorial health system, or Cleveland Clinic.

I’m not parroting any political talking points. I’m talking about the situation on the ground as it is right now. It seems you are the one that keeps making it about politics. You really have no idea who you’re talking to and I’m not a bullshotter, and let’s just leave it at that.

As far as how Covid deaths are being counted, all you have to do is look at the CDC guidelines for coding. Or talk to anybody that works in a hospital that’s involved with billing or pathology. No politics, just facts. And I’m not a Covid denier by any stretch of the imagination, there have been a shlt ton of deaths nationwide, that’s undeniable. What is at question is the actual accuracy. In the end, it really doesn’t make a difference to the average person if we end up a true count of 90,000 deaths or 140,000 deaths. It’s a lot of deaths. But it does make a difference to good science.

 

[JD08]

Post the metric points or stfu

Daily new cases vs daily new hospitalizations over the last 30 days.

 

[Salt]

None of the Broward Health System’s hospitals have seen their Covid hospitalization rates double. I don’t know where you’re getting your information.

Of course with the huge increase in testing (go to a Publix parking lot or a ton of other places where testing is readily available), and the fact that patients are repopulating hospitals for other conditions (and subsequently getting an ancillary positive test)… this means there are going to be more positive cases in and out of the hospital. Those aren’t necessarily Covid hospital cases.

I heard that hospitals aren't reporting why patients are being admitted so you are right that the increase in admissions is not necessarily COVID related.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

I heard that hospitals aren't reporting why patients are being admitted so you are right that the increase in admissions is not necessarily COVID related.

Admissions are increasing mainly because people are finally going back to hospitals for their original purpose. Which needs to happen because hospitals need to generate revenue, and people still keep having heart attacks, strokes, cancer, you know, what causes 99.999% of the deaths in this country

 

[b caned]

Post the metric points or stfu

Post the metric points or stfu

I’m not going to double post what’s obvious to anyone that can think for himself. Which clearly you’re ***** *** can’t with your little “stfu” statement. Way to keep it civil chump. The keyboard warrior shows himself again. Bravo!

It’s easy to follow simpleton. Quit living on Faucis every word. Daily cases are “skyrocketing”....but deaths mysteriously aren’t. Nor are hospitalizations. A stark contrast (do you even understand this terminology) from what happened in NYC and elsewhere early on (March/April). Now go back to pounding sand.

 

[1LuvCane]

I’m not going to double post what’s obvious to anyone that can think for himself. Which clearly you’re ***** *** can’t with your little “stfu” statement. Way to keep it civil chump. The keyboard warrior shows himself again. Bravo!

It’s easy to follow simpleton. Quit living on Faucis every word. Daily cases are “skyrocketing”....but deaths mysteriously aren’t. Nor are hospitalizations. A stark contrast (do you even understand this terminology) from what happened in NYC and elsewhere early on (March/April). Now go back to pounding sand.

Smart move. If you punch back they start crying...