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AUcane said:
I have not. What did they say?
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"Not elite arm strength, but I don't think it's anything that will hinder you. Obviously, he's been working with Pat (Shurmur, a longtime NFL coach who's currently Colorado's offensive coordinator), so he knows some NFL stuff. He'll have to learn to get the ball out and to play with the timing you need to play in this league. That's everything it really comes down to." Said an NFC assistant coach: "He's got ability to throw to all three levels. He's good on the ball-out, quick passing game. Can move around. Tough as all get out. He'll take hits and just hop up and it doesn't really faze him. That's impressive. There's obviously things he needs to improve on, just working progressions. You've got Travis Hunter out there; it's not like you have to work a ton of progressions. And then he took a lot of sacks. Obviously, the line wasn't outstanding, but they weren't always the line's fault, either. He's hanging on to the ball. He's not throwing the ball away for one reason or another. He's got a chance to be good. There's things there that's got to improve. I think he can do it."

"When you hear all the anecdotal stories about the person, it's not that he's a bad kid. He has been so insulated. It's going to be a culture shock when he really learns how a locker room really operates and how it really works inside a building. He's had so much input on the offensive game plan and who the coach is, and everything's been catered to him. When you walk in one of these (NFL) buildings, no one's going to give a s--- about that. No one cares who your dad is. You're going to have to end up fighting through some adversity. The plays aren't going to be called to exactly what you want to run. Even last year with Shurmur, a lot of the mistakes he made was stuff that he just decided to call at the line of scrimmage himself, and there's no recourse of him making those decisions. Whereas, in a real locker room, you make a couple of those decisions, you get your a-- ripped so bad that you never want to do it again."

One longtime NFL assistant coach said his time with Sanders was "the worst formal interview I've ever been in in my life. He's so entitled. He takes unnecessary sacks. He never plays on time. He has horrible body language. He blames teammates. ... But the biggest thing is, he's not that good." Said one longtime AFC executive: "It didn't go great in our interview. He wants to dictate what he's going to do and what's best for him. He makes you feel small."


That's just a sample. There's more here.

 
TheOriginalCane said:
Very good points.

I've never been a complete "hater" on our kids going pro early from a purely economic sense. However, I do think that even if the money is "relatively comparable" from Rounds 2 to 6, teams tend to be more heavily invested in developing and playing, say, a second round draft pick more than they are with a sixth round draft pick.

Having said that, I think that this truly exposes the absolute STUPIDITY and arrogance of the Sanders family. Their focus is so heavily oriented to money and the "status" of being a Top Five pick, but they couldn't be bothered to do the ONE THING that would guarantee Shadeur TENS OF MILLIONS more, which is to make an effort for his multiple "job interviews" with teams that could select him highly in the draft.

And I realize, we will now have a batch of porsts that bemoan how people are "supposed to act", and how they shouldn't have to "kowtow towards the man" and how "the system can't handle a strong/proud man who knows his worth". Yeah, all of that is bull****. You SHOULD be trying to convince a prospective employer as to why you are worth an investment of tens of millions of dollars. And "how well you played at Jackson State against terrible competition" is not enough of an evidentiary base from which to act like you have already won the lottery.

**** Shadeur and the whole Sanders family. If they want more money, they can make more KFC commercials, I really don't care.

But if they wanted Shadeur to have a solid NFL future, they should have put more effort into the pre-draft process, including the team interviews.
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1st off, love what you're doing in this thread. Great work.

Now to the bolded. This **** frustrates me to no end. It's like people who think that way can't see the forest for the trees. It screams insecurity. In any job or relationship there is a give & take. Guys who try so hard to tell you who they are seem to miss basic little details like that.

It reminds me of Kyrie Irving on 1st take getting offended that SA called his father "his daddy", saying "I call him my father!" Man that's ******* **** where you're trying to learn how to be your own man & overcorrect by trying to distinguish yourself from your father. This was around the time he was in Brooklyn, consistently putting his foot in his mouth. It made me realize he's still trying to figure out who he is but has an illusion of who he thinks he is.

Afa Shadeur goes, I wouldn't be surprised if he's going through something similar where he doesn't yet know who he is outside of his father's presence & shadow. He saw his father have the supreme confidence & arrogance of an all-time great... but he was an all-time great. Meanwhile your best accomplishments are being the qb of Colorado... with 9 wins in your best season. You definitely do still have alot to prove. This is mostly conjecture on my part regarding his mentality but I can only work with what I see.

But then we have Cam, who's confidence is unrivaled, who understood that everything from the end of the season up to the draft was apart of "the interview." He carried himself with poise & confidence & showed respect for people & their time. Showed the leadership traits of his personality as well as an athlete by bringing his teammates along wherever possible. And when it was his time to go number 1 he showed his humility. He proved he's capable of being the face of a franchise, not just the qb.

I never kissed *** or was a "company man," just not in my DNA. However, I always made sure my bosses or any prospective employer know that I take pride in whatever work I do & that they were gonna get the best of me & the hardest worker as long as the check clears.
 
Ghurd8 said:
1st off, love what you're doing in this thread. Great work.

Now to the bolded. This **** frustrates me to no end. It's like people who think that way can't see the forest for the trees. It screams insecurity. In any job or relationship there is a give & take. Guys who try so hard to tell you who they are seem to miss basic little details like that.

It reminds me of Kyrie Irving on 1st take getting offended that SA called his father "his daddy", saying "I call him my father!" Man that's ******* **** where you're trying to learn how to be your own man & overcorrect by trying to distinguish yourself from your father. This was around the time he was in Brooklyn, consistently putting his foot in his mouth. It made me realize he's still trying to figure out who he is but has an illusion of who he thinks he is.

Afa Shadeur goes, I wouldn't be surprised if he's going through something similar where he doesn't yet know who he is outside of his father's presence & shadow. He saw his father have the supreme confidence & arrogance of an all-time great... but he was an all-time great. Meanwhile your best accomplishments are being the qb of Colorado... with 9 wins in your best season. You definitely do still have alot to prove. This is mostly conjecture on my part regarding his mentality but I can only work with what I see.

But then we have Cam, who's confidence is unrivaled, who understood that everything from the end of the season up to the draft was apart of "the interview." He carried himself with poise & confidence & showed respect for people & their time. Showed the leadership traits of his personality as well as an athlete by bringing his teammates along wherever possible. And when it was his time to go number 1 he showed his humility. He proved he's capable of being the face of a franchise, not just the qb.

I never kissed *** or was a "company man," just not in my DNA. However, I always made sure my bosses or any prospective employer know that I take pride in whatever work I do & that they were gonna get the best of me & the hardest worker as long as the check clears.
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It’ll take a very strong organization for Shadeur to be successful. As.o one that’s willing to tolerate his father. The Browns ain’t it and I’m not sure a very good team will draft him.
 
So wild to me that Cam and SS could be so different when they worked together as much as they did.

Really happy for Cam who never lost sight of the goal and always played with a chip on his shoulder.

Whichever team that drafts SS is going to have to deal with the persona more than the person and that’s not even including the constant social media “analysis” of how that team is treating SS by his dad. Seems to me that SS will absolutely need gamebreakers surrounding him as well as a strong coach. The Steelers would have been a good landing spot.

Tonight, I’m hoping the Titans take Burden in the 2nd and selfishly hoping Arroyo falls to the Chiefs, if only because you KNOW he would become a star in the league. Also hope XR goes to a favorable situation.
 
His dad is and always was an arrogant azshóle, going all the way back to his Soul Glow Jheri Curl days in Trailerhassee. Thing is, he got away with it and became popular with some fans because he was THAT good. Sheduer is a decent QB, even exciting at times. However he is nowhere near to QBs what his dad was to DBs. You could make the argument that Deion was generational. You cannot say that about Sheduer, yet Sheduer acts like he's already achieved greatness. If you're gonna act that way, you sure as heII better put up. Otherwise, you get dragged.... deservedly so.
 
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Its obvious teams don't want to deal with the circus of Deion and his hangers-on. If Shedeur's last name was Smith, there would not be such uproar over him not going in the 1st round.

NFL teams don't like locker-room headcases. That may be why Gerald Willis, who while he played here was unblockable, went undrafted when he was graded as no worse than a day 2 pick.
 
AUcane said:
Which re-emphasizes the point that if you think you're top 10-15 material, stay the extra year. But if you're a borderline 4-5th rounder and you COULD project as a 2nd rounder (or even low first rounder), ALMOST better to just go to the pros and start the clock? NIL further complicates things from a decision pov. But with NIL, I'm guessing that in almost all cases, best to stick around to your senior year with a nice NIL deal.
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I think Damien Martinez could have been a 1st round pick if he stayed his senior year and if Dawson utilized him properly. Just my opinion.
 
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Last name isnt Sanders, no one would care

He seems to be more concerned about things other than football and simply making $
 
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I think Cleveland has two of the first five picks in the second round so they might grab him with one of those. I feel bad for anyone drafted by the Cleveland Browns, but maybe not this time.
 
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