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JD08 said:
If Shedeur takes this as the life lesson it can be, he'll put in the work to show why he should be the starting QB. If not, then we'll be doing the exact same search for excuses and blame as to why that didn't happen.
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At the end of the day he is in the same situation he would have otherwise been in with the Brown had they taken him 2nd or 3rd round, just with much less rope or investment. Makes it quite simple, perform or get cut. Everything you’ve done to this point is irrelevant, what you do on the field and in the locker room going forward is how you’ll be judged.

If he’s a better QB he has his opportunity to be the starter or backup and eventually start this season. I’d expect them to go with Flacco to start week 1 most likely, but someone else will start for the Browns this year. Only actually unfortunate thing for him is Browns will likely swing on a 1st round qb next yr regardless….

I actually think Browns played this VERY well. Though there would have been much less bs and anger about their draft had they gone Shedeur in rd 3 and Gabriel rd 5…
 
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AtlAtty said:
So for $200 you are taking; He’s dumb.

I know it is considered impolite thing to say someone is dumb, and you have done a wonderful job of not referring to him as dumb, but it is entirely possible you are correct, and that is the real reason. Unfortunately for Sanders there are positions at which a player can be less than a genius; Dline, RB, but QB is not that position. A QB who lacks a certain level of mental acuity is doomed in the NFL no matter how good of an athlete he is. And Sanders isn’t that great of an athlete at the pro level.
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Easy now.

You just hit home with ALOT of porsters.

ALOT.
 
BoxingRobes said:
I made mention of the other day in the draft thread...but my money is on he can't draw up a play, do board sessions, and doesn't have it between the ears. "Bombing the interviews"...these interviews with QBs are mostly board work and seeing if the QB can retain information and jive with the headcoach/playcaller as they visit the facility, etc. Some guys get medical checks, etc.

Shedeur and the Sanders' family trying to dictate terms during these meetings might have just been a way to obfuscate his deficiencies and then it mades its way around the league.
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That's possible, but leading up to the draft, many evaluators were saying that he possessed a high football IQ because of his ability to read defenses & go through full field progressions. They were touting that as one of his strengths along with his accuracy. The lack of football IQ doesn't really show up on tape.

What's more plausible imo, is that his lack of humility during the pre-draft process made teams weary & they began to view him as a high-risk prospect. In the NIL era of CFB where players have the potential to earn essentially unlimited compensation, humility matters; even more so if you're a QB who's an unfinished product. How much of this lack of humility can be attributed to NIL vs his father? That's a fair question, but Deion deserves a lot of the blame here because he was his father, HC, & agent during the entire process.

Ultimately, NFL teams viewed Shedeur as the poster child for everything wrong with the NIL era of CFB, & collectively decided to make an example out of him.
 
BoxingRobes said:
Sounds terrible when you say it like that.

He's just always run his Dad's offense. Or maybe it's just because they presume he'll be a pain in the ***.

The NFL takes Zach Wilson types, Johnny Manziel types, and Tim Tebow types in R1. The notion that Shedeur Sanders is a problem waiting to happen but the latter two werent...I just have a hard time believing that's the reason.

This kind of drop is because the league doesn't think he can play.

I watched him play a ton like all of you. I thought he could play...at least he could play in his Dad's offense.

Perhaps my feelings and best intententions tell me he can play, but the facts and evidence tell me the league doesn't think he can. I'm just curious as to why.

I mentioned in the other thread...Deion fired Sean Lewis in their first season at Colorado by November after they lost a bunch.

And then...funny enough...this comes out today from Brian Daboll via The McShay Show.

"Shedeur didn't have a great interview with Brian Daboll in a private visit," McShay said. "An install package came in. Preparation wasn't there for it. [Sanders] got called out on it. Didn’t like that. Brian didn’t appreciate him not liking it."

Idk he probably just doesnt know ball at the level he needs to for the NFL.
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I think there is a lot of truth in what you wrote. I also have an issue from a talent standpoint with where Sanders was drafted. All we have to do is compare his talent to that of Dillon Gabriel. The difference is obvious.

But if the consensus in the league is that he was not a starting QB (round 1-I know how did anyone think Wilson, Manziel or Tebow were!), then the question becomes how well will he adapt to being a backup. As we know, NFL backup QB is a very coveted job. It pays well and you don’t take the physical abuse of the starter. But you have to be a player that others want on the team despite the fact that you aren’t playing. That is a different personality type and maybe Sanders was not viewed favorably as a potential back up, due to reasons like what Daboll noted.

Sanders certainly did not do himself any favors either by the way he carried himself. That part, whether by the son, or the dad, is definitely dumb. Acting like you are too good for a job interview is dumb for anyone in any business. Better not to do the interview than to have a poor interview.
 
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MikeyCanez said:
Not trying to throw shade at you, but I think it is always hilarious when these stories come out and it was like "Brian Daboll wasn't impressed". Meanwhile Brian Daboll is 18-32 as a head coach and is overseeing one of the worst teams in the league. I mean, if Daboll isn't impressed...
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All of this raises an important question:

Just exactly what DOES impress Brian Daboll???
 
I watched Cam’s pro day then watched SS’s pro day and the difference in arm strength was really noticeable between the two.

If you watch all of SS highlight tapes there all filled with him lofting long downfield passes to wide open receivers for the most point running against Big 12 garbage defense.

You never see him firing a ball across the middle or a hook pattern where the ball has to be fit in a small window or an out where if the ball isn’t delivered on time with velocity it’s 6 the other way.Half the balls you see him complete in his highlight reels probably get picked in the NFL.To me that’s one of the big reason he fell…You watch Cam’s pro day and he’s firing these type throws in there like he will need to do in the pro’s…

Not sure what Kiper was watching when he put SS ahead of Cam but I’m sure it has something to do with him sniffing all that hair gel over the years.
 
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AtlAtty said:
I think there is a lot of truth in what you wrote. I also have an issue from a talent standpoint with where Sanders was drafted. All we have to do is compare his talent to that of Dillon Gabriel. The difference is obvious.

But if the consensus in the league is that he was not a starting QB (round 1-I know how did anyone think Wilson, Manziel or Tebow were!), then the question becomes how well will he adapt to being a backup. As we know, NFL backup QB is a very coveted job. It pays well and you don’t take the physical abuse of the starter. But you have to be a player that others want on the team despite the fact that you aren’t playing. That is a different personality type and maybe Sanders was not viewed favorably as a potential back up, due to reasons like what Daboll noted.

Sanders certainly did not do himself any favors either by the way he carried himself. That part, whether by the son, or the dad, is definitely dumb. Acting like you are too good for a job interview is dumb for anyone in any business. Better not to do the interview than to have a poor interview.
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I will not allow u to slander Manziel who should’ve been a back to back Heisman trophy winner and compare him to Sheduer 13-12 Samders. No thank u sir lol
 
AtlAtty said:
I think there is a lot of truth in what you wrote. I also have an issue from a talent standpoint with where Sanders was drafted. All we have to do is compare his talent to that of Dillon Gabriel. The difference is obvious.

But if the consensus in the league is that he was not a starting QB (round 1-I know how did anyone think Wilson, Manziel or Tebow were!), then the question becomes how well will he adapt to being a backup. As we know, NFL backup QB is a very coveted job. It pays well and you don’t take the physical abuse of the starter. But you have to be a player that others want on the team despite the fact that you aren’t playing. That is a different personality type and maybe Sanders was not viewed favorably as a potential back up, due to reasons like what Daboll noted.

Sanders certainly did not do himself any favors either by the way he carried himself. That part, whether by the son, or the dad, is definitely dumb. Acting like you are too good for a job interview is dumb for anyone in any business. Better not to do the interview than to have a poor interview.
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Sheduers biggest positive is his accuracy and toughness. He's not some great talent physically at all. If Gabriel was taller than Shedeur I'm not even sure Sheduer would be considered more talented than him, like neither have some great arm, but I'm not so sure Gabriel doesn't have a better arm than him already. And he's obviously a better athlete imo...
 
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Trafficante said:
That's possible, but leading up to the draft, many evaluators were saying that he possessed a high football IQ because of his ability to read defenses & go through full field progressions. They were touting that as one of his strengths along with his accuracy. The lack of football IQ doesn't really show up on tape.

What's more plausible imo, is that his lack of humility during the pre-draft process made teams weary & they began to view him as a high-risk prospect. In the NIL era of CFB where players have the potential to earn essentially unlimited compensation, humility matters; even more so if you're a QB who's an unfinished product. How much of this lack of humility can be attributed to NIL vs his father? That's a fair question, but Deion deserves a lot of the blame here because he was his father, HC, & agent during the entire process.

Ultimately, NFL teams viewed Shedeur as the poster child for everything wrong with the NIL era of CFB, & collectively decided to make an example out of him.
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He can run his Dad's offense just fine. Its the offense he has run since he was a kid and Deion was the playcaller every step of the way.

The story with Daboll...many would point to whatever happened after...but I focus on the point that he couldn't remember the install or didn't prepare for the install or just didn't know. Anything after is usually theatrics to blur the point that he didn't know.

The other story that Albert Breer mentioned in the article with another team that had one of his INTs lined up...my attention goes straight to the point that he couldn't identify what went wrong.

He also didn't do any of the rudimentary fun stuff pre-draft like the Gruden Camp show that lets these QBs show off that side of themselves.

You would point to the lack of humility, and that is totally understandable. That lack of humility isn't Pick 144, that's a guy that is seen as a backup by league.

Couple that with the story of Colorado demoting and letting go of a very respected offensive playcaller that left a head coaching gig (and got a head coaching gig immediately after he was let go) in the middle of the season.

One of my quarterback scouting notes that I always refer back to came from a story where Tajh Boyd recalled why he didn't make it in the NFL as a backup and he outlined some pretty good reasons for it and its always stuck with me. In the NFL, as a backup, if you are the kind of learner where you need reps in the offense to really learn the offense (which Tajh Boyd says he was), you won't make it. Those backup QBs need to be booksmart and able to learn the offense without the reps (because they don't really get much) and when called upon you need to be able to run a rudimentary version of the offense without many reps - think of why Josh Dobbs has had a career for long in the NFL. The kind of "drop" we saw with Shedeur only happens when there is information we don't know or there is some sort of crime. What information don't we know about him? Probably a lot, but in this case, my hypothesis is he just doesn't know ball at the level he needs to and some of these vague reports of what happened in this meeting absolutely showcase the lack of humility, but also showcase that this guy might not know his ****. Both are probably true, but I don't think the lack of humility alone gets him to 144.

The lack of humility lessened his options, but those teams that were an option did not think he could play, even as a backup. By the time he was taken by Cleveland, they just saw him as a lotto ticket. The other teams took QBs or waited until Shedeur was gone to take theirs (like Pittsburgh).

With that said, this guy summarizes my overall point I was making during the draft about him. That is the information we didn't know.



I said this at the start of Day 3.

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Page305 said:
Did Sanders really bomb those interviews as bad as it has been reported?
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Probably can't draw up a play. The social media and nepo baby behavior is one thing, but he's probably deficient between the ears as a quarterback at this stage. Only reason I could see him dropping like this. Players get drafted earlier - even quarterbacks - with far more red flags and real personality flaws.

He looks like a good quarterback, to me. He played really well in college.

He doesn't have any injury issues that we know of.

Got to be a between the ears football thing.
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