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ZuCrew said:
We've all been watching college football long enough to witness the re-emergence and dominance of Nick Saban and the Tide. He's considered the greatest CFB coach of all time and won 7 Nattty's, HOWEVER, what has been unsaid in the mainstream is the manner of HOW he got to that point pre-NIL and what the NIL means for him and the vaunted "process" afterward going to what many can consider the last leg of his coaching legacy.

So, I have the privilege of attending FUMA ( if you know, you know) for three years during is golden football days where I had the pleasure of seeing DJ Paterson (Harvard) and Chris Perry(U-M) play. Mark Filmore (NW) was a receiver on the JV football team I was on that year and Billy McMullen (VT) and Asad Abdul Khaliq(Minn) were PG's. Tons of memories of that place. The legendary Coach Micky Sullivan said this and I'm paraphrasing " Yea, we train and practice hard however more times than not, if you have the better players coming off the bus, you're usually going to win". Alot of year's that's what it was, we just had the better players. Which brings me to Ole Nick..

If he can win at least one more championship during this leg of his career, I'm going to be more impressed that any of the one's prior. Why? Well, it's because he's not playing with a stacked deck every year like before and now money to players is not a hush-hush taboo issue. Everyone has access to paying the players. Once more with Lincoln Riley at USC, Mario at Miami, Kirby at UGA, Kelly at LSU, Day at OSU, and Fisher at TAMU plus Heupel at Tenn, he can't waltz into any area in the country anymore and cherry pick the best players from all over. NOPE! That, coupled with the fact that he's not the only person that has a "compensation machine" behind him at Bama, things are going to be much tougher for him to do what he's done in the past.

Personally, I think even without those factors, he's still probably one of the greats if not these greatest of all time however, looking at it, this is a beast of his own doing. They were so "good" for many years, that the rest of college football had to catch up. They did, in a big way. I'll be interested to see how the Tide respond in this latest incarnation of college football with a more even playing ground, can they be as dominate as they once were? I think Ole Nick has at least one left in him but we'll see. Let me know your thoughts..
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Yep.
But it's also equally impressive that they've been able to maintain basically the same level of quality year over, despite having large number of roster turnover from players entering the draft early or entering the transfer portal, as well as coaching turnover. A lot of mercenary coaches go there, try to "steal the bama formula" and go repeat somewhere else. Look at how many coaches have gone to the Saban Coaching Rehab clinic or whatever they call it as analysts or even position coaches. They all seem to come out of that and become head coaches everywhere else. Saban's coaching tree is pretty wild in itself. To me that is probably the most impressive thing. To be able to re-load with an entirely new coaching staff, knowing the guys coming in are basically just trying to steal your secrets for a year or two and then dip to cash in.

It is more than just dropping bags, otherwise your team would just be a perennial Ole Miss for example. I do think he's about done though.

This isn't me slurping Saban. I call him Sabag more often than not. But for some reason half of you think it's okay to slurp Lincoln Riley and co. but not Saban because he didn't work out at the Dolphins. Cool. Staying bitter won't make the canes great again. Game respect game. SabanDaGawd.
 
305to954 said:
He’s already the greatest CFB coach of all time. The rules he played by were the same rules Texas, USC, OU, Tenn, lsu, Miami (some years) UF, FSU UGA etc etc had the benefit of it some point in time…and some even attempted and failed (lonestar state)..NONE channeled it into the run he did..in modern day Miami and USC came the closest..but dude won with 2 star QBs, 3/4 Star QBs and the best of the best QBs. He’s won doing it one way then adjusted to doing it another way. He’s won at 2 different SEC schools only to see his former lose footing a couple years after he left (LSU). When the man leaves Bama, Bama won’t be the same..He and Bama will benefit the most out of this new landscape in Recruiting, NIL, and TP..when you hear him speak out against this no oversight structure, every coach in America feels the same way. It’s a mess. Patt narduzzi has spoken out harshly 2 straight years about it being a negative in the sport..but it only get air time when Saban does lol..well dude just signed the greatest class of the 247 era (again). So he’s alright.

That’s said, next year will be the most vulnerable he’s been. OLine recruiting hasn’t panned out. WR evaluations have slipped (similar to oline). And they have to replace bryce.
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Narduzzi’s basis for his complaints is he doesn’t have the “resources” Saban has. Never will.

The only difference with NIL and Saban is now he can dole out the $$$ above the table. The $$$ has always been there and with 7 natty’s, he’s got plenty of bank to sell recruits.
 
ZuCrew said:
We've all been watching college football long enough to witness the re-emergence and dominance of Nick Saban and the Tide. He's considered the greatest CFB coach of all time and won 7 Nattty's, HOWEVER, what has been unsaid in the mainstream is the manner of HOW he got to that point pre-NIL and what the NIL means for him and the vaunted "process" afterward going to what many can consider the last leg of his coaching legacy.

So, I have the privilege of attending FUMA ( if you know, you know) for three years during is golden football days where I had the pleasure of seeing DJ Paterson (Harvard) and Chris Perry(U-M) play. Mark Filmore (NW) was a receiver on the JV football team I was on that year and Billy McMullen (VT) and Asad Abdul Khaliq(Minn) were PG's. Tons of memories of that place. The legendary Coach Micky Sullivan said this and I'm paraphrasing " Yea, we train and practice hard however more times than not, if you have the better players coming off the bus, you're usually going to win". Alot of year's that's what it was, we just had the better players. Which brings me to Ole Nick..

If he can win at least one more championship during this leg of his career, I'm going to be more impressed that any of the one's prior. Why? Well, it's because he's not playing with a stacked deck every year like before and now money to players is not a hush-hush taboo issue. Everyone has access to paying the players. Once more with Lincoln Riley at USC, Mario at Miami, Kirby at UGA, Kelly at LSU, Day at OSU, and Fisher at TAMU plus Heupel at Tenn, he can't waltz into any area in the country anymore and cherry pick the best players from all over. NOPE! That, coupled with the fact that he's not the only person that has a "compensation machine" behind him at Bama, things are going to be much tougher for him to do what he's done in the past.

Personally, I think even without those factors, he's still probably one of the greats if not these greatest of all time however, looking at it, this is a beast of his own doing. They were so "good" for many years, that the rest of college football had to catch up. They did, in a big way. I'll be interested to see how the Tide respond in this latest incarnation of college football with a more even playing ground, can they be as dominate as they once were? I think Ole Nick has at least one left in him but we'll see. Let me know your thoughts..
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Really posting this after seeing the class he just brought in? Lol
 
BS85 said:
I can almost hear the slurping of Saban on this thread.
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These mother****ers throat Saban to no end. Saban is NOT that good of a coach. He just had the luxury of having the best of everything, buying players, and hundred god**** analysts, unlimited money from boosters to throw around. I could’ve won with what he had. **** Saban and anyone who wants to blow him. Buncha wannabe Finebaums around here.
 
I'm pretty ******* sick of the constant bull**** sucking off other teams and coaches on a Canes forum. **** saban. Dude did the equivalent of wall hacking in a video game and people applaud him. what the **** ever. If he were such an elite coach he'd have been able to get in done in the NFL also. He's only excelled when the playing field wasn't level. Is everyone gonna say kirby is an elite coach or his he a good coach with elite players?
 
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From 2011-2017 he had the number in class.
In 2018 he only took 22 players and still finished 5th with a class that had ps2 and waddle.
2019 number 1
2020 2nd but his class average was the highest
2021 number 1
2022 second but again with the highest average
2023 number one.


Maybe another coach wouldn’t have won as manny nattys but **** man that’s a **** of a stacked deck to be working with.

The only other teams in the past 6 years that have recruited as well as he has are the suckeyes and uga.

We are giving him a pass this year because of past success. But no reason he shouldn’t be in the playoffs right now considering the recruiting juggernaut that Bama has become under him.
 
Great coach, but what have him a competitive advantage to out him over the edge was his friendship-or dirt on Emeritt (so?) who turned a blind eye to him paying for players etc. Guys a Kock.
 
ZuCrew said:
We've all been watching college football long enough to witness the re-emergence and dominance of Nick Saban and the Tide. He's considered the greatest CFB coach of all time and won 7 Nattty's, HOWEVER, what has been unsaid in the mainstream is the manner of HOW he got to that point pre-NIL and what the NIL means for him and the vaunted "process" afterward going to what many can consider the last leg of his coaching legacy.

So, I have the privilege of attending FUMA ( if you know, you know) for three years during is golden football days where I had the pleasure of seeing DJ Paterson (Harvard) and Chris Perry(U-M) play. Mark Filmore (NW) was a receiver on the JV football team I was on that year and Billy McMullen (VT) and Asad Abdul Khaliq(Minn) were PG's. Tons of memories of that place. The legendary Coach Micky Sullivan said this and I'm paraphrasing " Yea, we train and practice hard however more times than not, if you have the better players coming off the bus, you're usually going to win". Alot of year's that's what it was, we just had the better players. Which brings me to Ole Nick..

If he can win at least one more championship during this leg of his career, I'm going to be more impressed that any of the one's prior. Why? Well, it's because he's not playing with a stacked deck every year like before and now money to players is not a hush-hush taboo issue. Everyone has access to paying the players. Once more with Lincoln Riley at USC, Mario at Miami, Kirby at UGA, Kelly at LSU, Day at OSU, and Fisher at TAMU plus Heupel at Tenn, he can't waltz into any area in the country anymore and cherry pick the best players from all over. NOPE! That, coupled with the fact that he's not the only person that has a "compensation machine" behind him at Bama, things are going to be much tougher for him to do what he's done in the past.

Personally, I think even without those factors, he's still probably one of the greats if not these greatest of all time however, looking at it, this is a beast of his own doing. They were so "good" for many years, that the rest of college football had to catch up. They did, in a big way. I'll be interested to see how the Tide respond in this latest incarnation of college football with a more even playing ground, can they be as dominate as they once were? I think Ole Nick has at least one left in him but we'll see. Let me know your thoughts..
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Are you serious? He is still recruiting at the same level. Other teams, like Miami and a few others are recruiting much better than they were, because of NIL, and in our case, the addition of Mario as well, but no one is putting a dent in Saban’s recruiting, at least not yet that I’ve seen.
 
Saban just signed another #1 class. This is arguably his best class yet, and one of the 2 or 3 best classes of the 247 era.

I don’t think NIL will force Saban into retirement.
 
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Best we can hope for is fewer national title game appearances over the next 5-6 years from Saban due to other teams getting better.

Saban essentially made college football better by himself. Granted it has gotten boring in a sense but the hunger and the science of football is more on the cutting edge now than it ever has been. The science of recruiting is changing but Saban is still getting his guys.
 
ZuCrew said:
We've all been watching college football long enough to witness the re-emergence and dominance of Nick Saban and the Tide. He's considered the greatest CFB coach of all time and won 7 Nattty's, HOWEVER, what has been unsaid in the mainstream is the manner of HOW he got to that point pre-NIL and what the NIL means for him and the vaunted "process" afterward going to what many can consider the last leg of his coaching legacy.

So, I have the privilege of attending FUMA ( if you know, you know) for three years during is golden football days where I had the pleasure of seeing DJ Paterson (Harvard) and Chris Perry(U-M) play. Mark Filmore (NW) was a receiver on the JV football team I was on that year and Billy McMullen (VT) and Asad Abdul Khaliq(Minn) were PG's. Tons of memories of that place. The legendary Coach Micky Sullivan said this and I'm paraphrasing " Yea, we train and practice hard however more times than not, if you have the better players coming off the bus, you're usually going to win". Alot of year's that's what it was, we just had the better players. Which brings me to Ole Nick..

If he can win at least one more championship during this leg of his career, I'm going to be more impressed that any of the one's prior. Why? Well, it's because he's not playing with a stacked deck every year like before and now money to players is not a hush-hush taboo issue. Everyone has access to paying the players. Once more with Lincoln Riley at USC, Mario at Miami, Kirby at UGA, Kelly at LSU, Day at OSU, and Fisher at TAMU plus Heupel at Tenn, he can't waltz into any area in the country anymore and cherry pick the best players from all over. NOPE! That, coupled with the fact that he's not the only person that has a "compensation machine" behind him at Bama, things are going to be much tougher for him to do what he's done in the past.

Personally, I think even without those factors, he's still probably one of the greats if not these greatest of all time however, looking at it, this is a beast of his own doing. They were so "good" for many years, that the rest of college football had to catch up. They did, in a big way. I'll be interested to see how the Tide respond in this latest incarnation of college football with a more even playing ground, can they be as dominate as they once were? I think Ole Nick has at least one left in him but we'll see. Let me know your thoughts..
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Sounds like a great blog written by a crimson tide supporter.

I do always think of him when I drink coke though
 
1mg of Epi said:
Saban just signed another #1 class. This is arguably his best class yet, and one of the 2 or 3 best classes of the 247 era.

I don’t think NIL will force Saban into retirement.
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Idk why people think that bags and moving families to homes and ghost hiring of prospects family members isn’t still going on WITH NIL at bama
 
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