S&C Testing Results

[Big Sky Cane]

Have any of you morons ever lifted/trained to gain speed? Bigger does not = slower. Get it through your thick skulls.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Have any of you morons ever lifted/trained to gain speed? Bigger does not = slower. Get it through your thick skulls.

Tell that to Duke Johnson.

 

[moshated305]

Wow those numbers are horrible is it me or did we get slower. Crawford a 5.04?? Really

So we have a safety running slower times than some lineman :ttdG2M10mxVZxan.jpg

This is the slowest group of DBs we've ever had. No wonder we play 10 yards off WRs.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

Have any of you morons ever lifted/trained to gain speed? Bigger does not = slower. Get it through your thick skulls.

Tell that to Duke Johnson.

There is no definitive proof (40 times are highly subjective unless professionally laser timed). Plus....if Johnson didn't put on that weight, do you really think he would have been drafted as the 180 pound back he was out of high school? I think not.

Duke needed that weight for the next level....period. The question remains...have you ever trained for speed, strength and explosiveness?

 

[OrangetieFatface]

Have any of you morons ever lifted/trained to gain speed? Bigger does not = slower. Get it through your thick skulls.

Do you even gym bro?

You almost always sacrifice speed and agility for strength and power in the gym. They're not posting plyo numbers, they're posting the big 3 with pc in place of deads. That's bulking/cutting 101.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

Have any of you morons ever lifted/trained to gain speed? Bigger does not = slower. Get it through your thick skulls.

Do you even gym bro?

You almost always sacrifice speed and agility for strength and power in the gym. They're not posting plyo numbers, they're posting the big 3 with pc in place of deads. That's bulking/cutting 101.

Yeah I have and I've trained athletes to do the same. It doesn't have to be one with out the other. Gaining good weight, lower body stregth & proper running technique almost always equates to gaining speed. Period. If someone puts an obscene amount of weight on, does that mean they could get slower, sure. However, this is big time D1 college football and you can't have a bunch of 180 lb running backs and LB's roaming the field and expect to put up with that pounding day in, day out.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Have any of you morons ever lifted/trained to gain speed? Bigger does not = slower. Get it through your thick skulls.

Tell that to Duke Johnson.

There is no definitive proof (40 times are highly subjective unless professionally laser timed). Plus....if Johnson didn't put on that weight, do you really think he would have been drafted as the 180 pound back he was out of high school? I think not.

Duke needed that weight for the next level....period. The question remains...have you ever trained for speed, strength and explosiveness?

If that line of thinking makes you feel better that's great. But my eyes told me everything I needed to know about Dukes weight and his speed.

Yes I've trained for massive explosiveness. Peter North style.

Beach now what?

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Have any of you morons ever lifted/trained to gain speed? Bigger does not = slower. Get it through your thick skulls.

Do you even gym bro?

You almost always sacrifice speed and agility for strength and power in the gym. They're not posting plyo numbers, they're posting the big 3 with pc in place of deads. That's bulking/cutting 101.

Yeah I have and I've trained athletes to do the same. It doesn't have to be one with out the other. Gaining good weight, lower body stregth & proper running technique almost always equates to gaining speed. Period. If someone puts an obscene amount of weight on, does that mean they could get slower, sure. However, this is big time D1 college football and you can't have a bunch of 180 lb running backs and LB's roaming the field and expect to put up with that pounding day in, day out.

That statement in and of it's self tells me how out of touch you are with reality.

 

[OrangetieFatface]

Have any of you morons ever lifted/trained to gain speed? Bigger does not = slower. Get it through your thick skulls.

Do you even gym bro?

You almost always sacrifice speed and agility for strength and power in the gym. They're not posting plyo numbers, they're posting the big 3 with pc in place of deads. That's bulking/cutting 101.

Yeah I have and I've trained athletes to do the same. It doesn't have to be one with out the other. Gaining good weight, lower body stregth & proper running technique almost always equates to gaining speed. Period. If someone puts an obscene amount of weight on, does that mean they could get slower, sure. However, this is big time D1 college football and you can't have a bunch of 180 lb running backs and LB's roaming the field and expect to put up with that pounding day in, day out.

Looking at their numbers, none of them stand out to me as explosive except Berrios, who incidentally weighs 180. And Coleys as explosive as a 30 year old who smokes and works 60 hours a week(we have about the same 1rm across the board).

Nothing here screams "big time D1 college football," to me. Looks more like smoke and mirrors to people who don't know the inside of a gym.

But you're the expert. I guess they're getting faster if you say so.

 

[Miami Nights]

I thought golden was In charge of s&c and had some great work out program. Lmao

 

[Big Sky Cane]

Looking at their numbers, none of them stand out to me as explosive except Berrios, who incidentally weighs 180. And Coleys as explosive as a 30 year old who smokes and works 60 hours a week(we have about the same 1rm across the board).

Nothing here screams "big time D1 college football," to me. Looks more like smoke and mirrors to people who don't know the inside of a gym.

But you're the expert. I guess they're getting faster if you say so.

I'm not debating whether or not our team is currently "explosive or fast". Those times aren't particiularly impressive I'll agree.

I'm trying to debunk the notion that getting bigger or gaining weight = getting slower. My little brother played college ball for 5 years and gained 30 lbs. of muscle and shaved almost .4 off his 40 time. Went from a 5.1 40 freshman year to a 4.69 as a Sr. (He worked his *** off mind you) His experience has been similar to other athletes I have trained.....Bigger, Faster and Stronger. Not one without the other.

 

[brock]

Looking at their numbers, none of them stand out to me as explosive except Berrios, who incidentally weighs 180. And Coleys as explosive as a 30 year old who smokes and works 60 hours a week(we have about the same 1rm across the board).

Nothing here screams "big time D1 college football," to me. Looks more like smoke and mirrors to people who don't know the inside of a gym.

But you're the expert. I guess they're getting faster if you say so.

I'm not debating whether or not our team is currently "explosive or fast". Those times aren't particiularly impressive I'll agree.

I'm trying to debunk the notion that getting bigger or gaining weight = getting slower. My little brother played college ball for 5 years and gained 30 lbs. of muscle and shaved almost .4 off his 40 time. Went from a 5.1 40 freshman year to a 4.69 as a Sr. (He worked his *** off mind you) His experience has been similar to other athletes I have trained.....Bigger, Faster and Stronger. Not one without the other.

Bigger, faster, stronger is always the consistent mainstay in weight lifting for football players..... Just because you put on weight doesn't mean you get slower. People love to say Duke put on too much weight but in all reality it made him more draftable for the NFL. You don't see 180 pound halfbacks being taken in the draft. While Duke put on weight he looked faster and more explosive. The biggest misconception with Duke is that he was some type of burner. No he has never been he has always had elite speed/acceleration more so in the first 40 yards and was excellent at using his stuff arm, had great vision, and was elusive... That added weight helped him in particular finish the whole season and have his best rushing year in his career at miami

 

[OrangetieFatface]

Looking at their numbers, none of them stand out to me as explosive except Berrios, who incidentally weighs 180. And Coleys as explosive as a 30 year old who smokes and works 60 hours a week(we have about the same 1rm across the board).

Nothing here screams "big time D1 college football," to me. Looks more like smoke and mirrors to people who don't know the inside of a gym.

But you're the expert. I guess they're getting faster if you say so.

I'm not debating whether or not our team is currently "explosive or fast". Those times aren't particiularly impressive I'll agree.

I'm trying to debunk the notion that getting bigger or gaining weight = getting slower. My little brother played college ball for 5 years and gained 30 lbs. of muscle and shaved almost .4 off his 40 time. Went from a 5.1 40 freshman year to a 4.69 as a Sr. (He worked his *** off mind you) His experience has been similar to other athletes I have trained.....Bigger, Faster and Stronger. Not one without the other.

Huh? I'm very much making the argument that getting bulkier makes you slower. Want to get faster in the gym? Plyometrics and Olympic lifts. But those aren't the lifts listed on this covetous message board. What were looking at is a brag session about raw strength. One rep max. Weight gain.

Just to add on to this, from the "mess hall" video, I take it they don't focus on nutrition either. If I had to cherry pick people from the list who take their bodies seriously its probably berrios aqm and gray. Its not about the 2 hours in the gym, true gains happen during the 22 hours in the kitchen. My beef isn't with the weight gain or speed loss. It's the appearance that theres no real expert or program here besides "pick **** up and put it back down until youre a beast." Granted I didn't really study the numbers or put much stock in any of them, this is all first glance impressions at no fault of the players who undoubtedly are putting the time. Its an indictment on the directionless program.

 

[dk72]

Have any of you morons ever lifted/trained to gain speed? Bigger does not = slower. Get it through your thick skulls.

Tell that to Duke Johnson.

The Duke Johnson that broke the UM single season rushing record and was drafted? The Duke Johnson that would have been a late round pick seen as nothing more than an occasional change-of-pace back and possibly kick returner if he stayed at 180?

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

Speed is more important for defense, than offense.

Offense is rote, you know what the play & snap count is.

The defense is almost always 2 steps behind, so you need an exceptional athlete that can make up those 2 steps.

Not saying an offensive player doesn't have to be athletic, but there are other redeeming principles & qualities that can make up for lack of speed on offense.

 

[rickay]

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Holy **** the NFL combine record is 49...I know its obligatory to **** on everything around here but that's pretty incredible

 

[LuCane]

Speed is more important for defense, than offense.

Offense is rote, you know what the play & snap count is.

The defense is almost always 2 steps behind, so you need an exceptional athlete that can make up those 2 steps.

Not saying an offensive player doesn't have to be athletic, but there are other redeeming principles & qualities that can make up for lack of speed on offense.

That's why, schematically, you'd want your defensive philosophy and approach to be layered in disguise and aggression, respectively. If the offense already knows exactly what they're going to try to do, and then you add that they'll generally know where and what the defense will be, the result isn't surprising: defenders will not only fail to make up the 2 steps you mentioned, but also be another step or two behind from the offense being able to anticipate their position.

It's why you see Miami players *look* less talented than they are in reality.

 

[CarolCityHigh]

Not sure why everyone thinks we got slower this year. We lost DP4, yes he was our fastest guy but we did not lose anyone else from last year with elite speed. Duke and A. Crawford were fast but nothing special. Our team speed will be about the same as last year with the exception of PD4.

Look at the list again; the only guys with significant drops are Herb and Corn. Corn’s average of the 3 times last year was 4.46 and Herb was 4.39. I’m almost certain that both Herb and Corn will run under a 4.50 by the time July comes around. Everyone else came back at around the same speed or better. 2 of our faster players also did not test this year (Lewis & Berrios).

Got Slower:
+0.22 4.55 (4.33): 6 Herb Waters WR 6-2 195 Sr.
+0.15 4.52 (4.37): 29 Corn Elder DB 5-10 183 Jr.
+0.04 4.53 (4.49): 7 Gus Edwards RB 6-2 230 Jr

Got Faster:
-0.11 4.38 (4.49): 5 Jermaine Grace LB 6-1 208 Jr.
-0.09 4.55 (4.64): 11 Rashawn Scott WR 6-2 205 RSr.
-0.05 4.57 (4.62): 2 Joseph Yearby RB 5-9 195 So.
-0.03 4.58 (4.61): 27 Ryan Mayes DB 6-1 203 RFr.
-0.07 4.62 (4.69): 51 Juwon Young LB 6-2 245 So.
-0.19 4.64 (4.83): 82 Tyre Brady WR 6-3 204 So.

About the Same:
+0.01 4.41 (4.40): 3 Stacy Coley WR 6-1 187 Jr.
+0.02 4.49 (4.47): 1 Artie Burns DB 6-0 193 Jr.
+0.02 4.65 (4.63): 16 Justin Vogel P/K 6-4 208 Jr.
+0.01 4.70 (4.69): 17 D'Mauri Jones WR 6-4 196 RJr.

No time from Last Year:
NA 4.55 (DNR): 2 Deon Bush DB 6-1 205 (198) Sr.
NA 4.46 (DNR): 24 Josh Johnson DB 5-5 168 RSo.
NA 4.54 (DNR): 32 Trayone Gray RB 6-2 215 So.
NA 4.56 (DNR): 8 Braxton Berrios WR 5-9 183 So.
NA 4.63 (DNR): 49 Joel Evans RB 5-6 185 Fr.
NA 4.63 (DNR): 34 Charles Perry LB 6-1 212 Fr.
NA 4.68 (DNR): 1 Darrell Langham WR 6-4 212 RFr.
NA 4.69 (DNR): 41 Wyatt Chickillo LB 6-0 224 RSo

No Time this year:
4.41 9 Malcolm Lewis WR 6-0 189 RJr.
4.52 3 Tracy Howard DB 5-11 191 Sr.
4.59 56 Raphael Kirby LB 6-1 235 Sr.
4.62 6 Jamal Carter DB 6-1 209 Jr.
4.63 17 Tyriq McCord LB 6-3 236 Sr.
4.67 86 David Njoku TE 6-4 240 RFr.
4.69 12 Malik Rosier QB 6-1 212 RFr.
4.70 8 Al-Quadin Muhammad DL 6-3 260 RSo.
4.71 31 Demetrius Jackson DL 6-5 250 RFr.

Do you have their short shuttle and 3 cone drills for this testing period? See in any improvement was made there.

 

[ACKCANE]

Wow those numbers are horrible is it me or did we get slower. Crawford a 5.04?? Really

So we have a safety running slower times than some lineman :ttdG2M10mxVZxan.jpg

This is the slowest group of DBs we've ever had. No wonder we play 10 yards off WRs.

Look at the recruiting video ... That's the Temple plan!

 

[JgDaCane]

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