Ruiz potentially suing the NCAA….

Yeah. I particularly want to validate the LeBatard stuff. For his entire life (and I knew him in undergrad, lived in the same dorm, took many of the same classes, worked with him on the school newspaper), he has put "Dan LeBatard" first and has not cared about how much damage he does to everyone else. From his very first suspension (at The Miami Hurricane school newspaper for printing Lou Holtz's home phone number) to the back-stabbing of his former friends (UM athletes on whom he ratted to try to get a better job beyond the 305 area code), Dan LeBatard has always rationalized his bad behavior and tried to convince everyone that they have the wrong opinion of him.

**** his later success on radio and TV. Doesn't change who he is or how he operates.
If I told you the number of former Cane players who'd love nothing better than to Bash him in his face, you'd be stunned.
 
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If they had something else they would’ve gotten us for it. This is all they came up with.

I think that disassociation language opens them up for torts trouble if they ever go there. Tortious interference, defamation… someone’s going to get impacted and test the courts.


In its typically ****y entitled fashion, the NCAA just HAD to use language that indicated they were MAD about not being able to punish Ruiz more. They could have been helpful to ALL colleges by saying "we want to make clear that future violations of this type will involve these particular penalties", but noooooo. They had to pout about not being able to punish someone MORE, even though they gave NO ADVANCE GUIDANCE.

******* NCAA children. Spoiled children too.
 
So are you one of the entitled rat fink weasel “miami fans” calling Ruiz names, telling him to stfu as he funds our NIL game with millions as the NCAA ****s us yet again for bull**** while others like the gator skate free or are you one of the appreciative regular people here who simply prefer that our money and moves came in silence?
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Except that’s not what the NCAA is saying happened.


“The NCAA said Meier exchanged text messages with Ruiz saying that she would make sure the Cavinder twins knew who he was after HE tried to arrange a meeting with them before their official visit to campus last summer.”


Nope. You are wrong.

Here is what happened.

First, two "things" happened at roughly the same time. One is that the Cavinders were in the Portal and had an unofficial visit set up with Miami. Separately, UM had an event to introduce Dan and Mario to the UM community, and then included Jim and Katie in that event as well.

Second, Katie met John Ruiz FOR THE FIRST TIME at this Dan-Mario introductory event, and a communication began. The point of this is not to definitively establish "who initiated contact", but to point out that an ONGOING CONVERSATION arose. Which is exactly what happens at these events, at every college in the country.

Now, let's be VERY specific. The NCAA chose to word its findings in a particular way. To incite MAXIMUM conclusions of "bad things". Nefarious activity. Dark shadows that would give rise to the OBVIOUS CONCLUSION that what happened was clearly against the rules that the NCAA refused to clarify in advance.

Examples?

---Jim and Katie received "late invitations". WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT? Because after whiffing on its attempt to nail football, the NCAA is attempting to manufacture causality between what they DID FIND (a women's basketball violation) and the evil Miami NIL efforts that have clearly impacted football more than any other UM sport (there ARE more football players than basketball players, but I digress).

---The NCAA's language about the "true intent" of the event, whether it was a "university wide celebration" or a horrible event for "boosters and donors". There's a difference? Good lord, I've gone to B-School and Law School celebrations in which there was a hope (or expectation) that money would be donated. But to read the NCAA's language, they make it sound like poor poor Katie was tricked into coming to a booster/donor function that she had no intent to join otherwise.

---The "NIL guy" quote? What? I'm sure that's the ONLY thing Katie ever said about Mr. Ruiz, right? And I'm sure the NCAA only tightly quoted that phrase, completely out of context, in a good-hearted effort to be completely accurate and not-at-all-misleading, right? Give me a mother****ing break. Do you want to know how to spin something your way, while NOT misleading people? You provide THE WHOLE QUOTE, and then you put the key phrases in ALL CAPS or bold or BOTH. Unless, of course, the whole quote doesn't help the NCAA?

I could go on and on. And probably will in a separate post. But the fact remains, there is a pretty clear chain of events (regardless of how the NCAA tries to spin it into dark and evil behavior):

---Ruiz family attended a UM event they were invited to, and have conversations with coaches (permissible). They discuss some recruits with a coach (permissible), even though the NCAA attempts to make it sound horrible (how did the evil Ruiz family KNOW that the Cavinders were being recruited, they could not have possibly figured it out by reading websites, right?).

---Katie Meier DOES DUE DILIGENCE on the Ruiz family (as she SHOULD do in a post-Nevin-world-landscape).

---In the back-and-forth, John Ruiz indicates that on the abbreviated visit, which Katie was not even 100% involved in (due to other obligations), the Cavinder's NIL agent has indicated that the twins are ENTHUSIASTIC about talking with him, but have some time constraints.

---Now let's analyze two elements that you seem to think are so nefarious. (A) Katie Meier told John Ruiz that she would make sure the Cavinders "know who you are". But, as already established, the Cavinders already knew who John Ruiz was. So the issue of whether Katie's comments are just bluster is worth discussing. At no point is she setting up a meeting, discussing money, or doing a first introduction. So all she is doing FOR MILLIONAIRE TWINS WHO ALREADY HAVE MAJOR BUSINESS DEALINGS AND PROBABLY GET PHONE CALLS ALL THE TIME is saying "hey, I'll let them know that you are a businessman in South Florida, not just some rando looking to meet hot young girls". (B) Katie Meier then asks an assistant coach to let the Cavinder twins know that John Ruiz is a LEGITIMATE BUSINESSMAN. Which is true. So she's just vouching for him. "Yes, I've met the man, yes, he has a business that is about to go public, yes, he's not some creepy guy like you encounter at Penn State or Ohio State or Michigan State".

---So what's the NCAA's next brilliant conclusion? "As a result of the assistant coach's call, the prospects agreed to meet with the booster." REALLY? Who admitted this? Clearly, the Cavinders are saying otherwise. We have no idea whether the Cavinders even met with the NCAA. But, suddenly, the NCAA has created CAUSALITY. And for what? Because Katie and/or the assistant coach are conveying that John Ruiz is a legit businessperson? You know, since I heard NOTHING about how Katie arranged the meeting, or set the terms, or pushed a connection...

I'll wrap this up by focusing on a few key takeaways here.

First, the NCAA keeps talking about Katie Meier "making introductions". But, clearly, Mr. Ruiz had already made his own introductions BEFORE Katie (and/or her assistant) said a word. And what Katie (and/or her assistant) did was to VOUCH for Mr. Ruiz's legitimacy. It's like if Slingblade Billy Napier told Jaden Rashada "hey, you know that Collective that has been calling you nonstop, yeah, they are completely legit and have paid every NIL deal that they have promised to recruits". That's not an introduction, that's telling a recruit that THIS ONE is above-board and trustworthy.

Second, if the issue is Katie Meier (and/or her assistant) MAKING THE CALL, and not, you know, the SUBSTANCE of the call, then it's a technical violation. How the NCAA keeps turning the phone call into an "introduction" when no "introduction" was made, I have no idea. But, yeah, if the phone call is wrong JUST BECAUSE IT HAPPENED, then I guess there's no further discussion to be had.

Third, take note of the selective way that the NCAA tells its story. For instance, how Katie felt "uncomfortable" with the situation? Could it be that Katie thought it was WRONG? Of course! Because that's what the NCAA WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE. But could it be because NIL was BRAND-NEW and because Katie had never dealt with high-profile recruits who were ALREADY MILLIONAIRES, and that maybe she just wasn't accustomed to situations where women's sports could enjoy the same kind of attention and support and benefits that men's football and basketball had received FOR DECADES?

The point of all of this is simple. Words can be used in a very powerful way, to get you to pre-judge a situation, and maybe even your own conclusions. I am not trying to pull a Tucker Carlson and convince you that the Cavinders were just on a sightseeing tour of South Florida. But what I am trying to say is that the NCAA has cherry-picked its "quoted words" and conclusory language to convince the world that there was a causality between Katie (and/or her assistant coach) vouching for John Ruiz to a family that has probably already received more NIL overtures from unknown people than 99.9% of all other college athletes.

And it is RIDICULOUS for Miami fans to just swallow the NCAA bait hook-line-and-sinker and accept the NCAA's clearly biased characterization on its face value.
 
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Maybe Ruiz could argue that by being unfairly labeled a "booster" by the NCAA, it's caused athletes to avoid signing NIL contracts with him, and as a result it's harmed his business because he couldn't get top-tier talent to advertise. If he's talking to a UF player, the Gator might not want to get involved in a business deal with a "UM booster." And UM players may avoid signing with Lifewallet because they know the NCAA is keeping an eye on Ruiz and they don't want to deal with the headache. Damages would be speculative, but seems he'd just need one athlete to say he or she didn't sign with Lifewallet because the NCAA labeled Ruiz a booster to establish he's been harmed.


He's already got proof of a Gaytor player who backed out of an NIL deal because of (bogus) information provided by Gaytor sources.
 
Maybe Ruiz could argue that by being unfairly labeled a "booster" by the NCAA, it's caused athletes to avoid signing NIL contracts with him, and as a result it's harmed his business because he couldn't get top-tier talent to advertise. If he's talking to a UF player, the Gator might not want to get involved in a business deal with a "UM booster." And UM players may avoid signing with Lifewallet because they know the NCAA is keeping an eye on Ruiz and they don't want to deal with the headache. Damages would be speculative, but seems he'd just need one athlete to say he or she didn't sign with Lifewallet because the NCAA labeled Ruiz a booster to establish he's been harmed.
I think that is the precise damage argument Ruiz would make. The problem may be that the athletes will continue to work with him regardless. This is a good problem in real life but an actual problem when trying to assess damages in court. Personally I don’t think the athletes will care about this NC2A issue one bit but we shall see. As long as the checks still cash.
 
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Nope. You are wrong.

Here is what happened.

First, two "things" happened at roughly the same time. One is that the Cavinders were in the Portal and had an unofficial visit set up with Miami. Separately, UM had an event to introduce Dan and Mario to the UM community, and then included Jim and Katie in that event as well.

Second, Katie met John Ruiz FOR THE FIRST TIME at this Dan-Mario introductory event, and a communication began. The point of this is not to definitively establish "who initiated contact", but to point out that an ONGOING CONVERSATION arose. Which is exactly what happens at these events, at every college in the country.

Now, let's be VERY specific. The NCAA chose to word its findings in a particular way. To incite MAXIMUM conclusions of "bad things". Nefarious activity. Dark shadows that would give rise to the OBVIOUS CONCLUSION that what happened was clearly against the rules that the NCAA refused to clarify in advance.

Examples?

---Jim and Katie received "late invitations". WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT? Because after whiffing on its attempt to nail football, the NCAA is attempting to manufacture causality between what they DID FIND (a women's basketball violation) and the evil Miami NIL efforts that have clearly impacted football more than any other UM sport (there ARE more football players than basketball players, but I digress).

---The NCAA's language about the "true intent" of the event, whether it was a "university wide celebration" or a horrible event for "boosters and donors". There's a difference? Good lord, I've gone to B-School and Law School celebrations in which there was a hope (or expectation) that money would be donated. But to read the NCAA's language, they make it sound like poor poor Katie was tricked into coming to a booster/donor function that she had no intent to join otherwise.

---The "NIL guy" quote? What? I'm sure that's the ONLY thing Katie ever said about Mr. Ruiz, right? And I'm sure the NCAA only tightly quoted that phrase, completely out of context, in a good-hearted effort to be completely accurate and not-at-all-misleading, right? Give me a mother****ing break. Do you want to know how to spin something your way, while NOT misleading people? You provide THE WHOLE QUOTE, and then you put the key phrased in ALL CAPS or bold or BOTH. Unless, of course, the whole quote doesn't help the NCAA?

I could go on and on. And probably will in a separate post. But the fact remains, there is a pretty clear chain of events (regardless of how the NCAA tries to spin it into dark and evil behavior):

---Ruiz family attended a UM event they were invited to, and have a conversation with coaches (permissible). They discuss some recruits with a coach (permissible), even though the NCAA attempts to make it sound horrible (how did the evil Ruiz family KNOW that the Cavinders were being recruited, they could not have possibly figured it out by reading websites, right?).

---Katie Meier DOES DUE DILIGENCE on the Ruiz family (as she SHOULD do in a post-Nevin-world-landscape).

---In the back-and-forth, John Ruiz indicates that on the abbreviated visit, which Katie was not even 100% involved in (due to other obligations), the Cavinder's NIL agent has indicated that the twins are ENTHUSIASTIC, but have some time constraints.

---Now let's analyze two elements that you seem to think are so nefarious. (A) Katie Meier told John Ruiz that she would make sure the Cavinders "know who you are". But, as already established, the Cavinders already knew who John Ruiz was. So the issue of whether Katie's comments are just bluster is worth discussing. At no point is she setting up a meeting, discussing money, or doing a first introduction. So all she is doing FOR TWINS WHO ALREADY HAVE MAJOR BUSINESS DEALINGS AND PROBABLY GET PHONE CALLS ALL THE TIME is saying "hey, I'll let them know that you are a businessman in South Florida, not just some rando looking to meet hot young girls". (B) Katie Meier then asks an assistant coach to let the Cavinder twins know that John Ruiz is a LEGITIMATE BUSINESSMAN. Which is true. So she's just vouching for him. "Yes, I've met the man, yes, he has a business that is about to go public, yes, he's not some creepy guy like you encounter at Penn State or Ohio State or Michigan State".

---So what's the NCAA's next brilliant conclusion? "As a result of the assistant coach's call, the prospects agreed to meet with the booster." REALLY? Who admitted this? Clearly, the Cavinders are saying otherwise. We have no idea whether the Cavinders even met with the NCAA. But, suddenly, the NCAA has created CAUSALITY. And for what? Because Katies and/or the assistant coach are conveying that John Ruiz is a legit businessperson? You know, since I heard NOTHING about how Katie arranged the meeting, or set the terms, or pushed a connection.

I'll wrap this up by focusing on a few key takeaways here.

First, the NCAA keeps talking about Katie Meier "making introductions". But, clearly, Mr. Ruiz had already made his own introductions BEFORE Katie (or her assistant) said a word. And what Katie (and/or her assistant did) was to VOUCH for Mr. Ruiz's legitimacy. It's like if Slingblade Billy Napier told Jaden Rashada "hey, you know that Collective that has been calling you nonstop, yeah, they are completely legit and have paid every NIL deal that they have promised to recruits". That's not an introduction, that's telling a recruit that THIS ONE is above-board and trustworthy.

Second, if the issue is Katie Meier (and/or her assistant) MAKING THE CALL, and not, you know, the SUBSTANCE of the call, then it's a technical violation. How the NCAA keeps turning the phone call into an "introduction" when no "introduction" was made, I have no idea. But, yeah, if the phone call is wrong JUST BECAUSE IT HAPPENED, then I guess there's no further discussion to be had.

Third, take note of the selective way that the NCAA tells its story. For instance, how Katie felt "uncomfortable" with the situation? Could it be that Katie thought it was WRONG? Of course! Because that's what the NCAA WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE. But could it be because NIL was BRAND-NEW and because Katie had never dealt with high-profile recruits who were ALREADY MILLIONAIRES, and that maybe she just wasn't accustomed to situations where women's sports could enjoy the same kind of attention and support and benefits that men's football and basketball had received FOR DECADES?

The point of all of this is simple. Words can be used in a very powerful way, to get you to pre-judge a situation, and maybe even your own conclusions. I am not trying to pull a Tucker Carlson and convince you that the Cavinders were just on a sightseeing tour of South Florida. But what I am trying to say is that the NCAA has cherry-picked its "quoted words" and conclusory language to convince the world that there was a causality between Katie (and/or her assistant coach) vouching for John Ruiz to a family that has probably already received more NIL overtures from unknown people than 99.9% of all other college athletes.

And it is RIDICULOUS for Miami fans to just swallow the NCAA bait hook-line-and-sinker and accept the NCAA's clearly biased characterization on its face value.
This is great work. I wish we had an emoji for that. @RVACane is there a way to tack this somewhere as a reference for the details of this investigation?
If people could just refer to this post we could save a lot of time rehashing the facts.
 
I think that is the precise damage argument Ruiz would make. The problem may be that the athletes will continue to work with him regardless. This is a good problem in real life but an actual problem when trying to assess damages in court. Personally I don’t think the athletes will care about this NC2A issue one bit but we shall see. As long as the checks still cash.

It's hard to prove that something would have happened... if...

But he can show a million online and print articles, twitter posts (and RT's), message board posts across the sports world, facebooks posts, etc, etc that will probably add up to 10's of millions of impressions, if not more, all besmirching his name (slandering?). That's quantifiable. What that gets him, you might know better than me. But he can make it ugly af for the NCAA, and as I've said, I really, really don't think they want this to get to discovery.
 
We might need to add another data cloud.


Man, I love you and @AtlAtty .

I just wish people would read the actual ruling, instead of news articles that purport to summarize the actual ruling.

Again, I understand the NCAA's position on (belatedly) trying to set some limits and guidelines. But (a) the NCAA doesn't have to act like a spoiled brat because they didn't get to crucify John Ruiz, and (b) the NCAA doesn't have to spin the ruling with selective quotations and loaded language just because they want to scare every other member institution in the NCAA.

I implore everyone on this board to:

---read the ruling
---think about what the NCAA chooses to say, the facts they choose to highlight, and the language they choose to use
---TRY TO IMAGINE a world in which people like John Ruiz and Katie Meier are trying to do the right thing, BUT HAVE BEEN GIVEN ZERO GUIDANCE, RULES, OR INTERPRETATIONS BY THE NCAA

If, at the end of the day, you still want to vilify John Ruiz and tell us about how you would have done everything differently, that is your choice, but at least you would have confronted the reality AND STILL CHOSEN TO UNLOAD YOUR BOWELS ON MIAMI AND THE RUIZ FAMILY.

That's all I can ask of anyone.

Informed defecation.
 
Man, I love you and @AtlAtty .

I just wish people would read the actual ruling, instead of news articles that purport to summarize the actual ruling.

Again, I understand the NCAA's position on (belatedly) trying to set some limits and guidelines. But (a) the NCAA doesn't have to act like a spoiled brat because they didn't get to crucify John Ruiz, and (b) the NCAA doesn't have to spin the ruling with selective quotations and loaded language just because they want to scare every other member institution in the NCAA.

I implore everyone on this board to:

---read the ruling
---think about what the NCAA chooses to say, the facts they choose to highlight, and the language they choose to use
---TRY TO IMAGINE a world in which people like John Ruiz and Katie Meier are trying to do the right thing, BUT HAVE BEEN GIVEN ZERO GUIDANCE, RULES, OR INTERPRETATIONS BY THE NCAA

If, at the end of the day, you still want to vilify John Ruiz and tell us about how you would have done everything differently, that is your choice, but at least you would have confronted the reality AND STILL CHOSEN TO UNLOAD YOUR BOWELS ON MIAMI AND THE RUIZ FAMILY.

That's all I can ask of anyone.

Informed defecation.
Per @AtlAtty I have posted a sticky thread with a direct link to the post.

 
Man, I love you and @AtlAtty .

I just wish people would read the actual ruling, instead of news articles that purport to summarize the actual ruling.

Again, I understand the NCAA's position on (belatedly) trying to set some limits and guidelines. But (a) the NCAA doesn't have to act like a spoiled brat because they didn't get to crucify John Ruiz, and (b) the NCAA doesn't have to spin the ruling with selective quotations and loaded language just because they want to scare every other member institution in the NCAA.

I implore everyone on this board to:

---read the ruling
---think about what the NCAA chooses to say, the facts they choose to highlight, and the language they choose to use
---TRY TO IMAGINE a world in which people like John Ruiz and Katie Meier are trying to do the right thing, BUT HAVE BEEN GIVEN ZERO GUIDANCE, RULES, OR INTERPRETATIONS BY THE NCAA

If, at the end of the day, you still want to vilify John Ruiz and tell us about how you would have done everything differently, that is your choice, but at least you would have confronted the reality AND STILL CHOSEN TO UNLOAD YOUR BOWELS ON MIAMI AND THE RUIZ FAMILY.

That's all I can ask of anyone.

Informed defecation.
Well they actually can’t post false information in here without recourse. This is a Miami Hurricanes fan board as you know. We support the the Canes. Ruiz has done a lot to help Miami players with NIL. Jealous “supposed fan” loudmouths don’t get to freely use our forum to help the NCAA undermine UM. They’re not taking over here.

My only question is why UM agreed to a settlement? My guess is that there’s politics and they were afraid of another long, drawn out cloud.
 
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Man, I love you and @AtlAtty .

I just wish people would read the actual ruling, instead of news articles that purport to summarize the actual ruling.

Again, I understand the NCAA's position on (belatedly) trying to set some limits and guidelines. But (a) the NCAA doesn't have to act like a spoiled brat because they didn't get to crucify John Ruiz, and (b) the NCAA doesn't have to spin the ruling with selective quotations and loaded language just because they want to scare every other member institution in the NCAA.

I implore everyone on this board to:

---read the ruling
---think about what the NCAA chooses to say, the facts they choose to highlight, and the language they choose to use
---TRY TO IMAGINE a world in which people like John Ruiz and Katie Meier are trying to do the right thing, BUT HAVE BEEN GIVEN ZERO GUIDANCE, RULES, OR INTERPRETATIONS BY THE NCAA

If, at the end of the day, you still want to vilify John Ruiz and tell us about how you would have done everything differently, that is your choice, but at least you would have confronted the reality AND STILL CHOSEN TO UNLOAD YOUR BOWELS ON MIAMI AND THE RUIZ FAMILY.

That's all I can ask of anyone.

Informed defecation.
I think that’s all anyone can ask for - an INFORMED counter argument. Winging it or cherry picking certain pieces and parts to justify an agenda are irresponsible at best.
 
Maybe Ruiz could argue that by being unfairly labeled a "booster" by the NCAA, it's caused athletes to avoid signing NIL contracts with him, and as a result it's harmed his business because he couldn't get top-tier talent to advertise. If he's talking to a UF player, the Gator might not want to get involved in a business deal with a "UM booster." And UM players may avoid signing with Lifewallet because they know the NCAA is keeping an eye on Ruiz and they don't want to deal with the headache. Damages would be speculative, but seems he'd just need one athlete to say he or she didn't sign with Lifewallet because the NCAA labeled Ruiz a booster to establish he's been harmed.
There is the instance of the Gator long snapper that had to back out of his NIL agreement with LifeWallet because of Gator pressure.
 
Well they actually can’t post false information in here without recourse. This is a Miami Hurricanes fan board as you know. We support the the Canes. Ruiz has done a lot to help Miami players with NIL. Jealous “supposed fan” loudmouths don’t get to use our forum to help the NCAA undermine UM. They’re not taking over here.

My only question is why UM agreed to a settlement? My guess is that there’s politics and they were afraid of another long, drawn out cloud.


Speaking solely from my impressions of past NCAA investigations, the NCAA usually doesn't allow the schools and the boosters and the players to share information about what is happening, and certainly not in a measure that allows everyone to have an understanding of the full impact of what is happening.

And don't even get me started on how the NCAA worded its finding.

Overall, what I mean is this.

Let's say Katie DOES say that she felt "uncomfortable". It's a word. What does it mean? Well, because it is not an aversarial criminal proceeding, you don't have things like representation of the "accused" or cross-examination. Things that you and I take for granted (such as a competent attorney redirecting questions such as "Ms. Meier, WHY did you say that you felt 'uncomfortable'?") are simply not the province of the NCAA. Nope, the NCAA is all about giving you the rope to hang yourself with, and then writing up HIGHLY slanted summaries which presume one-and-only-one interpretation (obviously THE NCAA'S INTERPRETATION).

So when you put everyone in a "separate room" so to speak, and then never give anyone a chance to respond or redirect or cross, then all you are left with is a "record" of a bunch of people's first responses to questions. And a questioning body that is only too eager to leap to assumptions by interpreting (or misinterpreting) everything you said in the worst possible light that is most helpful to them and most harmful to yourself.

It's a load of crap. And don't get me wrong, I can see where people can lie or give self-serving testimony. This can cut two ways. But it's possible...juuuuust posssssible...to imagine that these two situations are NOT the same and that there might be MUCH MORE motivation to lie (as well as a far greater need for the NCAA to assess substantial penalties:

1. Scenario 1, where there has been a "vouch-for-me" phone call between a coach and recruits, and a DINNER is the sole "impermissible benefit" offered; and,

2. Scenario 2, where a FOURTEEN MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT has been offered by a collective to induce a recruit to breach a previously agreed-upon contract with another company in another location, and then when that FOURTEEN MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT is repudiated by said collective, there is strong evidence of the interconnected efforts of the "collective" and the "athletic department", in terms of granting a release from a valid, signed LOI (also known as a "contract").
 
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