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RVACane said:
I know some Nova grads and a Cooley grad in particular who have down pretty well. You’d be surprised.
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Same. You know Cooley grads? From Michigan?
My wife is a law professor at John Marshall Law School in Atlanta, a “3rd tier” law school. And yet I keep seeing billboards of her former students all over Atlanta. They had to put out a shingle but that never stopped the best of them from being very successful. Sure they won’t be hired by the big firms but all that means is they learn early in their legal careers that working for themselves is better than being on the clock. My classmates from Emory took 5-10 years to figure that out.
 
AtlAtty said:
Same. You know Cooley grads? From Michigan?
My wife is a law professor at John Marshall Law School in Atlanta, a “3rd tier” law school. And yet I keep seeing billboards of her former students all over Atlanta. They had to put out a shingle but that never stopped the best of them from being very successful. Sure they won’t be hired by the big firms but all that means is they learn early in their legal careers that working for themselves is better than being on the clock. My classmates from Emory took 5-10 years to figure that out.
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from experience, i say it depends on the person. owning a business is a challenge in its own right. it works for some (esp those w clients or connections to gain clients) but not for others (some like being part of a firm where theyre assigned work and the pay is consistent). big law is overrated imo but the billing reqs are lower to the same as working at some of the firms in FL for a lot more money. the biggest boon for working big law is that you end up on an easier path to work in house when youre finally tired of billing and the never turn off nature that it entails.
 
McGahee2TheHouse said:
I wish I would have taken the scholarship I had from Nova rather than pay what I did to go to UM (which was such a mediocre experience).
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i agree w this. UM i wouldnt consider worth it. i tell people if you get inot a state law school end up there. UF, FIU, FSU etc are such a better value for the same level of job prospects.
 
hoops156 said:
from experience, i say it depends on the person. owning a business is a challenge in its own right. it works for some (esp those w clients or connections to gain clients) but not for others (some like being part of a firm where theyre assigned work and the pay is consistent). big law is overrated imo but the billing reqs are lower to the same as working at some of the firms in FL for a lot more money. the biggest boon for working big law is that you end up on an easier path to work in house when youre finally tired of billing and the never turn off nature that it entails.
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I liked owning my own firm but as you noted, I got lucky with 3 big cases that mushroomed into a lot of referrals. Maybe lucky is unfair to me but you will understand.
1. 2 young ladies are referred to me by a bonding company friend. The brother in law of one has a federal drug case in middle Georgia. We work out a good result all things considered and the case never “expands” to include anyone else, which was very important for this family because they happen to be the major transporters of various goods from Mexico to Atlanta. Most of this I learned after the case was concluded. From that point forward I became their go-to attorney and she was the point person for so many referrals in Atlanta for other Mexicans with drug charges. It felt like it all happened overnight, but it also took work to turn good luck into good fortune.

2. Soon after I left the Fulton County DA’s office a defense attorney referred a murder case to me involving some local rapper. The defense attorney was an older guy and would not know rap music from tap dancing. But my classmate at Emory who practiced entertainment law said my client, whose name I won’t reveal because the case is well known, was with So-So Def Records was about to be a star. We ultimately got that case dismissed after 5 years and an appeal by the State. But his word in Atlanta meant a lot. He was from the ‘hood and he carried weight in what he said.

3. Also early in my solo career an up and coming Atlanta rapper (well known case so I can reveal), Gucci Mane had an assault case. The prosecutor on the case told me over lunch that he was offering a 2 year prison sentence, but would reduce his recommendation to 6 months but for the complete a**hole of a defense attorney that Gucci Mane had. A few weeks later a new attorney is hired who happened to be a friend of mine. The new attorney calls me and says Gucci Mane would take a 1 year deal but he did not know how to make it happen. I told the new attorney, ‘bring me on board and I will get him a 6 month deal’. I said I can’t tell you how but I will guarantee the result (Which as you know we never do). I was associated and we got him a 6 month sentence in the county jail. 2 weeks later we got his murder case dismissed as he 100% acted on self-defense, and the rest is history.

Lots of luck and lots of work. The big firms would have said no thanks to every single one of these cases. Good thing I was never an A student.
 
hoops156 said:
i agree w this. UM i wouldnt consider worth it. i tell people if you get inot a state law school end up there. UF, FIU, FSU etc are such a better value for the same level of job prospects.
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FIU also has been killing it with bar passage and teaching for the bar.

UM is still stuck in the stone ages at least when I was there.
 
McGahee2TheHouse said:
FIU also has been killing it with bar passage and teaching for the bar.

UM is still stuck in the stone ages at least when I was there.
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yeah they actually took the Barry Bar person years ago and have been destroying the results every year now. they also teach to pass the exam too which helps from what I heard. honestly, the best schools in state for a field so saturated esp in a state w not a lot of high end law (if that makes sense job prospects wise) are the state schools. cheap to free is better than possibly losing your ship at a private school and ending up in a mountain of debt
 
AtlAtty said:
I liked owning my own firm but as you noted, I got lucky with 3 big cases that mushroomed into a lot of referrals. Maybe lucky is unfair to me but you will understand.
1. 2 young ladies are referred to me by a bonding company friend. The brother in law of one has a federal drug case in middle Georgia. We work out a good result all things considered and the case never “expands” to include anyone else, which was very important for this family because they happen to be the major transporters of various goods from Mexico to Atlanta. Most of this I learned after the case was concluded. From that point forward I became their go-to attorney and she was the point person for so many referrals in Atlanta for other Mexicans with drug charges. It felt like it all happened overnight, but it also took work to turn good luck into good fortune.

2. Soon after I left the Fulton County DA’s office a defense attorney referred a murder case to me involving some local rapper. The defense attorney was an older guy and would not know rap music from tap dancing. But my classmate at Emory who practiced entertainment law said my client, whose name I won’t reveal because the case is well known, was with So-So Def Records was about to be a star. We ultimately got that case dismissed after 5 years and an appeal by the State. But his word in Atlanta meant a lot. He was from the ‘hood and he carried weight in what he said.

3. Also early in my solo career an up and coming Atlanta rapper (well known case so I can reveal), Gucci Mane had an assault case. The prosecutor on the case told me over lunch that he was offering a 2 year prison sentence, but would reduce his recommendation to 6 months but for the complete a**hole of a defense attorney that Gucci Mane had. A few weeks later a new attorney is hired who happened to be a friend of mine. The new attorney calls me and says Gucci Mane would take a 1 year deal but he did not know how to make it happen. I told the new attorney, ‘bring me on board and I will get him a 6 month deal’. I said I can’t tell you how but I will guarantee the result (Which as you know we never do). I was associated and we got him a 6 month sentence in the county jail. 2 weeks later we got his murder case dismissed as he 100% acted on self-defense, and the rest is history.

Lots of luck and lots of work. The big firms would have said no thanks to every single one of these cases. Good thing I was never an A student.
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a friend of a friend who went to John Marshall and then transferred to emory works at one of mid size firms in ATL in entertainment. ill dm you later to see if you maybe ran into him. he works w all the rappers basically
 
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We're up to 350 posts now. Have we gotten our Supreme Brief worked through yet? :adoration:
 
hoops156 said:
hes gotta survive dismissive motions before it even hits a jury. some of you guys need to stop watching law and order and other legal dramas lol. in civil, its like 1 percent at best that even end up seeing a jury
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That's even if it's a jury trial at all. The article quoted a legal expert who suspected it might be a declaratory action, for which there is no jury.

Also, while I'm sure Ruiz would want to be in state court, NCAA will likely move to federal if they can; and the jury pool in federal is a little better than state (which is worse for Ruiz).
 
AtlAtty said:
I liked owning my own firm but as you noted, I got lucky with 3 big cases that mushroomed into a lot of referrals. Maybe lucky is unfair to me but you will understand.
1. 2 young ladies are referred to me by a bonding company friend. The brother in law of one has a federal drug case in middle Georgia. We work out a good result all things considered and the case never “expands” to include anyone else, which was very important for this family because they happen to be the major transporters of various goods from Mexico to Atlanta. Most of this I learned after the case was concluded. From that point forward I became their go-to attorney and she was the point person for so many referrals in Atlanta for other Mexicans with drug charges. It felt like it all happened overnight, but it also took work to turn good luck into good fortune.

2. Soon after I left the Fulton County DA’s office a defense attorney referred a murder case to me involving some local rapper. The defense attorney was an older guy and would not know rap music from tap dancing. But my classmate at Emory who practiced entertainment law said my client, whose name I won’t reveal because the case is well known, was with So-So Def Records was about to be a star. We ultimately got that case dismissed after 5 years and an appeal by the State. But his word in Atlanta meant a lot. He was from the ‘hood and he carried weight in what he said.

3. Also early in my solo career an up and coming Atlanta rapper (well known case so I can reveal), Gucci Mane had an assault case. The prosecutor on the case told me over lunch that he was offering a 2 year prison sentence, but would reduce his recommendation to 6 months but for the complete a**hole of a defense attorney that Gucci Mane had. A few weeks later a new attorney is hired who happened to be a friend of mine. The new attorney calls me and says Gucci Mane would take a 1 year deal but he did not know how to make it happen. I told the new attorney, ‘bring me on board and I will get him a 6 month deal’. I said I can’t tell you how but I will guarantee the result (Which as you know we never do). I was associated and we got him a 6 month sentence in the county jail. 2 weeks later we got his murder case dismissed as he 100% acted on self-defense, and the rest is history.

Lots of luck and lots of work. The big firms would have said no thanks to every single one of these cases. Good thing I was never an A student.
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tons of respect, from one small law firm owner to another. it is a grind, but wouldn't have it any other way. the hard work pays off. congrats on your cases.
 
AlexCane said:
That's even if it's a jury trial at all. The article quoted a legal expert who suspected it might be a declaratory action, for which there is no jury.

Also, while I'm sure Ruiz would want to be in state court, NCAA will likely move to federal if they can; and the jury pool in federal is a little better than state (which is worse for Ruiz).
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ive seen so many attorneys file a breach of contract count w a dec action count 2 claiming they dont know if there was ever a contract. MFer you filed a breach as count 1 lol and then asking for determination whether a contract even existed in count 2? LOL. just a work around to avoid a PFS if the dec action holds up after a MTD
 
Empirical Cane said:
Here's the problem though...

if he doesn't file suit after this bluster...

😬😬😬😬
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“If he doesn’t file suit after this bluster”, what?

He has the prerogative of doing that, or not. Would not make any difference to me, or most people that are Miami fans one way or the other. If he doesn’t file, it’s because he wouldn’t think it’s advantageous at this time, or just wants to focus on something else. Not a big deal.
 
AlexCane said:
Also, while I'm sure Ruiz would want to be in state court, NCAA will likely move to federal if they can; and the jury pool in federal is a little better than state (which is worse for Ruiz).
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NCAA is in Indiana and I'd be shocked if the amount in controversy didn't exceed $75K, so I'd expect they'd remove if the case wasn't brought in federal court. As for the juror pools... yeah, there is a noticeable difference based on the below.

Federal juror pool: Pulled randomly from voter registration records.
State juror pool: Pulled randomly from Florida DMV records (including ID cards).
 
Atom Atlas said:
This is about the NCAA wanting any reason to pin something on Ruiz....
They want him out of the picture.... He's public enemy #1 in their eyes...
He's been poking for a fight with them since he came on the scene and it's driving them nuts...
The NCAA finally made a move towards him with the "dinner" thing and it gave Ruiz the opening he was looking for....
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I’m not absolving the NCAA of an agenda, but if the school wants to call foul, they need to site another example of a different school head coach facilitating a paid benefit.
 
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hoops156 said:
hes gotta survive dismissive motions before it even hits a jury. some of you guys need to stop watching law and order and other legal dramas lol. in civil, its like 1 percent at best that even end up seeing a jury
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This. But if it does go to a jury it better be in Miami and not Indianapolis or it's gonna be ugly!

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AtlAtty said:
I liked owning my own firm but as you noted, I got lucky with 3 big cases that mushroomed into a lot of referrals. Maybe lucky is unfair to me but you will understand.
1. 2 young ladies are referred to me by a bonding company friend. The brother in law of one has a federal drug case in middle Georgia. We work out a good result all things considered and the case never “expands” to include anyone else, which was very important for this family because they happen to be the major transporters of various goods from Mexico to Atlanta. Most of this I learned after the case was concluded. From that point forward I became their go-to attorney and she was the point person for so many referrals in Atlanta for other Mexicans with drug charges. It felt like it all happened overnight, but it also took work to turn good luck into good fortune.

2. Soon after I left the Fulton County DA’s office a defense attorney referred a murder case to me involving some local rapper. The defense attorney was an older guy and would not know rap music from tap dancing. But my classmate at Emory who practiced entertainment law said my client, whose name I won’t reveal because the case is well known, was with So-So Def Records was about to be a star. We ultimately got that case dismissed after 5 years and an appeal by the State. But his word in Atlanta meant a lot. He was from the ‘hood and he carried weight in what he said.

3. Also early in my solo career an up and coming Atlanta rapper (well known case so I can reveal), Gucci Mane had an assault case. The prosecutor on the case told me over lunch that he was offering a 2 year prison sentence, but would reduce his recommendation to 6 months but for the complete a**hole of a defense attorney that Gucci Mane had. A few weeks later a new attorney is hired who happened to be a friend of mine. The new attorney calls me and says Gucci Mane would take a 1 year deal but he did not know how to make it happen. I told the new attorney, ‘bring me on board and I will get him a 6 month deal’. I said I can’t tell you how but I will guarantee the result (Which as you know we never do). I was associated and we got him a 6 month sentence in the county jail. 2 weeks later we got his murder case dismissed as he 100% acted on self-defense, and the rest is history.

Lots of luck and lots of work. The big firms would have said no thanks to every single one of these cases. Good thing I was never an A student.
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I knew you sounded familiar.

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All I know is this....we have a million lawyer jokes (all bad), there is a Shakespeare quote about killing all the lawyers, and people in general think that most lawyers are shady hucksters......and then the lawyers turn into politicians and we vote for these people that we make jokes about and general mistrust,

Not ALL lawyers are bad, btw.
 
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