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I was just fact checking what you said. Its not that spread under center is not beneficial, its because it is not spread anymore, its single back, or I or pro-set. Spread is basically the are of spreading teams out with at least 3 wr on the field. Hence the term spread. I admit I am out of the coaching loop and terminology for football, which is why I googled it. When I player teams were still running wishbone, to wing T. Our school ran the I. At the time so did the U. Which is why I am so fond of it. I also think that its a very versatile offense with the right system in place. So, go ahead and laugh at my google reference, while I laugh at you thinking spread is run from under center....lol

You said our only good plays were from the spread, I challenged that with that same highlight tape you posted and said that some were from spread and some were not.

You said we did not get shut down in the red zone from the spread, that we scored easily. I showed you that of Waltons four TDs, only one was scored easily and from the spread. Two were with two TEs and the qb under center, and the other though from the spread, required our back to make an amazing play on his own. It was not like it was a great play call, or really well blocked. It was a great effort by #1 . Thats all I am saying. I get what your saying about us getting going in the spread. And I agree we did not do much out of the power I. We actually did our best in the single high with two TE sets. IMO. But I think its a mix of all of those things that helps make it all work.
 
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I also do not think we would have much success if all we did was play the spread. Our Oline is not good enough, there are times when we just need to send a couple of guys out on a route and expect them to beat coverage. Again, last year we were predominately a spread team, and we could NOT move the ball in the red zone. Most spreads that do really well in the red zone have a quarterback that can run, we do not have that in BK.
 
frostycane said:
I was just fact checking what you said. Its not that spread under center is not beneficial, its because it is not spread anymore, its single back, or I or pro-set. Spread is basically the are of spreading teams out with at least 3 wr on the field. Hence the term spread. I admit I am out of the coaching loop and terminology for football, which is why I googled it. When I player teams were still running wishbone, to wing T. Our school ran the I. At the time so did the U. Which is why I am so fond of it. I also think that its a very versatile offense with the right system in place. So, go ahead and laugh at my google reference, while I laugh at you thinking spread is run from under center....lol

You said our only good plays were from the spread, I challenged that with that same highlight tape you posted and said that some were from spread and some were not.

You said we did not get shut down in the red zone from the spread, that we scored easily. I showed you that of Waltons four TDs, only one was scored easily and from the spread. Two were with two TEs and the qb under center, and the other though from the spread, required our back to make an amazing play on his own. It was not like it was a great play call, or really well blocked. It was a great effort by #1 . Thats all I am saying. I get what your saying about us getting going in the spread. And I agree we did not do much out of the power I. We actually did our best in the single high with two TE sets. IMO. But I think its a mix of all of those things that helps make it all work.
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Any form of 10 personnel is SPREAD, whether it's under center, shotgun or pistol.

You actually think a QB stepping 5 yards back/forward dictates whether it's spread or not?

I don't understand MF's like you. You admit that you're out of the "out of the loop" but then turn around and try to tell A COACH what the spread is. SMH LOL

You're wrong bro. Just eat it.

10 personnel = spread

Doesn't matter where the QB takes the snap from.
 
frostycane said:
I also do not think we would have much success if all we did was play the spread. Our Oline is not good enough, there are times when we just need to send a couple of guys out on a route and expect them to beat coverage. Again, last year we were predominately a spread team, and we could NOT move the ball in the red zone. Most spreads that do really well in the red zone have a quarterback that can run, we do not have that in BK.
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Against FAU we scored...in the redzone...from the spread.

As far as the O-line is concerned...you need a much more talented O-line is the I-formation when you're attempting to run into 8 and 9 man boxes. We're successful running out of the spread because our O-line isn't built for the pro. We are not good enough to run into 8/9 man boxes.
 
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Spread = spreading out the formation

If a team has 4 WR's then they're offense is spread out, whether they're in the gun or not.

You're "spreading" the defense out. Getting defenders out of the box and/or gaining leverage on the perimeter.

Trips + shotgun = spread
But trips + under center = different offense?

What?! LOL
 
Spread means exactly what it's name implies. Spread out the defense from sideline to sideline. If you put a 5 WR formation in the game with WRs spread to the numbers on both sidelines, that is a spread formation. Regardless of whether you put the QB in shotgun or undercenter.
 
Funny, ok well now we know what a spread is. However 2 of the **** 4 tds were with one back and two TEs on the field so NO we didn't only have success in the spread because by your own definition we weren't in a spread formation. I only told you you were wrong when you said there is no benefit to be under center in the spread and when googled, clicked on images, there were exactly zero teams with the quarterback under center. When I was playing and we went to three WR and one back we didn't call it spread we called it three wide.

So using facts did we actually run the ball well in the ref zone out of the spread? In any game from this yr or last for that matter? NOPE.
 
And again one of the tds from the spreading required an amazing effort by the end. I never said we didn't score, but it was not all of them that's for sure. You were right about your supposed definition of a spread, but your assessment and reading comprehension regarding the conversation about our teams actual success in predominantly running the spread is not as good. Sure we scored in the spread against that dominant FAU defense. Power 5 teams shut us down and we do and will need the added blockers when we get in those games.
 
You don't see a lot of under-center spread because there's no benefit to it. Can't run read/option effectively, can't run RPO's effectively, etc.

I didn't say that we could only succeed in the spread, I said that we were MORE SUCCESSFUL. Go watch the game again and look for yourself.

When we went spread and were running RPO's we were killing FAU's defense. We marched right down the field.
 
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teddywestside said:
Spread means exactly what it's name implies. Spread out the defense from sideline to sideline. If you put a 5 WR formation in the game with WRs spread to the numbers on both sidelines, that is a spread formation. Regardless of whether you put the QB in shotgun or undercenter.
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Self explanatory, right?
 
PRO
35 plays for a total of 216 yards = 6.17 yards per play
21 runs for a total of 115 yard = 5.4 yards per carry
1 Touchdown

SPREAD
33 plays for a total of 240 yards = 7.27 yards per play
16 runs for a total of 148 yards = 9.25 yards per carry
4 Touchdowns
 
Coach Macho said:
PRO
35 plays for a total of 216 yards = 6.17 yards per play
21 runs for a total of 115 yard = 5.4 yards per carry
1 Touchdown

SPREAD
33 plays for a total of 240 yards = 7.27 yards per play
16 runs for a total of 148 yards = 9.25 yards per carry
4 Touchdowns
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I called for your return from that unjust exile but more context is needed for those numbers. Down and distance? Quarter?

I agree with the general idea that spread is best with our type of player but wouldn't you agree that context matter? CMR's play-calling in the second half against FAU was infallible. He created an advantage and pressed it.

My expectation for ASU is for CMR to spread them out and slice and dice them. But, I think that if that strategy doesn't work, CMR will change it up and not stay married to one specific strategy.
 
Gransapo said:
Coach Macho said:
PRO
35 plays for a total of 216 yards = 6.17 yards per play
21 runs for a total of 115 yard = 5.4 yards per carry
1 Touchdown

SPREAD
33 plays for a total of 240 yards = 7.27 yards per play
16 runs for a total of 148 yards = 9.25 yards per carry
4 Touchdowns
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I called for your return from that unjust exile but more context is needed for those numbers. Down and distance? Quarter?

I agree with the general idea that spread is best with our type of player but wouldn't you agree that context matter? CMR's play-calling in the second half against FAU was infallible. He created an advantage and pressed it.

My expectation for ASU is for CMR to spread them out and slice and dice them. But, I think that if that strategy doesn't work, CMR will change it up and not stay married to one specific strategy.
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That's asking too much bro. LOL

I don't know if that's necessarily needed to validate what I'm trying to say anyway. If it helps though, I noticed that we had more success running the ball out of the Pro later in the game. (4th quarter) It seems like we used the spread to help get us going earlier in the game when we were struggling. (and it did)
 
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Coach Macho said:
Gransapo said:
Coach Macho said:
PRO
35 plays for a total of 216 yards = 6.17 yards per play
21 runs for a total of 115 yard = 5.4 yards per carry
1 Touchdown

SPREAD
33 plays for a total of 240 yards = 7.27 yards per play
16 runs for a total of 148 yards = 9.25 yards per carry
4 Touchdowns
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I called for your return from that unjust exile but more context is needed for those numbers. Down and distance? Quarter?

I agree with the general idea that spread is best with our type of player but wouldn't you agree that context matter? CMR's play-calling in the second half against FAU was infallible. He created an advantage and pressed it.

My expectation for ASU is for CMR to spread them out and slice and dice them. But, I think that if that strategy doesn't work, CMR will change it up and not stay married to one specific strategy.
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That's asking too much bro. LOL

I don't know if that's necessarily needed to validate what I'm trying to say anyway. If it helps though, I noticed that we had more success running the ball out of the Pro later in the game. (4th quarter) It seems like we used the spread to help get us going earlier in the game when we were struggling. (and it did)
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This article is about the Patriots not changing their offense for Garoppolo but it illustrates how the Canes could use the spread to take advantage of their speed.

Imagine these concepts:

ne pats.webp

Run against this defense:

space app 3.webp

My goodness
 
And basically all I am saying is running just spread does not always work out for us. You have been saying we should just be a spread team. I countered with last yr we were a spread team and it resulted in terrible red zone offense. Which is why you see so much two TE stuff now.

My other point was if you have two TEs on the field and your under center that is not spread. And that two of our YFs were from under center with two TEs. And only one from spread was an easy score. So in actuality only 25% of waltons scores were both easy yards and from the spread. Which supports my theory that we are not awesome from the spread in the red zone.

This team has run mostly spread the last two years and we can't convert on 3rd don or in the red zone to save our lives. Which is why I like the pro set or I formation. They allow your play action to mean something. Out of the spread they know we aren't going to let the whole keep it, and running close to the goal line in spread leaves you under manned.

Not saying that we are not effective from the spread just not saying we should only be a spread team.
 
HurricaneAce07 said:
This. They have kept things very simple in these first two weeks. I expect to see the playbook open up against App State next weekend. They are much better team with solid coaching.
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good news: play calling will be more dynamic

bad news: Kaaya can't hit the broadside of a barn from 10 yards out running the "basic" plays.
 
Corch, croot, and porster heads will explode in 5...4...3...2...1...boom shakalaka

In today's game (at NFL and D1P5 levels), flexibility is the key victory. Teams establish O and D identities (i.e. team x runs pro-style O with a 4-3 base D, team y runs a spread O with a 3-4 base D, etc.), but they now they have to switch between multiple styles to address the situation almost play by play at times.

Richt the HC/OC is a proven high performance combination...Richt the HC/CEO is not. What we clearly have through first two contests is Richt the HC/OC.

Battle plans, game plans, business plans...they all share one thematic thread: exploiting the capabilities gaps of the enemy (competition) with the capabilities your organization brings to bear. Its that simple...yet so hard for so many to craft and execute.

Thats not a problem for Richt the HC/OC. The FAMU game was a wash...lets face it...any good Dade or Broward HS team could face FAMU and likely not get blown out...even STA might take them even into 3Q/4Q.

FAU presented a tougher challenge, and Richt the HC/OC shined...he performed in the way of expectation at his hiring.

Kaaya misfiring on throws along with receivers dropping balls? No problem..no panic...adjust the capability moving from more vertical attack to RPO short attack on the ground and in tje air...surprise...surprise...Canes start rolling because FAUs D could not adjust effectively to the new capability coming their way. Furthermore, they [FAU] couldnt present any overwhelming capabilities the Canes D couldnt handle. Even on the TD run, when you look.at the film, their were x3 significant breakdowns in the Canes tackling...not the RB being elusive or outrunning anyone. While that is going to happen for sure, with this Canes D...it is far from a routine event...its in facy so far a very rare event.

What capabilities does App St bring that the Canes dont have an answer for? When Canes on O, they arent really giving up.any (or very little) speed OL vs DL (especially with road grader Williams) and they [Canes] have a distinct size advantage. WR/RBs vs App's LB/DBs...cmon...no question there is a speed advantage Miami. The x factor is Kaaya. Can he find a grove and make the throws in tje vertical game? If not, we know he can make the short game RPO handoffs amd.throws. Either way, App.St is likely NOT TO be able to handle either O capability from tje Canes, let alone both. ADVANTAGE MIAMI.

On Canes D, they will.face a D1P5 back..and a very good one at that...Cox. He is really App's only consistent capability on O. So long as they [Canes D] bottle him up or slow him.for.gang tackles, App should have a tough time consistently moving the ball without a catastrophic breakdown on a given play...just like Tenn DE fallimg down and Cox scored from.30yds out. And all tjat is just in Canes 4-3 base...they still have the 4-2-5 to fall.back on if need be...again...ADVANTAGE MIAMI.

Everything on paper points to a Canes victory...just too many capabilities for App St to.handle...

Go Canes. Unleash ****.
 
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