UMercury21
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so basically what every new HC at any program tries to do. got it.
100% agree.Not asking them to publicly **** on the guy. That doesn’t help recruiting.
But I would like to see more focus on how things are being fixed, instead of just saying everything is fine but I need more time.
Better than KC Jones??Romberg was a BEAST like no other ever in Cane history at center.
I’m not sure how many here remember this creature a pure animal at center.
LISTEN TO HIM
GOCANES
Devils advocate to my own take... he has recruited HS talent at a level that most programs don't do outside of the first year bump class and when they win 10+ games. That's usually why they can't get over the hump. Also, he's reloaded OL and DL - usually the hardest area to get up to par to compete at that level.Yup. We are already into statistical outlier territory. He has a worse winning % across his first 25 games than any championship coach in the BCS+playoff era. Including Dabo, Fulmer, Mack Brown, Chizik, and Orgeron. In fact, it’s not close. Most of them won double digit games by year 2. At least 9 wins in one of the first 2 seasons. We are going to need a Hail Mary
And even with Dabo his first two full seasons (not counting 2008 bc he was interim coach) he was 15-12, still above. 500.If there's any comparison to be made for a coach that actually ends up winning it all but also limps through his first 2 years..
There's only 1 - Dabo Swinney.... and he only did it with 2 generational, Heisman caliber, college QBs. Something I would put good money on that Mario will never have here. He's 3 years in, doesn't have one, hasn't had one, and doesn't appear to be one on the horizon. I'd be shocked if he even holds on to Nickel and he's not in the Watson or Lawrence stratosphere.
Before Dabo did it I remember Fulmer was mediocre for a couple years and ended up winning one. That's basically it back to the 90s. Beyond that.. not a ton to look forward to unless you think Mario can literally rewrite modern day football history.
Harbaugh, Smart, Saban, etc. are not even remotely comparable. I think Mario wants to be like Kirby Smart - dominate HS recruiting, win with OL and defense and not even have or need a star QB or NFL WRs.
If there's any comparison to be made for a coach that actually ends up winning it all but also limps through his first 2 years..
There's only 1 - Dabo Swinney.... and he only did it with 2 generational, Heisman caliber, college QBs. Something I would put good money on that Mario will never have here. He's 3 years in, doesn't have one, hasn't had one, and doesn't appear to be one on the horizon. I'd be shocked if he even holds on to Nickel and he's not in the Watson or Lawrence stratosphere.
Before Dabo did it I remember Fulmer was mediocre for a couple years and ended up winning one. That's basically it back to the 90s. Beyond that.. not a ton to look forward to unless you think Mario can literally rewrite modern day football history.
Harbaugh, Smart, Saban, etc. are not even remotely comparable. I think Mario wants to be like Kirby Smart - dominate HS recruiting, win with OL and defense and not even have or need a star QB or NFL WRs.
I attribute a lot of that to him having CJ Spiller and Jacoby Ford. That's one of the most lethal speed and playmaking duos of all time.And even with Dabo his first two full seasons (not counting 2008 bc he was interim coach) he was 15-12, still above. 500.
He recruits a level or two above Dabo.If there's any comparison to be made for a coach that actually ends up winning it all but also limps through his first 2 years..
There's only 1 - Dabo Swinney.... and he only did it with 2 generational, Heisman caliber, college QBs. Something I would put good money on that Mario will never have here. He's 3 years in, doesn't have one, hasn't had one, and doesn't appear to be one on the horizon. I'd be shocked if he even holds on to Nickel and he's not in the Watson or Lawrence stratosphere.
Before Dabo did it I remember Fulmer was mediocre for a couple years and ended up winning one. That's basically it back to the 90s. Beyond that.. not a ton to look forward to unless you think Mario can literally rewrite modern day football history.
Harbaugh, Smart, Saban, etc. are not even remotely comparable. I think Mario wants to be like Kirby Smart - dominate HS recruiting, win with OL and defense and not even have or need a star QB or NFL WRs.
Plus, he built Stanford into a respectable program and nearly won a Super Bowl while in SF. Harbaugh had a pattern of success. I've yet to see Mario replicate anything near that.Harbaugh had two top 12 finishes, went 4-4 against top 25 teams and was 20-6 in his first 26 games. This is such a foolish comparison
I question the overall offensive philosophy versus our TE coach. But that could be just me.It wont happen with guys like Addae and our TE coach being other weak links. TE's have taken a step back and become a non existent factor.
couldnt have said it better myself.Devils advocate to my own take... he has recruited HS talent at a level that most programs don't do outside of the first year bump class and when they win 10+ games. That's usually why they can't get over the hump. Also, he's reloaded OL and DL - usually the hardest area to get up to par to compete at that level.
I'm already skeptical but year 3 will be more telling. Less than 9 wins and I'll take the check to the bank that he'll never do anything here. There are basically 0 Manny holdovers left. His guys, his culture, his system. Some of the Manny guys left over are all starters and arguably top 10 players on the team... Restrepo, George, Rivers, Harrison-Hunte.
Yup. Once it's a Miami guy, the homer shades come on.Pretty sure we've heard this about every coach, going all the way back to Shannon. You're not going to see Miami people publicly sh*t on one of their own.
As a consultant? No…hire him as our HC. That man coaches circles around Mario, and can also recruit.Hire Pete Carroll as a consultant?
Now that the Seahawks part ways with him.
Clemson's classes are lower rated because they're small. They never lose guys to attrition and take 15-20 per year.He recruits a level or two above Dabo.
I would agree, but I don't see Pete wanting to spending his time coaching College (portal and all).As a consultant? No…hire him as our HC. That man coaches circles around Mario, and can also recruit.